Can i service my own boiler if am not gas safe registered

[kirkgas]

Do you own a FGA?

might not be relevant, i have serviced many 100's of boilers very well without owning an analyser

 

[SimonJohns]

might not be relevant, i have serviced many 100's of boilers very well without owning an analyser

Couldn't agree more.
I believe that FGA has made many lazy and useless engineer

Do these fast track really know what a reading actually means?

 

[REDSAW]

we will have no choice in april will we.
that means i will have to buy one!.

 

[Pssst]

My view is that the law says you only have to be competent if you undertake work unpaid and not in the course of business. Now should there be an issue with the work, the court may well decide that competence is defined as being of a class of person qualified to undertake such work i.e someone on the GSR register. Up to you..

 

[karenmorgan]

I thought you had to be gas safe but I'm new to this. I had a question about this in my last exam and I'm sure you have to have someone who is gas safe to sign it off???

 

[Howsie]

Well done though for having the common sense to come on here and ask the professionals first. That'll stand you well when you do qualify!

 

[fuzzy]

Well, this seems to be a hard question to answer.

From the regs, it seems that i can, as long as i am not accepting any kind of payment for it.

It is when you start getting paid, that its illegal.

Also, i read that you have to be competent.

How do you define competent?

So, am i allowed legally to service my own boiler?

Regards

Mutley

as you say, you must be competent. how does anyone define competence, use KUTE/ do you have knowledge, understanding, technology and experience. I suggest if you are not qualififed it is difficult for you to prove this

 

[fuzzy]

no you definately can't! you must be gas safe registered whether it's your own home or not!

not true im afraid

 

[fuzzy]

You can work on gas if you have the relevant qualifications. you dont have to be gsr if youre not profiting from it. but you must be qualified!

you dont have to be qualified, you must be competent

 

[fuzzy]

OR does the court have to prove your incompetent thats a whole lot harder to prove....

if your in court then i presume your at least half way there!

 

[Bagsy]

Lets simplify this. To your original post and question. The answer is definately no. with out question.

 

[fuzzy]

Lets simplify this. To your original post and question. The answer is definately no. with out question.

incorrect, you can whether gas safe registered or not. the issue is competence not gsr

 

[Bagsy]

absolutely correct in my last post, phone h&S or gas safe there in no question on this absolutely. If you think otherwise you need to do some revision and get specific answers to your thoughts. The original post was can I service my gas boiler If am not gas safe registered. The answer is no you cant. Nothing to do with competetance..read the regs

 

[Halesowen1]

So did you service it yourself and are you and your family still alive??

 

[ecowarm]

The answer is yes.

 

[tamz]

absolutely correct in my last post, phone h&S or gas safe there in no question on this absolutely. If you think otherwise you need to do some revision and get specific answers to your thoughts. The original post was can I service my gas boiler If am not gas safe registered. The answer is no you cant. Nothing to do with competetance..read the regs

A bit of a quote from the regs.

Regulation 3 Qualification and supervision
(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.
(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.
(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.

Guidance note on 3:3

45 Anyone who does work on a gas fitting or gas storage vessel must be competent to do so, whether or not they are required to be a member of an approved class of persons. Therefore, do-it-yourself installers and those performing favours for friends and relatives all need to have the required competence. The level and range of competence should match the full extent of work done, but needs only to be sufficient for and relevant to that work. Employers of gas fitting operatives are also required under regulation 3(2) to ensure that their employees have the required competence for the work undertaken; in addition to ensuring they are properly experienced and trained (see paragraph 47), this involves ongoing monitoring of performance standards, as necessary.

And from COP20

7 Employers of gas installers will not be complying with their duties under sections 2(1), 2(2)(c) and 3(1) of the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 (HSW Act) or with Regulation 3 of the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1984 if the installer is not competent. Similarly, a self-employed gas installer will not be complying with his duty under section 3(2) of the HSW Act or with Regulation 3 of the 1984 Regulations if he is not competent. An employee or a person working on his own behalf (viz D.l.Y) will not comply with Regulation 3 of the 1984 Regulations if he is not competent.

Anyone doing DIY work on gas does NOT need to be registered with Gas Safe BUT they DO need to be competent.
The answer to the original question of can i service my own boiler if i am not Gas Safe registered is yes if you are competent.
Competence in gas installation requires enough knowledge, practical skill and experience to carry out the job in hand safely, with due regard to good working practice.
Proving it other than by doing ACS is a bit more difficult.

 

[wazzer]

Can your home Insurers void your insurance if you blow up your house ? YES

 

[RoryD]

Well, this seems to be a hard question to answer.

From the regs, it seems that i can, as long as i am not accepting any kind of payment for it.

It is when you start getting paid, that its illegal.

Also, i read that you have to be competent.

How do you define competent?

So, am i allowed legally to service my own boiler?

Regards

Mutley

Complete piffle Mutley, you know the answer is no. If you want to service it then go to your bank; draw money out (several thousand); get some training and when you pass your ACS service your boiler

 

[armourer]

I hate to say it but I think the answer is yes you can.

However as several have mentioned you have to show competence and that is what ACS is, proof that you are Competent.
Trying to prove Competence any other way than passing ACS is next to impossible as this is the approved standard.

 

[wazzer]

If you were competent you would not be on here asking simple question's