Boiler installed by non-Gas Safe engineer. Are we liable?

[Ermintrude]

must have been some pretty blinkered research, what did you do interview your installer?

few links you probably should look at, obviously after you have read the boiler Manufactures installation instructions ..... which tell you the legislative requirements on the first ten pages?

http://www.hse.gov.uk/Pubns/priced/l56.pdf

Building Act 1984

The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998

 

[Dotty]

And as for the Masonic comparison, being as I have a foot in both camps I think I can be a little more authoritative than most.

There are secrets in both, yes you are right, but one camp keeps those secrets because a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. And the the other camp keeps secrets because we can.

 

[poorman]

No I didn't just 'interview my installer!
I spoke to the HSE, Customer service 0845 345 0055
Gas Safe, Gas Safe Register | Ensure your gas engineer is registered.
Local trading standards,
Local authority.
"Anyone employed to work on gas appliances in domestic premises must be a Gas Safe registered engineer" note the word 'EMPLOYED'
Its all a bit protective, what you do for a living is your choice.
Another area is wood burning stoves, ring around and get a quote for the installation and you'll be told that to install one "Liner and stove installations should be undertaken by a HETAS engineer to HETAS regulations." which is, if you wise up on the legal aspects is not true, the work has to be signed off by the local building control officer. Installing a wood burning stove, I know, can save you thousands of pounds.
As for scrap copper, words like 'beer money' spring to mind (not my words) and I don't think people pay tax on their beer money. Everyone holds up their hands and says 'I pay tax' when it is plainly obvious that many don't.
http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/central-heating-forum/35072-scrap-copper-what-do-you-do-3.html
Smileys behind postings tell the real truth.

 

[Dotty]

You obviously have no sense of humour.

You also fail to comprehend the multiple references to competency.

 

[Dotty]

And I'm starting to think you're on a wind up. I should let it go if I were you.

 

[Reg Man]

Quote> I've found out the fitting of gas installations is a no mans land, anyone can buy install any gas fittings, boilers or pipe work.
What you cannot do is connect it to a gas supply!<Quote, from Post 17. This quote it is inaccurate. You are not allowed to carryout gas work unless you are competent to do so(Competence = Someone with the relevant Training, qualification and experience). If you are employed or self employed to carryout gas work, then you must be registered with the approved body (GSR at the current time).

 

[Reg Man]

Quote>My quest was to find out why, when I need a gas certificate, gas fitters/companies can charge whatever they like, my gas safe certificate cost £88, for less than ten minutes work, the quotes I got were from over £200 down to the £88 I eventually paid.<QUOTE. That is because reputable Gas engineers do not want to sign off none competent gas work. The overhead costs of maintaining competence and registration is substantial and therefore the charge rates will be higher.

 

[Ermintrude]

Ok. It's the building act 1985. Read that and then answer your own question. Any heat producing appliance must be installed in accordance with the applicable statutory instrument..... For gas I think it's GIUR 1998. But I'm sure when u spoke to the HSE they said all you needed was a pen and a ruler to make your own self certification reort.

 

[Centralheatking]

Sanity prevails - well done Crop CHK

GSIUR. Tells you all you need to know.

 

[Centralheatking]

The reality is that fitting gas and screwing up is a criminal offence - including
custodial sentances even for 1st offence - CHK

The wake up bit if you are illegally fitting gas will be
in a prison CHK

 

[Sprintmancolin]

So, I think everyone's agreed that I'm not liable (as the homeowner) but the fitter will be liable?

Thanks.

 

[jonnyswamp]

The legalities of being Gassafe etc have already been covered, but I suspect you'll still believe what you want
As for scrap cylinders and pipe work etc, I tell my customers that they can have whatever they want as long as they remove it, other than that I remove it without charge and keep it, my apprentices are usually very happy with this.These would be the apprentices you say that we don't like employing due to creating more local competition
You need to shut up and wise up and stop being so bitter

 

[Dotty]

Steady Jonny.

The boy's entitled to his opinions.

Even if they are misguided.

 

[Killy Bing]

Apprentices get taken on all time and out the door just as quick when all they do is smoke, eat, play on the phone, ask what time your finishing repeatedly and are unwilling to do hard work.

sourced from a newly qualified apprentice who got off his backside.

<. <. <. <

 

[Centralheatking]

anyway - how did your meal etc go last night mr Crop - CHK

 

[Dotty]

anyway - how did your meal etc go last night mr Crop - CHK

Mrs Croppie is a very satisfied woman.......

What about Mrs CHK?

 

[Centralheatking]

In plaster Left leg from ankle - to hip - immobile - stuck on grd floor 4 4 weeks
not a happy bunny - Chk

 

[IDCHAPPY]

Apprentices get taken on all time and out the door just as quick when all they do is smoke, eat, play on the phone, ask what time your finishing repeatedly and are unwilling to do hard work.

sourced from a newly qualified apprentice who got off his backside.

<. <. <. <

You've seen our apprentice then? (bar the smoking part :lol: )

 

[Sprintmancolin]

In case anyone is interested, GS made a report to the HSE. I haven't heard anything from the HSE. Hopefully they'll be taking action, but who knows. Trading Standards are doing nothing (per a telephone call I had with them), other than writing to him to give him a warning, because they don't have the financial resources to take it further.

So it appears that he may have got away with his illegal trading. Makes you wonder what the point of the legislation is.

 

[Dotty]

In case anyone is interested, GS made a report to the HSE. I haven't heard anything from the HSE. Hopefully they'll be taking action, but who knows. Trading Standards are doing nothing (per a telephone call I had with them), other than writing to him to give him a warning, because they don't have the financial resources to take it further.

So it appears that he may have got away with his illegal trading. Makes you wonder what the point of the legislation is.

Unfortunately (Or indeed fortunately!) no one died as a result so GS and HSE won't be that interested.