Diamond Core Drill

[pt44]

Hi

I fit bathrooms and kitchens sometimes - but not full time (I have other sources of income). I don't often have to drill cores, but when I do I usually hire a drill and bits from my local tool place. Last time I had a Hitachi DC120V - 240v. Was superb.

Thing is its obviously inconvenient sometimes to hire. Time taken to get it and take it back etc.

So, I'm keeping my eye out for an alternative. The Makita 8406 seems to get many a good review. Looks identical to the Hitachi DC120V. Both quite short machines - but had loads of power. I have also used a friends Metabo core drill - lots. Its a total pain. Very powerful but always wants to rip your hands off and slap you in the face. I was tempted by the Sparky's I have a mixer by them and they make solid tools. However, their core drill looks like the Metabo - and I'm wary of it suffering the same traits.

Then - there's the DeWalt D21570K
[h=1][/h]This seems like a totally different design to any other core drill I've seen. I wondered if anyone has one or has tried one. I trust DeWalt as a brand and although the design is more normal drill than the usual core drill shape - I wonder if it works well.

I'm unlikely to buy new - as I simply cannot justify the price of any of them. So am keeping my eye on ebay for good quality second hand or discounted one's.

Thanks Paul


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[mikeygas]

I use the DeWalt D21570K, awesome bit of kit and makes short work of any core's to drill. Has 2 speed gearbox so you can adjust it when drilling small upto 52mm (i think) and large 127mm.
More powerful than the makita as it's 1300 watts and the an auto safety clutch so you don't go spinning when hitting wall ties :santa_smiley:

 

[Halesowen1]

Makita I find are the best core dills, I use the Makita 8406, had it a few years now and still does th job like new. Dont rate there normal sds drills though, burn them out in no time.

 

[pt44]

Thanks mikey - so the clutch on the DeWalt works nicely yes? Have you used the larger cores with it - like 110mm, 127mm - does it handle them with ease.

Paul

 

[markfxy]

I use the milwaukee core drill the electronic clutch disengages without the drill flinching, Best bit of kit i've bought

 

[REDSAW]

i have used the dewalt and took nearly 2 hours doing a flue hole through ordinary/engineering brick, hard dirty work it was.

it dosnt matter what drill it is the important thing is the core drills.

 

[mikeygas]

Pt44 I use mainly the larger core's as I drill a few flue holes. It handles smoothly and is pretty quick and efficient even at these sizes, let the drill do the work though and don't be tempted to apply excess pressure when drilling.

 

[AWheating]

my makita has done me proud today and breezed through my 5" flue holes with ease. I had a dewalt core drill once and sold it after 3 weeks and went back to makita. Either way dont waste money on cheap bits, poor bits make a good drill look bad.

 

[pt44]

i have used the dewalt and took nearly 2 hours doing a flue hole through ordinary/engineering brick, hard dirty work it was.

it dosnt matter what drill it is the important thing is the core drills.

Hi Redsaw

Its not that clear from your post what you actually thought of the DeWalt. Was it the 21570k model I mentioned? I know they do a few. But its particularly that model that intrigues me, due to its alternative design (compared to other core drills).

Although I agree with what you are saying about the actual Core Drill being important. I cannot agree that the Drilling machine doesn't matter. Have a go with my friends Metabo and have your wrist sprained and be slapped in the face when it spins around on you. I think the drilling machine being used is Vitally important. Which is why I don't want to buy one and regret it.

I am presuming that the Makita has a pretty good clutch in it that disengages if the core gets stuck?

Same goes for the DeWalt. I am presuming from its description that it also disengages when the core gets struck.

That's the type of protection I would like/need. I am sure the Hilti's and Milwaukees are superb at this - however, for the amount I will use it I cannot justify the cost of either. Hence, I'm still keeping my eyes open for the other two at around the £50-150 range. But can't make up my mind which is better. Hard to tell without using them both.

 

[ADM360]

pt44, as with most question asked around here you'll get lots of answer all saying different things! most of the new drills all come with a clutch. the makita's seam to go on and on! could you not test a couple out next time your at the hire center?

 

[Phil]

I'm also thinking about getting that £180 quid Dewalt, and I agree it is considerably smaller than a regular core drill. Is it up to the job?

