Can I fit a boiler, and then have it certified by a qualified gas fitter?

[Whyme]

thanks for all your replies. I just wondered. OK I'll become a gas fitter and then I can rip people off.........

Brilliant, Wonder if he flicked his hair when pressing enter..

 

[AlexGas]

I can rip people off.........

I’ll remind you a part of the Royal Navy Ethos.
7. Core Values: What we (Royal Navy) stand for
Our core values should be displayed at all times by all of us, whether we are on duty or
ashore with our friends and families. They should recognise our values and understand that
we are different from society and justifiably proud of the high standards we uphold in support
of our country.

a. Commitment. Selfless personal commitment is the foundation of Naval Service and
enables us to demonstrate a sense of authority and purpose. We must be prepared to
serve whenever and wherever we are required, and to do our very best at all times. This
means that we accept that we will be expected to put the needs of the mission, and our
team, ahead of our own interests.

b. Courage. Courage creates the strength on which fighting spirit, that essential
element which turns a fighting force into a winning force, depends. We must have the
physical courage to carry on with our task regardless of danger and discomfort, and the
moral courage always to do what we know is right.

c. Discipline. The Naval Service must be a disciplined service if it is to be effective. We
must therefore obey all lawful orders from our superiors. Self discipline is fundamental;
being able to discipline ourselves will earn us the respect and trust of others, and equip
us to cope with the difficult, individual decisions we will have to make during our service.

d. Respect For Others. Each one of us has the exceptional responsibility of bearing
arms, either collectively as part of a unit or individually, and when necessary of using
controlled force. In addition, we will sometimes have to live and work under extremely
difficult conditions. In such circumstances, it is particularly important that we show the
greatest respect, tolerance understanding, and compassion for others regardless of their
personal background; leadership and teamwork depend on it, and we have the
fundamental right to expect to be treated with the same degree of respect and dignity by
all with whom we serve.

e. Integrity. Integrity is that quality of an individual’s character that encompasses
honesty, sincerity, reliability, and unselfishness. It is an essential requirement of both
leadership and comradeship. Unless we maintain our integrity, others will not trust us and
teamwork will suffer. Putting this integrity into practice sometimes requires us to show
moral courage, because our decisions may not always be popular. This is not always
easy; however, doing the right thing will always earn respect.

f. Loyalty. The Nation, the Naval Service and those with whom we serve rely on our
commitment, dedication and support. We must therefore be loyal to our leaders, those
that we lead, our team, and our duty. Pass this test and we will never let others down.

 

[AlexGas]

I can rip people off.........

Also...

16. Standards of Conduct
The Royal Navy has an enviable and unrivalled reputation for operational success, both
past and present. It is an enduring feature of which everyone can be justifiably proud but we
should not take this for granted. Awareness and continuity of our ethos is fundamental to
maintaining this success in the future. Regardless of your rank or position, in terms of ‘RN
Ethos – The Spirit to Fight and Win’, you therefore have a duty to: understand it; recognise the
pressures that could undermine it; and encourage, foster and preserve it. As members of the
Royal Navy we are expected to conduct ourselves to a high standard at all times. A handful
of simple guidelines should help:
a. We must obey:
• Civil Law, wherever we are serving.
• Service Law, which includes additional offences that are required to maintain
discipline and thus operational effectiveness; for example, absence without leave,
and insubordination
• The laws of armed conflict whenever we are on operations.
b. We must also avoid:
• Any activity which undermines our professional ability, or puts others at risk – in
particular the misuse of drugs and abuse of alcohol.
• Any behaviour which damages the trust, confidence and respect between us and
others in our team and unit. In particular, we must not:
• harass, bully, or discriminate against anyone, on any grounds.
• behave in a manner which could undermine good order and naval discipline
or tarnish the Naval Service’s long standing reputation.

 

[AlexGas]

thanks for all your replies. I just wondered. OK I'll become a gas fitter and then I can rip people off.........

You’ve just tarnished the Naval Service’s long standing reputation!

 

[REDSAW]

the answer to the question is ..... yes you can.

you can hang your own boiler, you can pay someone to sign it off (it happens on sites every day) but you wont find many will admit it. its a money thing.

you may find someone who will unlawfully 'help you out'. but, the lads on this forum want to see things done right, keep within the law and protect their reputation as the consequences are just not worth jeopridising a career for!...

if your lucky to find someone who will do that for you and it goes wrong in whatever way, you will not find them for dust and the responsibilty lies with you trying to defend yourself with the courts as the 'fitter' will know how to cover his tracks, you wont.
another one to note is, the chances of them not actually being registered legitimatley is something you take a risk on as thats easily faked too!.

your call......

 

[Dotty]

thanks for all your replies. I just wondered. OK I'll become a gas fitter and then I can rip people off.........

Is that seriously your attitude. Wind it in jack. You cannot prove your competence in the gas industry, no matter what engineering certs you might have.

This makes diy gas work illegal which is why we're telling you no. NOT because we want to rip you off. The reason the boys have quoted hundreds is because if your boiler was to be commissioned it would be coming off the wall and then refitted. That way the fitter would be confident it was installed correctly. You might be a big shot submariner but in the gas world that counts for chuff all.

I'm giving you 24 hours to retract your rip off comment.

If I see nothing by 2130hrs tomorrow I WILL remove your account.

