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on31ll
Seen thia on news before think it is the worst ever ! Think the scumbags should be put to death !
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mcniven
Poor poor bloke, I feel for his family now.
This country is a mess at time, and by the sounds of it and reports on sky news they attackers are not even British. They even shouted things as they did it.
**** them, I hope they get bummed hard in prison and raped and beaten up every day the dirty pricks.
This country is a mess at time, and by the sounds of it and reports on sky news they attackers are not even British. They even shouted things as they did it.
**** them, I hope they get bummed hard in prison and raped and beaten up every day the dirty pricks.
I don't understand what is wrong with these people. Looks as if the guy was attacked purely because he was a British soldier, which is very worrying. Its just a shame they weren't killed when the police shot them, there is no place for people like that.
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Barry98
It's attacks like this that stopped us been allowed to wear our uniform with pride in public in the 80/90s
I recall being told in '94 or '95 that uniforms could be worn in public again as the IRA were no longer a threat. Still had to check the boot and under cars for bombs before allowing them into barracks though.
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diamondgas
Sick to the stomach at the thought that people think that this act is justifiable in any way shape or form. It has 'jack' to do with any religion. I pray that their God forgives them for their misguided and alienated beliefs .... God be with the relatives, friends and family of those now thrown into remorse.....! *SIGH*
When will people start living together as one nation united in one goal of tolerance, peace and, dare I say it, Love for each other!!!!
When will people start living together as one nation united in one goal of tolerance, peace and, dare I say it, Love for each other!!!!
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Dotty
Please don't tar all Moslems with the same brush. My friend and his family, who I mentioned briefly in the curry thread, are devout Moslems and very religious. They are extremely distressed at the actions carried out in the name of their religion.
And speak out against these actions regularly.
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on31ll
Its discusting ! Everybody saying hes a cockney etc but he says "im sorry woman had to see this but in our country woman see this everyday"
it makes me sick ! If i went to walk into a mosque id be battered ! But if they went to walk into a church they could ! If they shot him thats totally different to slaughtering this soldier thats ehat they did ! They slaughtered him ! There ****ing scum
think that winds me up is that we shot them now we have to pay through pur taxes on NHS to patch them up ! Just give me a hammer and my blow lamp and an room with one of them for 40 mins !
it makes me sick ! If i went to walk into a mosque id be battered ! But if they went to walk into a church they could ! If they shot him thats totally different to slaughtering this soldier thats ehat they did ! They slaughtered him ! There ****ing scum
think that winds me up is that we shot them now we have to pay through pur taxes on NHS to patch them up ! Just give me a hammer and my blow lamp and an room with one of them for 40 mins !
You would be welcomed in any mosque, most Muslims are peaceful normal people these scum are nothing to do with religion and in the minority amongst there own.
i have spent alot of time in asia lording it up and these sort of killings are frequent in certain parts , and they governments deal with these sort of problems by issuing blanket passport bans fromn certain countries and on occasions they cull the homegrown ones believe it or not !!
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on31ll
I was working maintainence for eastate agent. One man was goin on saying how he stays away from many members in the mask they bring shame etc he said they wouldnt let a english person in ! And even if there english and convert to islam they have to "prove" themselves !
I like the prime minister for australia ! She has great views ! Not to harsh but shes told them all either learn the way and have your religion without changing aus people or get out !
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on31ll
Yer they cull there own we cant cull a thing in the uk ! Are we even allowed to cull badgers now ?
don't hear of many muslims condemming these type of killings but there would be riots if some of they're own got killed by any right wing group, the majority might be peaceful but they despise our so called decadent lifestyle. religion sucks it's the biggest cause of wars and causes so much loss of life its ridiculous when you think its allover something that doesn't even exist!
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on31ll
Oh no they wouldnt condem it ! Can you just imagine goin over there shouting at there army that there murderers and then spitting in a soldier face ?
If i even planned to build a church in most of there countries they would try to behead me ! Its a disgrace ! They way they killed the lad is terrible !
It ****es me off that this young soldier died in fear walking round the corner from the barracks ! But even if we beheaded the people who did it because there so deep in beliefs they wouldnt even be in fear !
If i even planned to build a church in most of there countries they would try to behead me ! Its a disgrace ! They way they killed the lad is terrible !
