Asked to install flueless gas fire

[CES]

i have had 9 focal point flueless out of tune and have had to id all from new thats why i wont fit any more bloody things are lethal

I couldn't agree more!

 

[metaldust9]

on trust a trader theres been someone asking for someone to fit a flueless fire for about 3 weeks with no replys be the first it says lol i wpnder why?

 

[GASMAN10]

Hi

Thanks for all your advice, best to stay clear of them!!

Much appreciated

 

[everflow09]

i installed a focal point on thursday and when checked burner pressure it was under set. also fit co alarm - we tell customer its part of price when quote ( just add 15.00 to quote) everyones them happy including customer when they know there is asafety devise in place.

 

[Reg Man]

Don't give them to much bad press. They are 100% efficient. Trouble is the ventilation requirements are enormous, so 100% goes out the window, also must use flue gas analysis with ambient room setting as well. Gas rating pressure ect is what must do on everthing anyway. If you fit one make sure you allow as much time to carry out the testing as you do the install.

 

[metaldust9]

dont disagree with ye reg man just i wouldnt fit them personally after seing the few i have ,plus dont want the responsabilty of someone blocking the vent and them dying regardless of all the checks they need 100cm2 vent whos gunner put up with that kind of draft its a no brainer to me

 

[kirkgas]

dont disagree with ye reg man just i wouldnt fit them personally after seing the few i have ,plus dont want the responsabilty of someone blocking the vent and them dying regardless of all the checks they need 100cm2 vent whos gunner put up with that kind of draft its a no brainer to me

i totally agree with you, ok they are legal to fit, are CE rated, fit for purpose, and even if we do belt and braces checks and the customer later on blocks the vent it is still on your concience that someone was injured or died on a job you were on,

 

[pauls]

i have this evening been to see a customer and they have bought a fluless focalpoint and want me to fit it, i dont want to fit it but how do you tell them no and tell them the concerns about them

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

you wont have a problem as long as you read mi,s,do a fga and most importantly gas rate the appliance also quote for a co detector personally after finding 9 new faulty ones i am not fitting any more

 

[Reg Man]

So I take it we don't have alot of confidence in this type of appliance? Not wishing to upset these appliance manufacturer's, but the ball is in their court to convince most people on this forum that the flueless gas fire is a good appliance that a gas enginneer can install without worrying that there could be safety implications that will bite you on the bum.

 

[obseen16]

i always say to my customers "Yes ill fit a flueless gas fire but i will have to put a big vent in your wall first so youll end up using it to heat the cold air coming in through the vent" this usually changes their minds pretty quickly. and for the ones who have their hearts set on it i just over price the job so much that they would be insane to accept my quote. to this day i have never fitted nor will i ever fit a flueless fire.

 

[GQuigley67]

if they are so dangerous, then why are they on the market ?

 

[Reg Man]

They are not dangerous if installed and used corectly. Amount of ventilation is a bit on the down side, for you to stay warm, dry safe. Back to basic's, Products of combustion for complete combustion are water vapour and carbon Dioxide, so loads of ventilation, so fluless appliances including cookers have there place, but there is allways a pay back.

 

[metaldust9]

have you seen the size of the room you need for 2.8kw fire and the size of the vent 2.8 wouldnt heat up the dog shed never mind a room just a waste of money like i always say huge risk for little gain

 

[Reg Man]

Yer serious ventilation. What ever tickles your fancy.

 

[Reg Man]

Talking about flueless gas heaters, see enclosed message.

Dear Registered Business,

Gas Safe Register would like to inform you of a new ‘Safety Alert’ (SA), which has been published on the engineer’s section of the Gas Safe Register website.

The safety alert concerns:

SA 007 - Important Product Recall, concerning ‘Calor Classic’, ‘Calor Compact’ and ‘Royal Classic’ portable gas heaters - An important product recall has been issued on some portable gas heaters purchased since the 1 August 2010, due to reports that a small number of these products have been malfunctioning. Registered engineers that encounter these portable gas heaters should advise their customers to stop using the heater and to immediately contact their supplier.


Whilst the risk is perceived to be minimal, consumer safety is paramount; therefore, a product recall has been issued. The malfunction in ‘Calor Classic’, ‘Calor Compact’ and ‘Royal Classic’ portable gas heaters purchased after the 1 August 2010 could lead to the heaters emitting carbon monoxide marginally above the allowed levels. No other products are affected.

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