The £139.99 Sparkys at Screwfix are still out of stock as they've been for weeks now, I check every day and they never have any.

What was that? Someone is about to slag off the Sparky I can feel it......

 

[tamz]

If you are going to be drilling flue cores expect to spend over £100 on a decent core bit.
A decent machine will be £300 - £800

The rest will all do what they say..............................eventually.
Depends what and how often you are drilling and how much you value your time.

 

[pt44]

Update - I bought the DeWalt D21570 on ebay, from a shop. £147 inc vat and postage, for a reconditioned one 240v (factory reconditioned - with 1 year warranty). They still have a 110v available as well, last time I looked. Arrived quickly 2 days. Also got a set of core bits went for Marcrist Turbolite. I seem to remember Marcrist have a pretty good name in drilling bits and diamond stuff. Came in 2 days as well, another ebay shop, paid £106 for the set of 5 cores. Very good value I thought.

Tried it out yesterday. Only a small core through an outer wall. Wow. Superb! That drill has a hell of a lot of power, you can feel the torque as soon as you pull the trigger. I love the shape of the drill, somehow fits in my hands far better than the normal core drill shape handle. This just feels comfortable. Drill feels solid and you can tell the housing is solidly built. Easy to change speeds as well, for the larger or smaller cores. Plus hammer mode. The chuck is 16mm and is enormous. Really lovely chuck. Its so big that it feels solid when you tighten it with the key, feels over sized, but I like that. Core drilled out faster than any core I've ever done. But, it was a small core and the drill bit was brand new, so not exactly a good test. But certainly not a disappointment. I'll try and remember to report back once I've drilled with the larger cores. The Dewalt has a nice solid feeling case and is actually really small in the case. Surprisingly so. My friends Metabo is a beast of a core drill, its enormous, this thing is more like a cordless drill. Another plus point for me, small tools are easier to cram in the car. the Marcrist also has a nice black case, with wheels and a pull out handle if needed. Though I doubt I'd ever need to use that. Its not that heavy to carry.

Paul

 

[Phil]

So can it be used as a normal drill aswell?, is this why it has hammer action albiet non SDS hammer action?

 

[pt44]

Yes I presume so. I presume the hammer action is there so that you can drill a pilot hole first with a separate drill. Useful backup drill as it has this facility.

 

[mcniven]

I use a £25 240v Powerplus (B&Q) SDS Drill for coreing. So far on this drill ive cored around 40 holes. Average drilling time, circa 30 mins.

 

[tamz]

Buy a good one and cut the time down to 5 mins or less for a std 11" wall.
30 minutes would core a 30" stone wall.

 

[davebigpipes]

30mins! I can do a cavity wall flue core in five mins with marcrist gold and even a Bosch normal heavy duty ads drill

 

[mcniven]

yeah ? thats unreal. what drill u using tamz?

 

[Howsie]

My 24v Hitachi and Marcrist bits will get me through a 9" in no time - pleasantly surprised the first time I used it.

Lent the bits to a sparky at a house and heard him using the bloody thing on hammer. Never again.

 

[tamz]

yeah ? thats unreal. what drill u using tamz?

Marcrist DDM2 and ccu850 or sometimes hilti cores

 

[Howsie]

Proper!

 

[Simon F]

recently bought the marcrist DDM 2, you can get a new one for £250 on ebay, powerful machine. as yet still using cheaper core bits, cant go the whole hog at once

 

[mcniven]

what about this? is this any good? if so, il buy it tomorrow!

http://www.scr ew f ix .com/p/dewalt-d25123k-gb-2kg-sds-plus-hammer-drill-230v/27907#
let me know, or link me with a shop that I could get tomorrow! My guns terrible.

 

[mcniven]

what would be best gun i could get on screwfix/merchants/shop ?

 

[tamz]

Depends what you want to do with it. The dewalt sds gun will be good for most general drilling and a bit chiseling. Bit light for driving cores but it will do it if you take your time.

If you want a gun to do cores the D21570 is a decent cheap one. It works as an ordinary hammer drill too.