It ****es me off that this young soldier died in fear walking round the corner from the barracks ! But even if we beheaded the people who did it because there so deep in beliefs they wouldnt even be in fear !
The majority of muslims are fine, but these muslim extremists and bloody nutters. I don't understand why we let them protest on the street saying how much they hate Britain and telling us all that we will burn in hell etc. No other country would actively let people walk the streets preaching hatred of the country they are in, we are too tolerant and a soft touch. We let these people burn our flags, turn up at funeral processions of our war heroes to celebrate the fact they are dead. It is disgusting what we allow people to get away with, can you imagine Christians turning up to an Islamic country and being allowed the same freedom of speech/provocation?
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on31ll
Over there youd get beheaded over here we have to pay for them to go to prision and a extra cushy one because they will get picked on
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Resolute
It's easy to say that we wouldn't be allowed to practice our beliefs in a Islamic state etc. it's true but but freedom is part of what makes Britain Great. Unfortunately we do tolerate too much and tied up with too much bureaucratic red tape.
What makes it worse is that all the bystanders decided to film it on phones rather then rip the the Gil perpetrators limb from limb.
There is no place in society (ours or any others) for people like this and it will cost the UK taxpayer millions to keep them safe whilst they serve time in jail. We need to wake up and realise that there is no chance of rehabilitation for people like this and bring back capital punishment.
What makes it worse is that all the bystanders decided to film it on phones rather then rip the the Gil perpetrators limb from limb.
There is no place in society (ours or any others) for people like this and it will cost the UK taxpayer millions to keep them safe whilst they serve time in jail. We need to wake up and realise that there is no chance of rehabilitation for people like this and bring back capital punishment.
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on31ll
But i dont think freedom is what makes this country great ! Infact i dont think this country is too great the state its in ! It doesnt go againest my freedom to knock immigration on the head ! Its not againest my freedom if the commit a crime send them back home !
What is againest my freedom is them changing the way i like b there was a kick up around my area about 2 years ago saying muslims where complaining about christmas decorations ! Ha ha that is my freedom ! Its my country ! Were not free ! I cant go into the road and shout anything i want
What is againest my freedom is them changing the way i like b there was a kick up around my area about 2 years ago saying muslims where complaining about christmas decorations ! Ha ha that is my freedom ! Its my country ! Were not free ! I cant go into the road and shout anything i want
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on31ll
Bring back death penalty ! Look at the killer for tia sharp ! That young girl killed by a man who lived with her nan ! Hidden in her nans loft. And he wont tell the police or family what he actually did or how he killed her or why ! He even pleaded on tv !
Tia sharps dad is trying to get death penelty back ! And i would happily sign the petition !
Tia sharps dad is trying to get death penelty back ! And i would happily sign the petition !
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Resolute
Your right, our freedom is being restricted as we tolerate others but they do not respect us.
However, would you rather live in a country where there is no freedom. Where women and children are treated as objects and are often subjected to rape and assaults?
Don't get me wrong, I'm trying to defend anyone. This type of extremism cannot be tolerated and there is no place in society for it and too many do-gooders will not allow capital punishment back for this type of behaviour.
However, would you rather live in a country where there is no freedom. Where women and children are treated as objects and are often subjected to rape and assaults?
Don't get me wrong, I'm trying to defend anyone. This type of extremism cannot be tolerated and there is no place in society for it and too many do-gooders will not allow capital punishment back for this type of behaviour.
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Billy Bob Bob
No excuse for not allowing the death penalty (testicles in boiling water followed by being driven over with a steam roller from the feet up at approx 0.5mph) for this type of crime. There is no possibility of them having the wrong person for the crime.
The more we let these type of crimes continue, and allow idiots to stay in the country and avoid deportation because of eu human rights loop holes etc, the more we will become a racist society. In the end it will lead to civil war.
The more we let these type of crimes continue, and allow idiots to stay in the country and avoid deportation because of eu human rights loop holes etc, the more we will become a racist society. In the end it will lead to civil war.
I hope this doesn't blow up, i have friends who are Muslim and also friends from other religions .
I feel sorry the minority brand the majority.
Personally i think there should be the death penalty and harsher sentances.
