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Can I fit a boiler, and then have it certified by a qualified gas fitter?

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hayjay

Hi,
was wondering if it's possible to install a new boiler myself and then pay to have it checked by a certified gas safe registered engineer.
I'm currently a Petty officer in the Royal navy serving on a nuclear submarine. I have a Hons degree in marine engineering and I am a CAT B nuclear Engineer. I think what I'm trying to say is I have 8 yrs experience in multi engineering disciplines i.e hydraulics, electrics, Gas turbines, and nuclear propulsion. If I had the time I would love to qualify as a certified gas safe engineer.At the moment I spend a lot of time away. I'm not trying to save money, but by fitting the boiler myself it's just to have the pleasure of installing a boiler and possibly installing the central heating in my self-build house when I finish in the navy. If it's a no go, then I'll look into becoming gas safe certified myself.
Many thanks for reading this.
 
my cousins a nuclear physicist, a manager @rolls royce submarines, just not long come back doing something in 'new england' for the u.s fleet for 2 years. might be that gas turbine power stuff one gets a slight hint on and other propulsion secrets.lol
might get him into trouble now...woops

no, he wouldnt fit his own boiler either!.
 
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thanks for all your replies. I just wondered. OK I'll become a gas fitter and then I can rip people off.........
 
hayjay said:
thanks for all your replies. I just wondered. OK I'll become a gas fitter and then I can rip people off.........
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woooww!, so you expected you could do it lawfully and some one would sign it off for £50 and jobs a goodun!

does not work that way same as i cant be a submariner for the week on your sub, to see what its like. could you sign me in? just want to see what its like, no one will know!
 
Hi

i have my 25m swimming badge, I have swam in my pyjamas in the big pool and also collected plastic bricks from the bottom of the pool.

I have a bath every night and can hold my breath underwater for 43 seconds.

Infact There has never been a day in my life that I haven't been in contact with water.

My question is, can I drive your submarine?
 
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Get yourself certified mate. May have a cold couple of years whilst getting certified but after that you can do your own boiler, own central heating and everything. When you've finished, get yourself to college for your electrical, we're on a roll here, 15 years time you will have a great self build!
 
It was about as called for as me saying I'm looking forward to joining the navy so I get to do all my mates up the......

ok ok im joking I wouldn't go there.. Although sub mariners do like it deeper.

but honestly after all the time effort and expense put into being qualified people won't just put their name to anything it could cost someone's livelihood or worse a life
 
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Putting aside all the comments which are probably justified, the answer is no.

I may be wrong here so please someone correct me if so, but you could hang the boiler and connect up the water pipes but legally cannot touch the gas, flue or electrics, no matter how competent you are in a completely different trade.

You would then have to get in a Gas Safe Registered Engineer to finish the job. Finding one who would be happy putting his name to your work would be difficult, hence the prices being batted about.

A GSR Engineer has gone through a lot of training to be able to work on gas. Every time he or she signs off a gas appliance he or she is putting their name to it. No one with an ounce of sense would want to do that.
 
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hayjay said:
I can rip people off.........
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I’ll remind you a part of the Royal Navy Ethos.
7. Core Values: What we (Royal Navy) stand for
Our core values should be displayed at all times by all of us, whether we are on duty or
ashore with our friends and families. They should recognise our values and understand that
we are different from society and justifiably proud of the high standards we uphold in support
of our country.

a. Commitment. Selfless personal commitment is the foundation of Naval Service and
enables us to demonstrate a sense of authority and purpose. We must be prepared to
serve whenever and wherever we are required, and to do our very best at all times. This
means that we accept that we will be expected to put the needs of the mission, and our
team, ahead of our own interests.

b. Courage. Courage creates the strength on which fighting spirit, that essential
element which turns a fighting force into a winning force, depends. We must have the
physical courage to carry on with our task regardless of danger and discomfort, and the
moral courage always to do what we know is right.

