Do I report it to gas safe???

[turnpin]

Am very pleased ferret you seem to be getting some official support that I think your actions deserve,hopefully the chat with the local gas safe inspector will move things in the right direction
and thank you Gas Safe P.R for taking the time to read the post and assist a member of the forums in the way you have,it is much appreciated

Respect 😀

imho

See ferret told you🙂regards turnpin😀

 

[ferret]

thanks guys lol

 

[Flanners]

I wouldnt report it. The installation engineer is putting his name to the job and your company is registering it. The installation is open to possible spot checks as gas safe see fit. Does your company carry out the annual gas safety (landlords checks) if so these should be highlighted when they come about. If the installation is safe ie, burns correctly, no gas leaks, etc then technically after 12 months it NCS? However if its dangerous ID OR AR then just turn the bloody thing off. Sounds like your to good for your company mate. Just dont get dragged into bad standards of workmanship.

I take a photo of every one of my jobs and dont leave until i say to myself "can another engineer come in here and fault anything?" if so its not finished!

 

[ferret]

hi flanners , technicaly any new install that is ncs is deemed AR anyway and should be shut off , however it is the engineers discretion wether to ncs it . But the point is that this company is installing 350 boilers each year none are to current standards , and my dilemma was wether to notify gas safe or not , with the advice and backing of other members I decided to notify them and now they are going look into it

 

[stevetheplumber]

im very pleased to see gas safe have taken this seriously its nice to see they are doing much more than corgi ever did ive found there technical line so mnuch better than corgis who often just fobbed you of with a see the relevant paperwork

 

[Flanners]

Ferret, never heard of something being technically AR. It is either potentially AT RISK to the customer or its not. If an installation has been finished with no compartment notice you wouldn't turn it off!!!

 

[Puddle]

A new installation should be installed by a gas safe operative, fully qualified and registered in that field and therefore would not/should not install any part of installation ‘not to current standards’
Therefore if you inspect an installation and find ‘not to current standards’, you could have cause to believe the installation has been installed by an unregistered, unqualified person in the area of works involved, therefore Technically you could deem the installation ‘At risk’, for above reasons, it is very much up to the engineers discretion and available information and circumstances
‘‘If an installation has been finished with no compartment notice you wouldn't turn it off’’
Well probably not but that could be part of the signs that indicate something is wrong with the installation and who installed it

imho

 

[Flanners]

The word competent (exuse spelling) is used a lot in gas regs. If the installation has been fitted by someone (competent or not) and it is NOT AT RISK then you cannot and shouldn't turn off appliance. You should advise customer that there installation is NCS however is safe to use (if all nesseccary tests deem it to be).
If it was fitted by a monkey but safe its not AT RISK.

 

[dontknowitall]

Alternatively, if fitted by a cowboy ... 🙄

 

[Flanners]

Yes or a cowboy. Not saying its right but an appliance or installation is only AR if it is AR and shouldn't be turned of otherwise. Just how I interpret the gas regs and the english language.
AT RISK to me means exactly that. Every appliance could be at risk in the future but at the time of test if its safe then it stays on and faults raised with customer!

 

[GrahamM]

[FONT=&quot]GSIUR states a person MUST be competent. A person is not competent if they are not working to current standards and therefore potentially reportable.
A number of NCS faults on the one installation may at the engineer’s discretion, be elevated to AR.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]It is each individual engineer's responsibility to keep in line with current standards/legislation. If they are not then they are failing in their duties.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Not a good situation you are in ferret. Hope you eventually get the backing to continue to work as the good, competent engineer you appear to be.[/FONT]

 

[quality]

From what little or large I have, a competent person is :-
a worker with experience of the system they are working on
an adequate knowledge of work in that area
an adequate knowledge of a safe working environment
an understanding if weather it is safe to continue
an understanding of safety regulations applicable

Being registered is supposed to ensure work done is by the book but there is always the exception as the OP has queried

I know so called gas fitters, plumbers. engineers whatever round my way which are useless but they blag on

A larger company however should not nor should a one man two band


Rant over