My friend was killed by a woman texting on her phone in a 4x4 as he crossed a zebra.
she got 7 years and has just been released after 3!
where is the justice in that ?
rapists and killers usually serve half their time now and are back on the street.
I admit this country is very very well cared for but people smile in court now when they get 7 years, they know they will be out in 3.
They wouldent be smiling when that hammer hits and off to death row now would they.
I feel for that poor soldier so much, i think he would have died happy fighting for his country in afgan.
Not run down in his countrys capital and hacked up to make a statement.
I feel sorry the minority brand the majority.
Personally i think there should be the death penalty and harsher sentances.
My friend was killed by a woman texting on her phone in a 4x4 as he crossed a zebra.
she got 7 years and has just been released after 3!
where is the justice in that ?
rapists and killers usually serve half their time now and are back on the street.
I admit this country is very very well cared for but people smile in court now when they get 7 years, they know they will be out in 3.
They wouldent be smiling when that hammer hits and off to death row now would they.
I feel for that poor soldier so much, i think he would have died happy fighting for his country in afgan.
Not run down in his countrys capital and hacked up to make a statement.
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on31ll
No i wouldnt want to live in a country without freedom but we are not free ! As saod we are restricted by others coming into this country ! Just seen a video from that girl that makes documentries and shes gone back to luton and all the muslims walking the streeta protesting shouting police go to hell !
If you disrespect a soldier a policeman or anyone with power ypu should be punished ! If you spat at a soldier in northern ireland back in the day theyd smash your head in !
Im all for english jobs for english people ! And if you come to the country ypu may have your own belief but you cant take over ! You cant change everyone else pr the country ! There are rules !
If you disrespect a soldier a policeman or anyone with power ypu should be punished ! If you spat at a soldier in northern ireland back in the day theyd smash your head in !
Im all for english jobs for english people ! And if you come to the country ypu may have your own belief but you cant take over ! You cant change everyone else pr the country ! There are rules !
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on31ll
course it is
give it a week
This country has been failed by poor politicians out for their own political gain
Reading these comments I realise just how liberal I am. Theses events where shocking but let's not confuse 2 nut jobs with 60 million odd Muslims. I like to think we live in a free(ish) country where anybody can air there views regardless of who it offends! Imagine loving in North Korea for example!
I have a wide range of friends Muslim black chinesse gay I'd hate it if they had to suffer for prejudice brought on by two people terrible actions.
Hitler lost the war the facists where defeated lads lets keep it that way.
I have a wide range of friends Muslim black chinesse gay I'd hate it if they had to suffer for prejudice brought on by two people terrible actions.
Hitler lost the war the facists where defeated lads lets keep it that way.
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R1CKY
The death penalty should NOT come back. No human being has the power to decide who lives and dies. What should happen is that life sentences should be just that, LIFE, they should die in prison. The Government need to pull their fingers out of their arses and start deporting these radical preachers and seriously tighten up on immigration. They should take note of Australia and only let those in who have something to offer the country!
I feel sorry for the Muslim population in this country, they are a peaceful race and these extremists are just hiding behind it. I'm growing increasingly fed up with this country and I'm seriously thinking about leaving.
I feel sorry for the Muslim population in this country, they are a peaceful race and these extremists are just hiding behind it. I'm growing increasingly fed up with this country and I'm seriously thinking about leaving.
Hitler started a war, lets not confuse that with patriotism or sticking up for your own human rights. Multi culture society's are flawed by religious extremism at the moment on both sides of the fence. We are typically territorial beings like everything else on the planet, so why attempt to push for something that is so un-natural.
It's simple, if we can live together peacefully then fine. I we can't then split up or there will be blood spilt. That applies for every country in the world but NOT excluding our own,we seem to be the only one forced to bite own tongue and get on with it.
We are talking in some instances about people coming from mud huts and murder being a way of life for survival, to being expected to live in a massive city and do as your told, its not going to happen, and I'm not being racist, its fact.
i'm sick and tired about hearing how someone who's originates from half way around the world is not being allowed to express the human rights or opinions when it has a direct adverse effect on everyone else's quality of life. National health service is a prime example, pushed to the max because of an increased head count ( amongst other things )
and before anyone accuses me of being a racist, zip it. I don't hate the race, I hate the criminal activity you bring to this country. Keep your head down and pay your way and I've no problem whatsoever.