Clocks ticking.

 

[lame plumber]

you get submariners pay, so you can easily afford to pay a gas technician to put the boiler on the wall, pipe in the gas and you can come along later and run all your rad feeds up to the boiler. then he can pop back and connect and commission the boiler and heating system for you. it's not the ability and knowledge that you need but that little expensive ticket and insurance cover that allows someone to work with gas.

 

[chris watkins]

Is that seriously your attitude. Wind it in jack. You cannot prove your competence in the gas industry, no matter what engineering certs you might have.

This makes diy gas work illegal which is why we're telling you no. NOT because we want to rip you off. The reason the boys have quoted hundreds is because if your boiler was to be commissioned it would be coming off the wall and then refitted. That way the fitter would be confident it was installed correctly. You might be a big shot submariner but in the gas world that counts for chuff all.

I'm giving you 24 hours to retract your rip off comment.

If I see nothing by 2130hrs tomorrow I WILL remove your account.

Clocks ticking.

The subs dived, he silent running now for the next month! Just pull the plug now croppie.

When all the water has drained out of his bath he might be back in radio contact but I doubt it.:54:

 

[lame plumber]

funnily enough, if he goes ahead and fits his boiler and heating, it will probably be one of the best installs you'll ever come across. Re his competences, he will be technically more adept than most of us on this site. His only problem in proving his competence in a court is that he doesnt belong to a registered body for gas installations, however his various bodies he does belong to and have certification for far outstrips any of the tests we have to pass to work on gas so chances are he will be able to walk out of any court a free man. Additionally he isnt working for payment so once again he isnt going to be breaking the regs and all the grey areas involved.

His arrogance is a bit cheeky, but his apprenticeship took longer than ours ever did, and if he cocks up his job, its not a house that vapourizes but Plymouth and most of devon and cornwall 🙂

 

[Stanios]

Hmm how many people a year in UK get radioactive poisoning? Nuclear reactor is way safer than a DIY boiler

 

[lame plumber]

nuclear propulsion is only safer coz those working with it have some superb training

 

[Leo21]

Obviously the guys clever, it's just not legal or ethical. Simples.

 

[REDSAW]

if he cocks up his job, its not a house that vapourizes but Plymouth and most of devon and cornwall 🙂

so whats the problem with that?

 

[AlexGas]

so whats the problem with that?

The Royal Navy Ethos says clearly that we must avoid any activity which undermines our professional ability, or puts others at risk.

 

[lame plumber]

from looking at the rules in the past, it may not be illegal either being as its not being don under the definition of work and the fact his skills exceed ours on most fronts.

 

[Leo21]

so whats the problem with that?

Id have to surf in Wales!

 

[Stanios]

nuclear propulsion is only safer coz those working with it have some superb training

Unless they are from Chernobyl

 

[lame plumber]

The Royal Navy Ethos says clearly that we must avoid any activity which undermines our professional ability, or puts others at risk.

so being shot at tends to undermine ones professional ability and firing back really does put others at risk as well, seems someone cocked up on their way to be a sailor routine.

 

[DrainMedic]

If anyone does sign it off for him, I'd tighten your belts! I've heard about these navy people, it's all Vaseline and pillow biting!

Thats is if he is in the navy and who he says he is, it's quite possible that he's just a vagina (as proven by his later comments) who's after saving a few quid. If he was in fact of the status he claims to be, surely he wouldn't be asking silly questions in a plumbing forum? Surely a quick Google would give him his answer.

Anyway, I'm sure he'll be back on tomorrow as an airline pilot or a special agent asking if he can fit his own fuse box.

 

[REDSAW]

nuclear propulsion is only safer coz those working with it have some superb training

my cousin had to go to this Russian 'Nuclear Submarine' Kursk (i think it was that one) dive down to it and stabilise the reactor after she blew cptn!!

 

[Dotty]

from looking at the rules in the past, it may not be illegal either being as its not being don under the definition of work and the fact his skills exceed ours on most fronts.

This argument gets trotted out time and again. GSIUR part b.

PART B GAS FITTINGS – GENERAL PROVISIONS


Qualification and supervision


3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

Mentions nothing about payments or lack thereof.

 

[REDSAW]

Id have to surf in Wales!

severn bore will be good that year!!lol

 

[lame plumber]

payment comes under the definition of work 🙂 fm memory. Can you define competence please John 🙂

love this thread already, so many grey areas. And did you all know that Greenwich university, once upon a time the RN staff college had its own nuclear reactor, in the middle of Greenwich that eco friendly, greenpeace anti nuclear local council place in London. You have never seen so many fire engines turn up for a faulty fire alarm, I lost count a 16 appliances within 10 minutes, that was one pig of a day to be the duty officer. I wonder if its been decommissioned now the RN has left.

 

[Dotty]

You're not corroborating your own argument.

Competence comes with ccn1 and proven by registration as a gsr.

Where's the grey area?

 

[DrainMedic]

If the term 'work' meant paid work, surely it would say so, in the same way vehicle operators licences work, where they mention 'for hire or reward'. If you use an HGV privately, you don't need an O license for it.
The gas safety laws have been designed to keep people safe, if a DIY job doesn't come under the scope of the set of laws, then it's hardly keeping people safe.

The only grey area I can see is whether the guy is an @rsehole or a complete @rsehole.