Disciplinary Hearing Help

[stevetheplumber]

anyone sending untrained blokes to do work on 35mm copper services wants his head examined go on tell us how much you was being paid ?

 

[mattbrfc]

I am fully trained but as a commercial heating engineer. I've only ever done plumbing since I started working here. (4 years) so I can do plumbing but I'm not the fastest. ...He then rushes us to get jobs done or.takes us off part way through and things get.rushed or forgotten.

Thanks for all the info. I know I am to blame was just after some info as to whether it can be classed as gross misconduct and possible dismissal without verbal and a final written warning. And the way he runs jobs he surely should take some blame.

 

[chris watkins]

I am fully trained but as a commercial heating engineer. I've only ever done plumbing since I started working here. (4 years) so I can do plumbing but I'm not the fastest. ...He then rushes us to get jobs done or.takes us off part way through and things get.rushed or forgotten.

Thanks for all the info. I know I am to blame was just after some info as to whether it can be classed as gross misconduct and possible dismissal without verbal and a final written warning. And the way he runs jobs he surely should take some blame.

No it should not be gross misconduct unless he could prove intent to cause damage but like I posted early what does your contract say ?

 

[oz-plumber]

I am fully trained but as a commercial heating engineer. I've only ever done plumbing since I started working here. (4 years) so I can do plumbing but I'm not the fastest. ...He then rushes us to get jobs done or.takes us off part way through and things get.rushed or forgotten.

Thanks for all the info. I know I am to blame was just after some info as to whether it can be classed as gross misconduct and possible dismissal without verbal and a final written warning. And the way he runs jobs he surely should take some blame.

The question you should ask yourself is - do you want to remain employed by your boss.
He is obviously 'not happy' with you over this incident.

Unforeseen things happen in the Plumbing game, but generally they end up being very costly.
Your boss will look at how easy they were to prevent.
In your case - quite simple.
I don't want to sound like I am having a go at you, but as an employee you have some responsibilities. Failure of some of these responsibilities could and can be detrimental to your employment.... It's the same for every job.

You sound like you don't want to lose your job, so you will have to go and front your boss and plead your case and for your job.
Hopefully, you haven't had too many stuff ups and can prove that you are a worthwhile employee.

Unfortunately, bosses are in a predicament with some employees. They have to make money and some employees just do not make them any, for whatever the reason.

It's very hard to determine the situation from an internet forum as to what the eventual outcome exactly will be.

You have worked for your boss for quite some time - maybe this will assist you.

But as a employer, and being in the situation of having to let people go numerous times, don't expect your workmates to stick up for you.
Front your own case, stick to your guns and admit your faults.
This does show merit - and may be your saving grace.

 

[Neil K]

The question you should ask yourself is - do you want to remain employed by your boss.
He is obviously 'not happy' with you over this incident.

Unforeseen things happen in the Plumbing game, but generally they end up being very costly.
Your boss will look at how easy they were to prevent.
In your case - quite simple.
I don't want to sound like I am having a go at you, but as an employee you have some responsibilities. Failure of some of these responsibilities could and can be detrimental to your employment.... It's the same for every job.

You sound like you don't want to lose your job, so you will have to go and front your boss and plead your case and for your job.
Hopefully, you haven't had too many stuff ups and can prove that you are a worthwhile employee.

Unfortunately, bosses are in a predicament with some employees. They have to make money and some employees just do not make them any, for whatever the reason.

It's very hard to determine the situation from an internet forum as to what the eventual outcome exactly will be.

You have worked for your boss for quite some time - maybe this will assist you.

But as a employer, and being in the situation of having to let people go numerous times, don't expect your workmates to stick up for you.
Front your own case, stick to your guns and admit your faults.
This does show merit - and may be your saving grace.

Good advice. Or just bite the bullet and move on, put it all doen to a learning experience. In any case best of luck and let us know how you got on

 

[mattbrfc]

Thank you for all your help everyone.