 

[CES]

Marcrist DDM2 Diamond Core Drill 2 Speed 240 Volt

Dont know if this store is legit but worth a look

 

[mcniven]

ces this is in manchester eh, im in glasgow and need to pick one up tomorrow my normal one packed.. what one do hire companys give u

 

[tamz]

Usually hilti's or the big dewalts. Sometimes they do the smaller makitas with the 1/2" chuck. If you are in a hire shop ask them what they are selling. Usually they have stuff for sale too, sometimes reconditioned ones that are a good buy.

There is a machine mart on great western road. They have a decent range of stuff or there is a toolstop out at uddingston. Better choice than s crew fix.

 

[CES]

Sorry Mate, didn't realise you needed it asap

 

[Phil]

I see Screwfix have some of the Sparkys in stock now, £139 for 1100W or £179 for 1250W. Can't help thinking the 850W Makita is more powerful though as I've used both.

 

[mcniven]

is this a good core drill phil ?

 

[transit05]

do you intend to use for wet or dry drilling

 

[mcniven]

dry normal 4" flue holes

 

[transit05]

wet or dry drilling

 

[kozak1968]

I use a Makita 2450 standard sds hammer drill not on hammer with a core of up to 127mm through brick. The clutch slips sometimes but at least you dont loose your arm. I have had the drill for 3 years and use mexco core. If the core sticks alot use water from a squeezy bottle to lubricate.

 

[Timbob]

I have used the makita extensively for severla years, they are brilliant. Had two fail on me in probably 5 years, possibly usng it 4 or 5 times a week on average. One the clutch went, the other started spraying an oily substance out of the vents all over the place. was not particuarly that day. Other than that, faultless.

 

[kozak1968]

I use a Makita 2450 sds hammer drill not on hammer with a 127mm mexco core. Clutch slips sometimes but at least you dont loose your arm. Had the drill 3 years. If it keeps sticking spray with water. It cuts through brick o.k.

 

[tamz]

is this a good core drill phil ?

This one is.
Marcrist DDM2 Diamond Core Drill - 110V | eBay

Might be worth watching

 

[mcniven]

MARCRIST DDM2 110V 200MM WET/DRY DIAMOND CORE DRILL - USED | eBay

do u think its a bit of a risk tamz ??? it could be gubbed eh ? what is this brand new with warranty? about £100 quid more ? ??? is this one of the best around ???

 

[mcniven]

tamz, iv spoke to the guy from the link u gave me, £140 is that worth it aye ????

 

[tamz]

They have a lifetime warranty. I have had mine for about 3 years and have severely abused it to the point where it is so hot i can't touch the body. It still does the job perfectly. 90% of the work i do is in tenements drilling through solid stone walls up to 42" thick (fireplace cupboard out).
Even if it was gubbed which is highly unlikely it would still be better than most so called core drills. If you are doing a lot of heating time is money. Use an inferior core machine and i would have the hole cored the boiler hung and flue done before you were through.
They are the best machines available for the money and better than many more expensive ones. Before i bought it i was going through a core gun every 3 - 4 months and i have tried just about every make out there. I was about to spash out £800 on a hilti when this was recommended to me by a diamond driller. It really is a good machine and has been worth every penny. If mine died tomorrow i would buy another (well maybe the DDM3).

Buying 2nd hand is always a risk but a second hand beemer is usually better than a new vauxhall. The one on your link looks in better nick and has not been abused much (it is quite clean and not many marks on).

 

[Phil]

Can an adaptor be bought to fit a normal chuck on the DDM2?

 

[tamz]

Don't know. It is too heavy to use as a normal drill and has no hammer. It is a dedicated diamond drill.

 

[Phil]

Interesting, no hammer function?, in a way I'm glad I didn't buy one then although I was tempted. I bought the Makita in the end (hasn't arrived yet) after months of pondering which one to get. I have loads of Makita tools and so far they all been fantastic so I have no reason to buy another brand.

With a chuck I could use it for other things, like when I forget my sds drill and have to mix plaster with my cordless drill.

 

[Phil]

Still waiting for my Makita to be delivered, was looking forward to messing with that over Christmas. Doubt Parcel Farce will deliver now Christmas Eve. :icon9:

 

[mcniven]

i missed out on that marcrist one! went for £125 on auction.

 

[BFA]

Used a Hilti quite afew times without any problems.

 

[mcniven]

DeWalt D21583K-LX 1910W Heavy Duty 3 Speed Wet & Dry Diamond Drill 110V - DeWalt available at Toolbox

what about the pricing of that ??? bit steeep nah?

