Channel 5 benefits Britain ?

[Ray Stafford]

I should also say that we employ several Polish staff (all at substantially above NMW!) and that their work ethic, attendance and alround good-eggishness makes lots of the English job applicants look pathetic.

Anyway, must dash. Out for drinkies with Rupers and Tarquy. Toodle pip!

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Germany has raised ther minimu wages to €9 /h

 

[SafeGasInstall]

I should also say that we employ several Polish staff (all at substantially above NMW!) and that their work ethic, attendance and alround good-eggishness makes lots of the English job applicants look pathetic.

Anyway, must dash. Out for drinkies with Rupers and Tarquy. Toodle pip!

Would you employ more polish nationality people ?
Would the polish nationality people work for you if you were going to lower there wages ?

 

[chris watkins]

(I am reading "excepted" as "accepted". My apologies if this was not your intent)

Minimum wage is more complicated in its economic effects than that. And it certainly is not universally accepted as a success story by economists, although it may be accepted as inevitable by politicians.

It tends to inflate the price of services, and shove manufacturing jobs overseas. This is because of the old economist's saying "you can't get your haircut in china" - a short hand for the fact that cutting hair, serving coffee and making beds in a hotel is not a function you can outsource to china. However, the higher you set the NMW, the more you incentivise producers of moveable products to offshore the production.

The NMW in Britain is set at quite a low level, so it has limited economic effect. I doubt you will find any subject on which economists all agree, but I can absolutely guarantee that price control (which NMW is a form of) is certainly not such a subject.

I'm not saying its right or wrong. As I said, at the current level, I think its pretty irrelevant.

Beer again (well also the lifelong impediment) it was the latter rather than the former Ray (accept).
For a clearer response I will wait to the morning.

 

[Whyme]

safegas we dont just all see the last lot of immigrants, read my post. if england had no immigration and my mother didnt come from ireland when she was 7, i wouldnt be english.....Your preaching to the choir.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Whyme I am sorry , my post was not address to you but Chris

 

[Ray Stafford]

Would you employ more polish nationality people ?
Would the polish nationality people work for you if you were going to lower there wages ?

As responsible employers we are bound to check that the applicant is legally allowed to work in the UK, but after that I hope that we would hire the best candidate, regardless of nationality.

And why would we want to lower wages? We deliberately pay even our completely unskilled and inexperienced staff well over NMW, indeed over the German NMW level, in order to try to attract more highly motivated applicants. Or as I am sometime prone to put it "I don't want us to fish for staff in the bottom of the pond".

 

[Whyme]

Your a top man safegas and its the only time i'll say this because ive had enough of this thread..I really really think youve got the wrong end of the stick about chris's posts...XX

 

[galaxy_plumbing]

I dont care as we wont change anything anyway so why bother. Politics make rules, we can only complain to brick wall.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

True Martin , we are just slaves

 

[chris watkins]

(I am reading "excepted" as "accepted". My apologies if this was not your intent)

Minimum wage is more complicated in its economic effects than that. And it certainly is not universally accepted as a success story by economists, although it may be accepted as inevitable by politicians.

It tends to inflate the price of services, and shove manufacturing jobs overseas. This is because of the old economist's saying "you can't get your haircut in china" - a short hand for the fact that cutting hair, serving coffee and making beds in a hotel is not a function you can outsource to china. However, the higher you set the NMW, the more you incentivise producers of moveable products to offshore the production.

The NMW in Britain is set at quite a low level, so it has limited economic effect. I doubt you will find any subject on which economists all agree, but I can absolutely guarantee that price control (which NMW is a form of) is certainly not such a subject.

I'm not saying its right or wrong. As I said, at the current level, I think its pretty irrelevant.

With goggles now off, think I agree with most of your post Ray, perhaps where we may differ is that most people, economists excluded (by the nature of what they do they can't be seen to agree about anything) agree that in a modern civilized country there must be a lower ceiling below which it is not acceptable for a human to labour for less.

I was not advocating raising it but as you say, it is low in comparison to others & maybe a raise to allow a clearer gap to exist between what we are prepared to hand to people as support & what they could earn with there labours might provide the encouragement for them to stop taking the pee.

 

[chris watkins]

Your a top man safegas and its the only time i'll say this because ive had enough of this thread..I really really think youve got the wrong end of the stick about chris's posts...XX

I don't care anymore either, you can only try so hard & for so long before it becomes a waste of ones time.
It does always strike me as strange that those who were the last to settle here as it were, seem to be the most periphrasis about the antics of those arriving !!

 

[Leo21]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nQaRQe86suA

On a lighter note.