c. Discipline. The Naval Service must be a disciplined service if it is to be effective. We
must therefore obey all lawful orders from our superiors. Self discipline is fundamental;
being able to discipline ourselves will earn us the respect and trust of others, and equip
us to cope with the difficult, individual decisions we will have to make during our service.

d. Respect For Others. Each one of us has the exceptional responsibility of bearing
arms, either collectively as part of a unit or individually, and when necessary of using
controlled force. In addition, we will sometimes have to live and work under extremely
difficult conditions. In such circumstances, it is particularly important that we show the
greatest respect, tolerance understanding, and compassion for others regardless of their
personal background; leadership and teamwork depend on it, and we have the
fundamental right to expect to be treated with the same degree of respect and dignity by
all with whom we serve.

e. Integrity. Integrity is that quality of an individual’s character that encompasses
honesty, sincerity, reliability, and unselfishness. It is an essential requirement of both
leadership and comradeship. Unless we maintain our integrity, others will not trust us and
teamwork will suffer. Putting this integrity into practice sometimes requires us to show
moral courage, because our decisions may not always be popular. This is not always
easy; however, doing the right thing will always earn respect.

f. Loyalty. The Nation, the Naval Service and those with whom we serve rely on our
commitment, dedication and support. We must therefore be loyal to our leaders, those
that we lead, our team, and our duty. Pass this test and we will never let others down.
 
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hayjay said:
I can rip people off.........
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Also...

16. Standards of Conduct
The Royal Navy has an enviable and unrivalled reputation for operational success, both
past and present. It is an enduring feature of which everyone can be justifiably proud but we
should not take this for granted. Awareness and continuity of our ethos is fundamental to
maintaining this success in the future. Regardless of your rank or position, in terms of ‘RN
Ethos – The Spirit to Fight and Win’, you therefore have a duty to: understand it; recognise the
pressures that could undermine it; and encourage, foster and preserve it. As members of the
Royal Navy we are expected to conduct ourselves to a high standard at all times. A handful
of simple guidelines should help:
a. We must obey:
• Civil Law, wherever we are serving.
• Service Law, which includes additional offences that are required to maintain
discipline and thus operational effectiveness; for example, absence without leave,
and insubordination
• The laws of armed conflict whenever we are on operations.
b. We must also avoid:
• Any activity which undermines our professional ability, or puts others at risk – in
particular the misuse of drugs and abuse of alcohol.
• Any behaviour which damages the trust, confidence and respect between us and
others in our team and unit. In particular, we must not:
• harass, bully, or discriminate against anyone, on any grounds.
• behave in a manner which could undermine good order and naval discipline
or tarnish the Naval Service’s long standing reputation.
 
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the answer to the question is ..... yes you can.

you can hang your own boiler, you can pay someone to sign it off (it happens on sites every day) but you wont find many will admit it. its a money thing.

you may find someone who will unlawfully 'help you out'. but, the lads on this forum want to see things done right, keep within the law and protect their reputation as the consequences are just not worth jeopridising a career for!...

if your lucky to find someone who will do that for you and it goes wrong in whatever way, you will not find them for dust and the responsibilty lies with you trying to defend yourself with the courts as the 'fitter' will know how to cover his tracks, you wont.
another one to note is, the chances of them not actually being registered legitimatley is something you take a risk on as thats easily faked too!.

your call......
 
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hayjay said:
thanks for all your replies. I just wondered. OK I'll become a gas fitter and then I can rip people off.........
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Is that seriously your attitude. Wind it in jack. You cannot prove your competence in the gas industry, no matter what engineering certs you might have.

This makes diy gas work illegal which is why we're telling you no. NOT because we want to rip you off. The reason the boys have quoted hundreds is because if your boiler was to be commissioned it would be coming off the wall and then refitted. That way the fitter would be confident it was installed correctly. You might be a big shot submariner but in the gas world that counts for chuff all.

I'm giving you 24 hours to retract your rip off comment.