 

[BFA]

Unforunately Hilti are expensive but last a long time.

 

[Phil]

DeWalt D21583K-LX 1910W Heavy Duty 3 Speed Wet & Dry Diamond Drill 110V - DeWalt available at Toolbox

what about the pricing of that ??? bit steeep nah?

I'd love one of those but just too much dosh to tie up in a tool, once its nicked your stuffed.

 

[tamz]

Dedicated diamond drills are brilliant if you are doing a lot of coring and using it every other day or week. They pay for themselves many times over in saved time so are definitely worth having.
If you just do the odd hole now and again an sds and a half decent core bit will do you. The tradesave cores from PTS are quite good and they are not expensive.

We can all go off our head with tools. If i go into a tool shop i am like a wean in a sweetie shop.

Btw these are great wee core bits for smaller holes for waste pipes.
http://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-tct-core-drill-bit-40mm/58613

 

[Phil]

I use the DeWalt D21570K, awesome bit of kit and makes short work of any core's to drill. Has 2 speed gearbox so you can adjust it when drilling small upto 52mm (i think) and large 127mm.
More powerful than the makita as it's 1300 watts and the an auto safety clutch so you don't go spinning when hitting wall ties :santa_smiley:

Strange how the less powerfull Makita (850W) can drill up to 152mm and the Dewalt (1300W) can only go to 127mm?

 

[Phil]

Fed up of waiting now for my Makita core drill. I ordered it from Plumbfix last Thursday morning under the impression it would come next day (pushing it I know) but nothing. Waited in all day yesterday and today.......nothing. Rang Screwfix and they said ring back if it doesn't come tomorrow.

They've dispatched, its Parcel Force that are the problem.

 

[Phil]

Parcel Force are useless, what could be simpler than just ringing up if you can't find the address?

Package gone back to Leeds depot now to make another atempt at a failed delivery on Tueday. I want my regular driver back!

Next day delivery? 8 days now since I ordered. :singer:

 

[tamz]

Jump in the van and go to Leeds and pick it up :lol:

 

[Phil]

Jump in the van and go to Leeds and pick it up :lol:

If I did I would expect to be re-imbursed by someone, Screwfix are more or less saying its out of their hands as it left their warehouse last week. In the past Parcel Force have left Screwfix boxes at the post office (5 min walk away) but no, they keep taking it back to Leeds depot and the next day the same numpty driver fails to deliver.

There are other items in the box that I need, all of which have been bought again eslewhere at a higher price now as I needed them.

 

[James plumber]

I would avoid buying the sparky I brought the biggest one of all from day 1 it was pants and then 4 months out of warranty it blew up quite dramatically with flames bursting out of the sides of it I've now ordered the dewalt as I know a couple of people with it and they rate it highly however they don't use it as much as I would be using mine it arrives tommoro il let you all no what I think of it after a couple of runs also the chuck on the sparky was a nightmare to try tighten and kept working loose while drilling also the handle always used to work loose

 

[Phil]

I would avoid buying the sparky I brought the biggest one of all from day 1 it was pants and then 4 months out of warranty it blew up quite dramatically with flames bursting out of the sides of it I've now ordered the dewalt as I know a couple of people with it and they rate it highly however they don't use it as much as I would be using mine it arrives tommoro il let you all no what I think of it after a couple of runs also the chuck on the sparky was a nightmare to try tighten and kept working loose while drilling also the handle always used to work loose

Me??

 

[dancinplumba]

wow

 

[rpm]

wow oh wow! even. lol

 

[Dotty]

I would avoid buying the sparky I brought the biggest one of all from day 1 it was pants and then 4 months out of warranty it blew up quite dramatically with flames bursting out of the sides of it I've now ordered the dewalt as I know a couple of people with it and they rate it highly however they don't use it as much as I would be using mine it arrives tommoro il let you all no what I think of it after a couple of runs also the chuck on the sparky was a nightmare to try tighten and kept working loose while drilling also the handle always used to work loose

I'd like to congratulate you on dragging up an old post from the pits of hell, but being as you're an unregistered user none of us really care that much.

But if you were registered on t'other hand........

 

[Rickster123]

wow

Dancins back! It must be Christmas!! How are ya matey??