Budget boiler recommendations + quote

[kriket]

You know if you get an engineer in, he does all this leg work for you, its what your paying him for

Once you've got all your bits, why dont we just tell you how to fit it and you wont need to pay anyone.

Like i have mentioned several times in this thread, I am going to get a certified engineer (and also asked members here to give me a quote for the labor in the OP). But if the boiler comes with all the extra stuff, what can i do?

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

Let the engineer buy the boiler

 

[Dotty]

Look, what the guys are saying here and you're not getting a grasp of is there's more to a boiler replacement than just a boiler!

Get 3-4 quotes from GSR's. Suggest to them the boiler(s) you've had recommended.

He may steer you to a boiler he is familiar with for 2 reasons.

1. He'll be commissioning it.
2. You would probably want him to service it every year.

The problem with you supplying the boiler is that if there are any problems at all with it out of the box you're stuck with it, whereas if your gsr is supplying it the onus is on him to get it working. Likewise the warranty is down to him too.

 

[Scott_D]

PS - I cant post links but could someone pls tell me why a £450 boiler (heatline capizeplus) has twelve 5 star ratings on reviewcentre? and someof them from a certified engineer. All that stuff about vaillant parts?

Some peoples idea of a good product is a cheap product.
If you get 5 quotes you will probably get 4 different recommendations on the best boiler.
Choose the installer you feel most comfortable with doing the work as they will most likely be servicing and maintaining it for you in the future.

 

[kriket]

Look, what the guys are saying here and you're not getting a grasp of is there's more to a boiler replacement than just a boiler!

Get 3-4 quotes from GSR's. Suggest to them the boiler(s) you've had recommended.

He may steer you to a boiler he is familiar with for 2 reasons.

1. He'll be commissioning it.
2. You would probably want him to service it every year.

The problem with you supplying the boiler is that if there are any problems at all with it out of the box you're stuck with it, whereas if your gsr is supplying it the onus is on him to get it working. Likewise the warranty is down to him too.

i do get that but even GSRs are quoting over £1000 to supply and install a boiler like "ideal independent". I asked one GSR in the area when I was getting a quote for the pump for my old boiler but maybe I should ask more GSRs tomorrow. Can you or someone tell me, how much will I be expected to pay in total for a midweight boiler supplied and installed by a gsr? perhaps a price range if not an exact amount?

 

[kriket]

Some peoples idea of a good product is a cheap product.
If you get 5 quotes you will probably get 4 different recommendations on the best boiler.
Choose the installer you feel most comfortable with doing the work as they will most likely be servicing and maintaining it for you in the future.

normally that is the case, but when i read reviews like the following, I wonder

"We are Gas Safe installers and have fitted around 60 of these (heatline caprizeplus) boilers. They have been completely reliable and the customers love them. Basically the internals are all Vaillant. They come complete with the Vaillant heat engine (gas valve, fan and heat exchanger) and have a 'air snorkel' fitted to reduce air intake noise. Fitted is the latest 2014 regs compliant Grunfos 15/50 modulating pump to reduce noise and increase efficiency. Well built, easy to use, operate and install. Don't be put off by the budget price. You wont be disappointed.


"

 

[Ermintrude]

Ideal logic plus has internal filling loop and flue pack. You would need a programmable stat. Inhibitor and cleaner. Ideal installer will get u 7 years on ideal logic plus. I would recommend them . 24 kW is a small boiler. Are your showers electric. As a minimum I would say 30 or even 35kw. Your gas supply may also require upgrading and as the new boiler is condensing you will need a route for the condensate to get to a drain. Use a credicard with 0% to buy boiler and then £300 to install it.