If I see nothing by 2130hrs tomorrow I WILL remove your account.

Clocks ticking.
 
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you get submariners pay, so you can easily afford to pay a gas technician to put the boiler on the wall, pipe in the gas and you can come along later and run all your rad feeds up to the boiler. then he can pop back and connect and commission the boiler and heating system for you. it's not the ability and knowledge that you need but that little expensive ticket and insurance cover that allows someone to work with gas.
 
croppie said:
Is that seriously your attitude. Wind it in jack. You cannot prove your competence in the gas industry, no matter what engineering certs you might have.

This makes diy gas work illegal which is why we're telling you no. NOT because we want to rip you off. The reason the boys have quoted hundreds is because if your boiler was to be commissioned it would be coming off the wall and then refitted. That way the fitter would be confident it was installed correctly. You might be a big shot submariner but in the gas world that counts for chuff all.

I'm giving you 24 hours to retract your rip off comment.

If I see nothing by 2130hrs tomorrow I WILL remove your account.

Clocks ticking.
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The subs dived, he silent running now for the next month! Just pull the plug now croppie.

When all the water has drained out of his bath he might be back in radio contact but I doubt it.:54:
 
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funnily enough, if he goes ahead and fits his boiler and heating, it will probably be one of the best installs you'll ever come across. Re his competences, he will be technically more adept than most of us on this site. His only problem in proving his competence in a court is that he doesnt belong to a registered body for gas installations, however his various bodies he does belong to and have certification for far outstrips any of the tests we have to pass to work on gas so chances are he will be able to walk out of any court a free man. Additionally he isnt working for payment so once again he isnt going to be breaking the regs and all the grey areas involved.

His arrogance is a bit cheeky, but his apprenticeship took longer than ours ever did, and if he cocks up his job, its not a house that vapourizes but Plymouth and most of devon and cornwall 🙂
 
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Hmm how many people a year in UK get radioactive poisoning? Nuclear reactor is way safer than a DIY boiler
 
Obviously the guys clever, it's just not legal or ethical. Simples.
 
from looking at the rules in the past, it may not be illegal either being as its not being don under the definition of work and the fact his skills exceed ours on most fronts.
 
AlexGas said:
The Royal Navy Ethos says clearly that we must avoid any activity which undermines our professional ability, or puts others at risk.
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so being shot at tends to undermine ones professional ability and firing back really does put others at risk as well, seems someone cocked up on their way to be a sailor routine.
 
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If anyone does sign it off for him, I'd tighten your belts! I've heard about these navy people, it's all Vaseline and pillow biting!

Thats is if he is in the navy and who he says he is, it's quite possible that he's just a vagina (as proven by his later comments) who's after saving a few quid. If he was in fact of the status he claims to be, surely he wouldn't be asking silly questions in a plumbing forum? Surely a quick Google would give him his answer.

Anyway, I'm sure he'll be back on tomorrow as an airline pilot or a special agent asking if he can fit his own fuse box.
 
lame plumber said:
from looking at the rules in the past, it may not be illegal either being as its not being don under the definition of work and the fact his skills exceed ours on most fronts.
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This argument gets trotted out time and again. GSIUR part b.

PART B GAS FITTINGS – GENERAL PROVISIONS


Qualification and supervision


3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

Mentions nothing about payments or lack thereof.
 
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payment comes under the definition of work 🙂 fm memory. Can you define competence please John 🙂

love this thread already, so many grey areas. And did you all know that Greenwich university, once upon a time the RN staff college had its own nuclear reactor, in the middle of Greenwich that eco friendly, greenpeace anti nuclear local council place in London. You have never seen so many fire engines turn up for a faulty fire alarm, I lost count a 16 appliances within 10 minutes, that was one pig of a day to be the duty officer. I wonder if its been decommissioned now the RN has left.
 
You're not corroborating your own argument.

Competence comes with ccn1 and proven by registration as a gsr.

Where's the grey area?
 