It's simple, if we can live together peacefully then fine. I we can't then split up or there will be blood spilt. That applies for every country in the world but NOT excluding our own,we seem to be the only one forced to bite own tongue and get on with it.
We are talking in some instances about people coming from mud huts and murder being a way of life for survival, to being expected to live in a massive city and do as your told, its not going to happen, and I'm not being racist, its fact.
i'm sick and tired about hearing how someone who's originates from half way around the world is not being allowed to express the human rights or opinions when it has a direct adverse effect on everyone else's quality of life. National health service is a prime example, pushed to the max because of an increased head count ( amongst other things )
and before anyone accuses me of being a racist, zip it. I don't hate the race, I hate the criminal activity you bring to this country. Keep your head down and pay your way and I've no problem whatsoever.
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Masood
For what it's worth, guys, the vast majority of Muslims are shocked, horrified and heartbroken at the rise of Islamic extremism. I'm not a practising Muslim, haven't been for a very long time, but my whole family and community are still pretty devout.
Let's be absolutely clear about one thing. These animals are NOT Muslim. Nothing in the Qur'an, or the teachings of the Prophet encourage or condone the targeting of innocents, nor this form of vile behaviour.
But let's also be clear - extreme violence is not restricted to those who carry it out in the name of Islam. Japanese POW camps, Nazi concentration camps, kneecappings in Ireland, "Bolivian neckties", "Soweto necklaces", "special interrogation" in Guantanamo... the list is long and pretty f*&%ing horrendous.
My point is, no matter how angry this makes you, no matter how ghastly the actions of these animals, please don't let them win. As soon as people start feeling hatred towards a whole section of the population, they have won. They have got inside your head and planted the seeds of hatred and conflict. And that is what they want. Let's condemn the perpetrators, not whole sections of the community, who are as much the victims of this as you are. There will be repercussions, and a backlash. And those who will suffer those consequences will not be the cowardly *******s who crawl out of their sewer to do this kind of thing, but the innocents who get wrongly tarred with the same brush...
Peace..
Masood
Let's be absolutely clear about one thing. These animals are NOT Muslim. Nothing in the Qur'an, or the teachings of the Prophet encourage or condone the targeting of innocents, nor this form of vile behaviour.
But let's also be clear - extreme violence is not restricted to those who carry it out in the name of Islam. Japanese POW camps, Nazi concentration camps, kneecappings in Ireland, "Bolivian neckties", "Soweto necklaces", "special interrogation" in Guantanamo... the list is long and pretty f*&%ing horrendous.
My point is, no matter how angry this makes you, no matter how ghastly the actions of these animals, please don't let them win. As soon as people start feeling hatred towards a whole section of the population, they have won. They have got inside your head and planted the seeds of hatred and conflict. And that is what they want. Let's condemn the perpetrators, not whole sections of the community, who are as much the victims of this as you are. There will be repercussions, and a backlash. And those who will suffer those consequences will not be the cowardly *******s who crawl out of their sewer to do this kind of thing, but the innocents who get wrongly tarred with the same brush...
Peace..
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secret squirrel
I agree with you 100%, as angry as I am a knee jerk reaction is not the right thing.
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secret squirrel
Unfortunately, not every police officer is armed therefore they need to wait for an armed response team which can be traveling quite some distance, sad but true.
if you use that philosophy then what gives one human the right to imprison another for their entire life? The decision is made by the culprit as soon as they decide to carry out an act such as this, theyve only got themselves to blame. Your only entitled the same rights of the victim, an eye for an eye and all that.
I agree masood , but bar a few uneducated or racist extremists ( as said before on both sides of the fence) most people will too.
I'd feel the same if it were a Brit murdering another human from different ethnic origin. In fact in this instance it would seem like the perpertrator had lived in the uk for some time (long enough to pick up the local accent) so I'm not assuming this man has come into the uk to practice this crime.
The point I was making above was that we are openly letting criminals through the borders with little power to stop them.
Youve got to want to kill first, then use a religious belief to excuse from the act.
I'd feel the same if it were a Brit murdering another human from different ethnic origin. In fact in this instance it would seem like the perpertrator had lived in the uk for some time (long enough to pick up the local accent) so I'm not assuming this man has come into the uk to practice this crime.