I don't remember signing a contract since I started.....I may have done as an apprentice but not one recently since I've been out my time.

My work mates have all been pretty good as they know what my boss is like....pricing jobs low and trying to make it back on the labour.

Once again thankyup everyone, even the criticism as I know I'm to blame.will report back with how it turns out.

 

[REDSAW]

illegal to employ staff without contract of employment within 12 months!

 

[southcoastboile]

As far as I know you don't have to have a written contract of employment, if you haven't been given one it is covered by a standard contract. Similar thing happened to me but I got majorly stitched up.

What you did could be considered gross misconduct as your boss could argue the ceiling could have came down and caused serious injury.

 

[lame plumber]

As far as I know you don't have to have a written contract of employment, if you haven't been given one it is covered by a standard contract. Similar thing happened to me but I got majorly stitched up.

What you did could be considered gross misconduct as your boss could argue the ceiling could have came down and caused serious injury.

true on both counts

 

[mattbrfc]

Been to the hearing today. There's talk of a probationary demoting period, pay cut and lose my van as he doesn't think I can be trusted on my own so I will be working under supervision. My other jobs that have been fine have helped this decision. His main criticism is my organisation which he says is having a knock on effect, I think it's just lack of experience running jobs but hey ho.

 

[turnpin]

Thanks for updating us Matt ...keep your chin up regards Turnpin:smile5:

 

[lame plumber]

be happy to be in work still, the boss has met you half way on that one.

 

[Ermintrude]

Why's he been asking you to run jobs? He too busy to train u how to run them? Reasonable. But ask for training as you don't want to be a slave forever

 

[Radioman]

This is easy to say but hard to do: you are legally entitled to:
Accurate job description
Written contract of employment which clearly states pay rates holiday entitlement notice period sick pay and pension rights. Plus any agreed alterations to the original contracts. Employment contracts cannot be "assumed or verbal" any longer.
Adequate insurance compensation for personal Injury or death whilst driving company vehicles on business
Written copy of the disciplinary result.

Too many tyrannical "owner drivers" just sweep the employment laws aside and hate it when you challenge them. My advice to you is join a union.

 

[kris]

I do feel sorry for the op. But on other side of coin if your an employer and an employee is making costly mistakes then discipline rather than marching orders is fair I'd say. There's always 2 sides to stories and hard to advise when 1 side heard.

 

[chris watkins]

This is easy to say but hard to do: you are legally entitled to:
Accurate job description
Written contract of employment which clearly states pay rates holiday entitlement notice period sick pay and pension rights. Plus any agreed alterations to the original contracts. Employment contracts cannot be "assumed or verbal" any longer.
Adequate insurance compensation for personal Injury or death whilst driving company vehicles on business
Written copy of the disciplinary result.

Too many tyrannical "owner drivers" just sweep the employment laws aside and hate it when you challenge them. My advice to you is join a union.

Well said Radioman !
Can I add that some peoples idea of what constitute gross misconduct are also way off the mark. A little bit of research would not go amiss (especially if you are an employer) before get yourself in dodo.

 

[Reg Man]

Two written warnings are required before any thoughts of dismissal. Clear documentation should be made available on grievance and disciplinary procedures. Guidance on the legal points are available from ACAS.

 

[newcastle phill]

Yeh but ***mon.
If somewhere wants you out the door - your gone already and arguing just galvanises resolve.
Theyd just say it was gross misconduct and off you go

 

[lame plumber]

Two written warnings are required before any thoughts of dismissal. Clear documentation should be made available on grievance and disciplinary procedures. Guidance on the legal points are available from ACAS.

not true if its gross misconduct or if you havent been employed for the minimum period of time required to instigate the tribunal process.(which I now dont know as I have not been a human resource manager for 13 years now)

 

[Reg Man]

not true if its gross misconduct or if you havent been employed for the minimum period of time required to instigate the tribunal process.(which I now dont know as I have not been a human resource manager for 13 years now)

Agree with you on gross misconduct, but this scenario does not appear to be.