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If the term 'work' meant paid work, surely it would say so, in the same way vehicle operators licences work, where they mention 'for hire or reward'. If you use an HGV privately, you don't need an O license for it.
The gas safety laws have been designed to keep people safe, if a DIY job doesn't come under the scope of the set of laws, then it's hardly keeping people safe.

The only grey area I can see is whether the guy is an @rsehole or a complete @rsehole.
 
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the grey bit being your not allowed to carry out work unless competent and a member of a registered body.

work defined as paid

competence comes in many guises in law

registered body being gas safe. of course.

But in this case, the bloke would easly prove competence in his skills and ability, he isnt working, but of course not being registered wth gas safe isnt an issue if he isnt carrying out work as defined in the regs.
 
lame plumber said:
the grey bit being your not allowed to carry out work unless competent and a member of a registered body.

work defined as paid

competence comes in many guises in law

registered body being gas safe. of course.

But in this case, the bloke would easly prove competence in his skills and ability, he isnt working, but of course not being registered wth gas safe isnt an issue if he isnt carrying out work as defined in the regs.
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Does this mean none GSR plumbers can charge for bleeding the radiators then give the customer a free boiler service? Is there a refund if we de-register part way through the year? No need to be registered after all! 😛arty:
 
HE ISN'T COMPETENT! He might be in submarines but not the gas industry.

How many times Jon. It's black and white.

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

Leave it go now because I'm starting to get wound up.
 
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hehehe need me on the other side of the fence John, just I know what the competences of these lads are from my previous life and also how poor our industry regs are defined. What you really need to do is send over a bottle of Irish, then I'd be a quiet bunny 🙂
 
lame plumber said:
hehehe need me on the other side of the fence John, just I know what the competences of these lads are from my previous life and also how poor our industry regs are defined. What you really need to do is send over a bottle of Irish, then I'd be a quiet bunny 🙂
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But IF it does go off – it can take out more than one house, a street, a someone across the road. What are we gonna say here!? That’s cool, nothing to worry about – he was working (not paid) in his own house!? That’s not right!
 
Alex, that's the point I was making earlier.

I really feel that anyone encouraging illegal gas work (paid or unpaid, to remove any shadow of doubt) should have their registrations re-considered.
 
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One, without the GS ticket, could work in a friend’s house for nothing and have the house as his own, just for a day or two. What are we gonna say about this!?
 
Work in relation to a gas fitting
51 For the purposes of these Regulations, ‘work’ includes do-it-yourself activities,
work undertaken as a favour for friends and relatives, and work for which there is
no expectation of reward or gain, eg voluntary activity for charities. This means that
anyone carrying out such work must have the necessary competence, as required
by regulation 3(1). However, membership of an HSE approved class of persons
(under regulation 3(3)) is required only by businesses carrying out gas fitting work.

so you dont have to be gas safe to do voluntary work or diy really, but as croppie states you have to prove competence, ie 3.1 of the regs. It was my point that this chap could probably prove his competence through his training and skills in his current role, which few seem to realise what his job actually involves, and immediately jump down his throat and get fairly obnoxious. that was my only reason for jumping on the alternate opinion route.
 
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did a job today service a boiler, guy said he used to do it himself for many years.. he is a solicitor! haha
 
REDSAW said:
did a job today service a boiler, guy said he used to do it himself for many years.. he is a solicitor! haha
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If you look at it, people can, could and do anything they want. The only thing is, one day something can go proper wrong and there will be a price to pay - a fine, a stretch. That’s fine as long as there’s no collateral damage, no innocent victims.
 
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I doubt his current role would be the HSE qualified class of persons unless gas safe.....They are THE only ones..
 
gas man said:
i can get a sub working its not that hard,i googled it,after all i am a engineer,how hard can it be
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Naw you just a techie, you have to be a Wofficer to get a sub to sea, then you can tell the engineers to get it working 🙂
 
lame plumber said:
Ray has been at home installing his boiler on the side 🙂
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You are kidding right? I am that guy who knows all the theory, but lacks the practical skills to unpack the box.