The point I was making above was that we are openly letting criminals through the borders with little power to stop them.
Youve got to want to kill first, then use a religious belief to excuse from the act.
The animals responsible for this will end up in prison for many years, each costing the tax-payer around £40k per year. To me, with DNA forensics being able to 100% accurately prove someone was at the scene of a crime and/or holding the murder weapon etc there's no realistic argument against the death penalty imo.
This country is far far too soft.
This country is far far too soft.
Just set up a Facebook page to see how far my idea goes. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Back-The-Death-Penalty/196062600543264?ref=ts&fref=ts . If, like me, you believe the UK should bring back the death penalty for murder then please like the page and mention it to friends and family. If it does go viral then maybe we can petition government to bring it back 🙂
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Veggie Dave
I'm just so glad there aren't any white christians going around killing people for religious reasons, political reasons or just for fun...
I believe those are the exact words one of the two nutjobs in Woolwich used, too.
I believe those are the exact words one of the two nutjobs in Woolwich used, too.
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Veggie Dave
[h=2]hy·poc·ri·sy[/h] [hi-pok-ruh-see] Show IPA
noun, plural hy·poc·ri·sies. 1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
2. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
3. an act or instance of hypocrisy.
Origin:
1175–1225; Middle English ipocrisie < Old French < Late Latin hypocrisis < Greek hypókrisis play acting, equivalent to hypokrī́ ( nesthai ) to play a part, explain ( hypo- hypo- + krī́nein to distinguish, separate) + -sis -sis; h- (reintroduced in 16th century)
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Veggie Dave
Ah, I was right:
Woolwich attack: terrorist proclaimed 'an eye for an eye' after attack - Telegraph
Which brings us back to hypocrisy...
Woolwich attack: terrorist proclaimed 'an eye for an eye' after attack - Telegraph
Which brings us back to hypocrisy...
LOL so you think we should pay £40k a year to keep people in prison who kill in cold blood like this??
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R1CKY
Because imprisoning someone as a punishment and to protect innocent people from a dangerous person is on a whole different scale to killing someone. What gives one human being the right to kill another? Not to mention people being falsely accused of crimes, you can release someone from prison, but you can't un-kill someone. You do know the end of that saying? An eye for an eye and soon the world will be blind.
I'm quite happy for my tax to be spent keeping dangerous criminal behind bars.
You may want to have a read of this, seems it costs a considerable amount of money to kill someone too.
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Ray Stafford
I'm with you on this one Ricky.
I'm not squeamish, and if the armed police had shot these people dead, I wouldn't have turned a hair, and I don't give a monkeys if a householder kills a burglar they discover in their house.
But there is a difference between police (or an armed householder) killing in self defence or defence of others, and the state coldly and calculatingly killing someone, even lowlife scum like this.
I like to think that I am better than these people, my friends and neighbours are better than them, and the society I live in is better than them. If the price of proving that is that we spend money keeping them alive in jail, then thats a price I am prepared to pay.
I also remember several cases where supposed criminals were found guilty "beyond reasonable doubt" of what would be capital crimes, and subsequently turned out to be innocent. As you correctly point out, you can release someone from prison, but you can't un-execute them.
The fact that this human in question took someone else's life, in this case undeniably. He now has no rights, under the same principle as locking him up and throwing away the key. Unfortunately the police didn't do a goo job at shooting him (they always intend to shoot to kill according to the chap on the radio this afternoon)
I'm not saying kill every criminal that goes through our courts, but there are exceptional cases like this where the evidence cannot be argued. Sorry but you sound like one of all to many do gooders who are putting this country to shame with fictional equality. If only everyone played by the same rules it might work, but whilst there re nut jobs like this walking the streets, human rights go out the window.
DNA evidence is undisputable, sorry. There would need to be the same trial to put someone in prison for murder as there would to hang them or whatever for murder. I don't quite understand the logic where someone who has no job and prospects can kill someone and end up in prison with a better life (in many cases) than the soldier that was killed will have.
When DNA evidence is 100% accurate why would you want to un-kill a murderer, am I missing the point?
Hey Ray. Whilst I agree with you that there were people wrongly convincted prior to DNA forensic science being used in criminal cases, has there been a wrong conviction since that? I genuinly don't know so it's more of an ask than an argument!
