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As soon as someone accepts a job offer they have a contract with their employer. An employment contract doesn’t have to be written down.

guess your screwed!

 

[kris]

Breach of contract | nidirect

 

[kris]

Citizens Advice - Contracts of employment

 

[Millsy 82]

Yeh but ***mon.
If somewhere wants you out the door - your gone already and arguing just galvanises resolve.
Theyd just say it was gross misconduct and off you go

And you say see you in court.

Most companies don't know the correct procedures to get rid of someone.

I had a company try to do it to me after I fell out with 3 managers. They thought I had got legal advice so back tracked and said it was gross misconduct. I did leave in the end but they did pay for it. Happiest day of my working life being out of that situation.

 

[newcastle phill]

Debatable as you have not worked for most companies.

 

[Millsy 82]

I might not of worked for most companies but I have worked for a fair few.

To get rid of a person they have to follow the law, simple as that.

 

[rpm]

Or pay them off.

 

[lame plumber]

If you are the cause of a flood, its fairly simple to get rid of you 🙂

 

[tamz]

If you've not been there 2 years you're out the door no problems, no tribunials, appeals, nowt.

 

[Hardy1993]

If i was expected to rush any sort of plumbing or heating work i would tell them to do one. Some things shouldnt be rushed!

 

[Millsy 82]

If you've not been there 2 years you're out the door no problems, no tribunials, appeals, nowt.

Not necessarily. But it is a lot easier to get rid of someone in the first 2 years. (I think it used to be 1 year but changed not long ago) you can still be appealed against.

As this bloke has been there for 4 years it is not so easy. Like when I went through mine I had been there 2.5 years. They can't just force you out.

They could do what lame said and just pay you off as that's easier.

 

[newcastle phill]

Hes just fortunate to be there but as you said...
Sometimes it can be a blessing to be rid of these employers

 

[Badboy plumber]

I've been there buddy, had a boss who was always looking for someone to blame but the blame should really land with the boss who puts an un qualified plumber in charge of a job! You've obviously learnt a valuable lesson here, as your read many times, always cap off!! At very least remove the handle from a valve if it's in danger of being knocked open, but looking at it from another angle, who fills up a system somebody else has worked on without checking everything is tight before hand!?!? At my old firm we pressure test everything before we filled up, if a valve was left open it'd show up on the test, even the smallest little leak will show up! We all get the odd leak here and there, it's catching the problem and putting it right before you say your done that makes the difference between a good plumber and a slap dash plumber, but that said, your boss probably pushes too hard to get you guys in and out of each job quickly to bring the cash in, but in the long run being methodical and double checking everything properly before you pack up your tools and leave can save lots of time and money on return visits to fix leaks!
I'd say you'd have a great counter case against your boss, you didn't fill the system, the other guy did! Maybe the boss should introduce a check sheet for finishing jobs if he wants to start pointing the finger of blame.

 

[Badboy plumber]

Hate writing long reply's only to be asked to re log in and loose everything I've wrote!
Back to topic, it's been said many times but once again- always cap off pipe work! You wouldn't get away with leaving a valve shut without capping off a gas pipe!! So it's good practice to just always cap off.
I'd say your boss sounds like he's getting a little desperate reprimanding all the boys for leaks, but then it also sounds like you get more than your fair share! 🙂
Your boss should train you properly if he intends on putting you in charge of jobs, and if he's so upset over the leaks he really should implement end of job check sheet, I always pressure test my pipe work before filling up, it'll show up the smallest leak and save money on return visits to fix leaks, it might add a little more work but far less than returning to fix leaks!!
We all get the odd leak buddy, maybe not as many as you whilst still learning the ropes, but it's not getting leaks that's makes you a bad or good plumber, it's finding and dealing with the problems before you flood a property!
Belt and braces, insist on doing a pressure test on your work before you fill up, it's not an admission of fear of leaving leaks, it's being professional and caring about your work.
Again though, that said- if your getting leaks on ball valve connections and compression fittings ect maybe you could do with going back to basics on the training, you'd be surprised how many newbies I've trained who think the tighter you do up compression fittings the better........
I hope all goes well for you, stand your ground, in this case the guy who did the filling should be responsible in my opinion.
Let us know how it goes.

 

[THEJoeb]

How long have you worked for them?<br>what training have you had?&nbsp;<br>what experience did you join them with?<br>have you ever expressed in writing that you dont feel competent in all the tasks they&nbsp;have given you&nbsp;or requested further training?<br>how many employees does the company have?<br><br>I would say if they know that you aren't qualified or competent in the area of skills required to undertake that tasks they assign to you, then the responsibility should be with them. if I were you I would like to see there liability cover? it would probably require them to demonstrate how they measure and or monitor competence. depending on the size of the business.&nbsp;<br><br>

 

[Reg Man]

There endith the lesson. Is the company there to support you, or just there to dispense with you when things go wrong?