If I attempted DIY more complex than hanging a picture or planting a few million bulbs, Mrs S would be straight on the phone to the emergency services.

Here's a transcript of the last call:

Operator: Police, Fire or Ambulance?

Mrs S: Its Mrs S here. Mr S is attempting DIY again.

Operator: <shouts> CODE BLACK - CODE BLACK. All units, I repeat CODE BLACK. THIS IS NOT A DRILL!
 
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No wonder all the hospitals are in state black round here, they heard Ray was diying. re opening the box, no bugger has managed that one yet with the ones you post out Ray.
 
The “rip off" comment was harsh, but it was ment as a joke... I apologise for any offence I may have caused to anyone. That said I’ll repeat the first line of my thread the Question was (I Wondered not intend) and was given the answer of a simple no by some, and for that I thank you. I thank all those who simply answered with that reply. I got (shall we say confused) with some of the answers of “My fee would be £800” and “let’s go 50-50 and to take half of the blame”. These where quite funny and I did have a giggle, which is why I replied with my rip off comment. It seems it was not taken in the same light; perhaps I touched a nerve lol.
On reflection I maybe didn’t make myself very clear. So I’ll attempt to clarify my original question. I have acquired some land in the Scottish highlands, and when I retire from serving my country and protecting its entire people “including GAS FITTERS well most of them” that was a joke by the way; I have plans to build a log cabin.
I have absolutely no intention of touching anything that concerns in anyway gas. My intention after taking advice was to install if allowed the rads and associated water pipes, under floor heating pipes and electrics as I build.
It was never about the money .It was about drilling four bloody holes in the wall! I always intended to employ the services and advice( and pay for ha-ha) a gas engineer to advise me of the best system to install, and for the gas engineer to do any and all work associated work with the gas and boiler side and any electrics. So my original question was, and (this it seems is where I cocked up) could I just simply hang the boiler on the wall. That was it really. I certainly have no intention of touching anything to do with the gas side what so ever, as I fully understand that is where you guys are needed.
As for Mr Coppie’s qoute.... I'm giving you 24 hours to retract your rip off comment.

If I see nothing by 2130hrs tomorrow I WILL remove your account.

Clocks tickin....

WTF was that.
Maybe Mr Coppie you should check some of the comments on this thread again, and give them the same ultimatum. Generally guys I loved comments, really funny and if you like a bit of banter visit our navy site Blue Jokes | Navy Net - Royal Navy Community. You will quickly realize us subbies are as mad as you lot.
Finally, I’m currently based in HMS Faslane Helensburgh Scotland. If anyone would like to take a tour on my little yellow sub, I would be more than happy to arrange it (that is when we are in port and not out chasseing those pesky Russians) and show you around. Maybe you might like to have a play with my little turbine ha-ha.
Bye the way Mr Coppie..
You now have 24hrs to retract your head from you @hole. If not then I press the big RED BUTTEN and then we are all fecked hahahahahahaha!!!
 
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Fair play to the fella, can't beat a bit of banter. The reason for some of the more prickly posts are down to the general public thinking we're all millionaires, and that are job is easy. We get post after post like this, to save money and to hell with safety. We obviously miss took you for one of "those"
 
hayjay your swearing may be acceptable in your sardine tin but it is not on here. i see you apologised as requested but then took it away later on in your post. goodbye.
 
Well, the grey area has been erased - he was a complete @rsehole after all.
He backtracked faster than a smackheads giro!
With all those qualifications, it's a shame he never learnt to spell things like quote, button, chasing and Croppie.
 
I thought his back tracking was quite convincing, one of the better types of those posters. At least he had a decent come back. Farewell hayjay.
 
He wasnt too bad really.
He started off a bit on the wrong foot but at least he accepted what we said and sort of come around.....


Next time you lot go for a dip in the sea you might be torpedoed
 
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