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

£1000 to supply and fit a boiler is cheap

I think the cheapist install ive done is £1250 and that was because it was the easiest install ever, £1000 to supply and fit is as cheap as its gonna go, maybe even too cheap, if you know what i mean

 

[kriket]

Ideal logic plus has internal filling loop and flue pack. You would need a programmable stat. Inhibitor and cleaner. Ideal installer will get u 7 years on ideal logic plus. I would recommend them . 24 kW is a small boiler. Are your showers electric. As a minimum I would say 30 or even 35kw. Your gas supply may also require upgrading and as the new boiler is condensing you will need a route for the condensate to get to a drain. Use a credicard with 0% to buy boiler and then £300 to install it.

the current boiler (glow worm compact 100e) does both the central heating and the showers. So will need a 30-35 then. really do appreciate the advise

 

[Scott_D]

That sounds like an advert for the boiler.
I have never fitted or even seen the boiler mentioned, it might be great and problem free for 10 years. Or you might wish in two years you had chosen another.
In the end it come down to budget and you have to make your own decision.

 

[kriket]

£1000 to supply and fit a boiler is cheap

I think the cheapist install ive done is £1250 and that was because it was the easiest install ever, £1000 to supply and fit is as cheap as its gonna go, maybe even too cheap, if you know what i mean

but like the other poster said, if i can get the boiler and kit for 500-600 and leave aside 300 for install, i wont need to spend 1250

 

[kriket]

That sounds like an advert for the boiler.
I have never fitted or even seen the boiler mentioned, it might be great and problem free for 10 years. Or you might wish in two years you had chosen another.
In the end it come down to budget and you have to make your own decision.

I do thorough research before deciding, and decided to go with the stated boiler initially (heatline caprizeplus) after reading such reviews from GSRs on several forums who say they not only install it in other peoples properties but their own too. I would post links of forum posts , posted by people who had been a long time members etc, but will avoid as its not good etiquette. Personally, I was going to buy it but changed my mind after reading a thread on this forum. At least, for now I am not in a huryy to get the £450 offer.

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

Cant see any money in it for £300, 20% tax, register boiler, pay overheads, whats left, £50?

 

[Killy Bing]

but like the other poster said, if i can get the boiler and kit for 500-600 and leave aside 300 for install, i wont need to spend 1250

you're not factoring we are running businesses
we have tools, consumables, vehicles, accountants, insurances, we have to register that boiler, do admin work.

Registration of that boiler costs us money, so that 300 is slashed.
consumables used in the install
less money again for us.
other materials to pay for
our time and travel

i would be better off working at tescos 🙂

not to mention if you supply the boiler then the gsr won't take responsibility for it in the future.
it hasn't come from our suppliers!

I know you want the cheapest option and in the current climate most people do.
but a point comes when that cheap option becomes very expensive down the line....

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

Buy cheap, buy twice

 

[Killy Bing]

Kricket... Out of interest what is your job?

 

[kriket]

Buy cheap, buy twice

see u guys are not getting the point. If a GSR is going to supply and install the same "ideal independent" boiler for £1200, I might as well get the same boiler for £600 and pay a willing GSR £300 to install. Of course, you as a GSR will like more but there might be a GSR who might be willing to do the job for £300. Each to their own. (infact I already have a GSR who might be willing to do it for the price as he does all the other plumbing at a discount as well) And I am still getting the 5 year parts and labor warranty with the brand. Totally understand, that you have to make a living , but if I can get a boiler myself with warranty for much else, and have a GSR who is willing to install , why should I not go that route especially if we have a tight budget.

Dont want to stir anything up guys, just need recommendations on a decent midweight boiler.

 

[kriket]

Kricket... Out of interest what is your job?

student, hence the bargain hunting.

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

Please let us know how you got on, what boiler you chose and how much you had to pay for installation, would be interested to know if a GSR would do it for £300 all in

Best of luck with your search

 

[Alpha man]

£1000 to supply and fit a boiler is cheap

I think the cheapist install ive done is £1250 and that was because it was the easiest install ever, £1000 to supply and fit is as cheap as its gonna go, maybe even too cheap, if you know what i mean

Sorry, but I wouldn't be suppling and fitting a boiler for a Grand, I'm sure some people would, so beware!!