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Ray Stafford
Hi Kieran
A quick google search of "is DNA evidence reliable" gives a lot of hits with various responses. Unfortunately, its hard to tell who has an axe to grind, and who doesn't. And even if is 100% (doubtful) then in most cases what the DNA evidence is proving is that an individual came into contact with the victim, or was present at the scene of the crime. Thats pretty strong evidence, but not the same as proving exactly what happened.
My objection to the death penalty is not solely about the possibility of miscarriages of justice, important though that is.
Its a moral point. Whilst I absolutely understand the desire for retribution, and if the victim was a friend or family member I am sure that I would feel it very strongly, I genuinely believe that we have to PROVE that our society is better than some of the scum that exist in it.
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R1CKY
I'm by no means "one of all too many do-gooders". Murder is murder, whether carried out by a criminal or by the government. I can understand why people would like the death sentence, but IMO it is too good for the criminals. Most extremists are willing to die for their beliefs anyway. The thought of a human being, like you and I, having the right to kill another human (even though those that performed this horrific murder don't deserve that title) is quite a horrid thought in my mind.
As Ray said, I'd have had no issue with the Police shooting them dead to protect themselves and public. The same way as I'd use any force possible to protect myself and my family from an attacker.
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tamz
Prison for them should be something like solitary confinement in a stinking darkened hole. Eat shyt and sleep until they are carried out in a box.
Something like the solitary in the film Papillon and that would still be too good for them but unfortunately even murdering *******s still have "human rights" no matter how much they don't deserve any.
Something like the solitary in the film Papillon and that would still be too good for them but unfortunately even murdering *******s still have "human rights" no matter how much they don't deserve any.
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Ray Stafford
Right now, no I wouldn't, because it would be insensitive to a grieving family. In a couple of years time, when the pain has dulled a bit, yes I would be prepared to.
But we shouldn't have laws that are framed entirely to assuage the grief of those affected by a hideous crime, however much we may feel for them.
And I wouldn't consider myself a liberal either - most of my political views would put me very much on the "right" of the political spectrum. I just don't happen to agree with the death penalty.
dont be too quick to vote bnp either Redsaw as many of their members believe those with disabilities should be put down at birth so as not to be a drain on the economy.
My argument is purely financial to be honest. I think that even if the official figure of £40k ish a year to keep someone in prison is to be believed, our most dangerous murderers may spend 40 years in prison. That's £1.6m plus the trial costs they cost the state!
the problem with the death penalty is it introduces the prospect of well im going to die anyway so why not take a few people out with me. It gives way to produce alot more Raul Moats. By the way I do believe in the principal of the death penalty for people like these but the reality of it isn't simply black and white.
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Dotty
This is the same as my thoughts. I want to be able to agree to the death penalty but I can't. The judicial process is fallible. There is always that tiny percentage that are imprisoned because the case was flawed or a witness lied.
I'll always remember the case of Derek Bentley.
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Veggie Dave
Even ignoring the moral and logical question of killing people for killing people, where one killing is more righteous than the other even though both killings are justified with exactly the same argument, DNA evidence is anything but 100% reliable or 'indisputable'.
How DNA evidence creates victims of chance - science-in-society - 18 August 2010 - New Scientist
And this is before you get into the realm of the possibility of dishonest law enforcement. Two cases instantly spring to mind: Birmingham Six and Hillsborough.
How DNA evidence creates victims of chance - science-in-society - 18 August 2010 - New Scientist
And this is before you get into the realm of the possibility of dishonest law enforcement. Two cases instantly spring to mind: Birmingham Six and Hillsborough.
But trials in this country are still decided by juries for 1. Whilst you've pointed to one website online that claims DNA evidence is less than adequate it is undoubtedly nearly 100% reliable. That said, the CPS doesn't bring trials on the basis of DNA evidence alone, so there would be multiple evidence chains in order to convict someone of murder.
To my mind when someone takes a life, they give up all of their human rights at the point they kill someone, so to me it's perfectly moral to kill them as punishment.
You are talking about a few cases in the millions of cases that are heard around the world. I don't understand why a tiny minority of cases should be used as an argument to determine how the vast majority of cases are treated.
I think we are going to have to agree that we have radicaly different opinions on the subject 🙂
To my mind when someone takes a life, they give up all of their human rights at the point they kill someone, so to me it's perfectly moral to kill them as punishment.
You are talking about a few cases in the millions of cases that are heard around the world. I don't understand why a tiny minority of cases should be used as an argument to determine how the vast majority of cases are treated.
I think we are going to have to agree that we have radicaly different opinions on the subject 🙂
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Ray Stafford
I see your points and understand where your coming from. I find it quite interesting that a key factor in the discussion seems to come down to the difference between calculated murder and impulse killing. I don't agree myself, but as already said the conversation could go on for days.
Personally, I wouldn't bat an eye lid seeing this guy hanging from a tree with a noose around his neck, and i'm not one for fighting and violence. I get angry at the fact someone is selfish enough to take another's life without a thought for them or the family and friends they leave behind, and don't even get me started on rape and child abuse.
As said, the majority of cases aren't clear cut, so it would only be on very rare occasions like this where i would agree with the death sentence on overwhelming evidence.
Personally, I wouldn't bat an eye lid seeing this guy hanging from a tree with a noose around his neck, and i'm not one for fighting and violence. I get angry at the fact someone is selfish enough to take another's life without a thought for them or the family and friends they leave behind, and don't even get me started on rape and child abuse.
As said, the majority of cases aren't clear cut, so it would only be on very rare occasions like this where i would agree with the death sentence on overwhelming evidence.
tbh id rather they spend the 40k a year helping the homeless or researching cancer or paying for an extra social worker for the protection of kids.
the police marksmen should have put a bullet in there skulls and be done with it and they should have been give a medal for it too.
the police marksmen should have put a bullet in there skulls and be done with it and they should have been give a medal for it too.
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on31ll
Im for death penelty in certain circumstances ! These men did it ! They said they did it and they where caught red handed i wouldnt want to unkill them ! Id want them dead wouldnt even want to bury/cremate them in a coffin! They dont deserve it !
Its time to get radical terrorists out ! Burning poppys is a no ko i think you should be arrested for that ! Spitting at soldiers or police i think you should be areested for that to ! Weather your english or not ! But slaughtering a young soldier as hes walking the street ? You should have your life taken from them !
Apart from all the racial hatred and all the other racism i think its time for the noce muslims, the nice jews, the nice catholics to take control and stop the radicals from being in there church or mosque etc ! But no it will never happen !
Its time to get radical terrorists out ! Burning poppys is a no ko i think you should be arrested for that ! Spitting at soldiers or police i think you should be areested for that to ! Weather your english or not ! But slaughtering a young soldier as hes walking the street ? You should have your life taken from them !
Apart from all the racial hatred and all the other racism i think its time for the noce muslims, the nice jews, the nice catholics to take control and stop the radicals from being in there church or mosque etc ! But no it will never happen !
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on31ll
I agree totally ! Id rather pay that 40k to that soldiers two kids ! All prisoners should be treated like they are treated in tent coty in america ! The dont reoffend there !
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kay-jay
I like this.....apart from the taxman bit🙂
I think you meant to say 'hang the taxman'😀
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Masood
Yeah but then the population would fall, and there'd be skills shortage and fast-trackers would be chasing you down the street shouting "Gizza job mate?!"
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Rickster123
the only people I hate more than the tax man are the people who cheat tax. And people who don't pay tax. These are normally the people who moan about the emergency services and the nhs. We all have to pay our way that's just how it is.
Or getting paid cash for copper and not declaring it.. Sorry, you'll have to hang me. I got given a 5
fiver tip of a lovely little old lady and didn't let the tax man take his quid.
the most common tax dodgers are large corps/ companies. The govenrment will spend more money chasing a plumber for that 20% of that 20 quid you charged that oap down the road for a new outside tap than the millions these large companies should have coughed up. easier to squash the little guy im affraid.
Yes but not all of us don't pay in!
Did you see skint? That girl with five kids £400 a week, rent paid for. Never worked a day in her life. If I get I'll or run out if work I wouldn't get any where near that, and ive paid loads of tax.
You know cannot kill them they will be martyrs to the cause, infact they are now because of the publicity and mobile media 🙁
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