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So I want to know if other engineers get much work from social media/ in particular facebook.
Is it worth advertising on or is it a price war on there with everyone wanting lowest price.
I have had a few enquiries with it always ending in "too expensive".
We are at the top price range for our area but I will never get in a price war.
Just wandering if it's worth putting more effort in? Are there good customers on facebook or just the ones looking for cheap.
Again with insta and Twitter we find that we get a lot of interactions but no direct sales. I would love to hear others views/ experiences
 
In our industry the best advertising is the word of mouth/recommendations.

I personally think social media is a waste of time because you’ll get loads of leads but no jobs. No point wasting your time tbh.
 
We are building a facebook presence but it takes ages to get to customers. Basically it relies on people sharing your info with other people. Probably 999 out of 1000 are not intrested or want your service but once the tipping point is passed then like minded people start to share your message with other like minded contacts then business will come thro.
It demands a lot of input but can be done while watching the telly in the evening. Rebecca does our facebook and usually maintains it when on train or bus and on her frequent flights to Norway i believe. Younger people use media and some are buying homes now so it will grow, these people like quality and will consume Quality plumbing and heating services esp. if its backed by endorsements
 
I don’t agree with any of the webpage leads or social media advertising I think it is just the race to the bottom in terms of price which is wrong on the trade and are giving unrealistic expectation to even more unrealistic people
 
I used to always see them on the local pages asking for a plumber I replied to all of them and they usually went with dodgy Dave from the pub who charges £15 for every thing.
 
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Word of mouth is best of all. It may not create the volume of customers quickly but the quality of custom is as good as it gets and if you look after them, they are loyal.
I do not use any social media as I view it as the 'Devils Spawn' but that is down to my own old fashioned views.
 
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I tend to find the “worst” enquiries come from the internet and the “best” from word of mouth.

Having a website is essential as a lot of customers can be suspicious of trades people they don’t know, and even with word of mouth referrals some like to check you out first.

As for paying for advertising ..... if you do your job properly, it shouldn’t be necessary
 
As for paying for advertising ... if you do your job properly, it shouldn’t be necessary

So your saying I dont do my job properly? 😱😱😱

On the Facebook plumbing sites advertising was always one of those subjects you knew were going to be worth a read. Because you always knew that someone was going to say "I dont have to advertise because I'm good at my job" they never seem to mention the fact that they have been running for several years and have built up a good client base they are just awesome at the job. 😉

I advertise I have to advertise. Why? Because times are changing people dont want to wait for something, the amount of times I lose jobs because fred can do a full central heating system next week is getting more and more people just phone around because most people want it now not in 4/5 weeks. I have my regular customers that will happily wait but these people are a dying breed.
 
So your saying I don't do my job properly? 😱😱😱

lol - no, not at all

Maybe I should have written once you are established

That said I do some local targeted advertising in printed media to supplement my existing client base and referrals........
 
depending on the amount of your FB friends you could use the “ asking for recommendations “ part .
My local pages are always full of people asking for plumbers , sparkies, plasterers etc .
What seem to happen, is wifey is at home on FB , somebody asks for a recommendation and she puts in my husband is a whatever .
I dont use it but its free and your name does get mentioned, so advertising of sorts .
 
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on a local community website we have, people often ask for recommendations ......... what follows are:

1. I can do that .......
2. My husband / wife can do that .....
3. My partner can do that .........
4. person "A" recommends somebody
5. person "B" recommends somebody



and the first 3 are not recommendations ..............
 
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on a local community website we have, people often ask for recommendations ... what follows are:

1. I can do that ...
2. My husband / wife can do that ...
3. My partner can do that ...
4. person "A" recommends somebody
5. person "B" recommends somebody



and the first 3 are not recommendations ...

Then dodgy Dave from the local does it for £20 cash.

See it all the time makes me laugh I have mates tag me in them every time and never ever get a job from them they are the kind that wants a cooker fitting for £20 cash "I wont say anything to taxman" no but it's written on a public page on Facebook you tw@t! 😕
 
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lol - no, not at all

Maybe I should have written once you are established

That said I do some local targeted advertising in printed media to supplement my existing client base and referrals....

Its alright mate I've got thick skin. Lol.

No that's right though once your established then you dont have to advertise as much but the ones on Facebook are so up their own backside they are point blank "I dont have to advertise because I fit Worcester and I'm a God"
 
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I get some small jobs on Facebook
It can be handy because you can request pictures, give a price and they take it or leave it.
No time wasted going to quote if they don’t want to pay more than £2.50 for a boiler service.
 
The local friendly approach on FB is great, its a bit like the apple pie approach...Uk Apple Pies which is anonymous or
Grandma/Mrs Tweedys Apple Pies made in a rustic barn locally with locally sourced organic ingredients.
Rob Foster aka centralheatking
 
Wow, some really good opinions here, I am under the belief (as someone else mentioned) that word of mouth is dieing. With the likes of aldi and pound stretcher making people more wary of every penny they spend and with all he money saving shows, word of mouth is dieing and the whole 3 quotes is winning. I regularly have people say "my usual plumber......" he cant be their usual plumber if they are calling me? Plus as mentioned before everyone wants everything today! I have a customer who had an extension, the kitchen isn't ready to move into, the worktop, electrics and tiles aren't even in but she wants the old kitchen removed! Another good point is the price war, seen a few people post for outside tap and actual plumbers quoting £40 including parts! Absolutely no point in doing the work for that!
Finally I have noticed a lot of people posting the whole job including parts shouldn't cost more then £50, otherwise you are being ripped off! Not only well under pricing things but also putting cowboy on the customers mind. All that being said though! Surely there are sensible people out there, plus does it form part of the research from the customer, when they research who they will use, do they check out the work on facebook? Do they check facebook and website and other places to make sure that the business is genuine and not a pop up shop?
 
The bottom of the tank is infested with cash monkeys .. best avoided.
The official term is the 'churn' business starting undercutting established outfits for a short time and packing in within year cause they are making no lolly. Then being replaced by another under cutting new outfit...often the work is poor and any guarantee void. Maybe its time ALL plumbing outfits should be registered etc.
Rob Foster aka centralheatking
 
This is quite interesting. I ammpossibly about to set up a Facebook business page as customers keep telling me that I should have one.
 
This is quite interesting. I ammpossibly about to set up a Facebook business page as customers keep telling me that I should have one.
Wow, that is crazy, who are your customers? Estate agents or public? I have just asked a load of customers for reviews on facebook and 50% said they dont even have facebook
 
I'm the same I deleted mine as I was fed up with reading about peoples perfect lives and then 2 seconds later the same person putting I'm so fed up. Or people moaning about Brexit and how the country is going to collapse afterwards. Or I need jewels for this game or corn for that game. Over the last 2 weeks I unfollowed about 20 people then just went duck it I'm just going to come off it.

I know so many other people that are also doing the same. Now I've gone old school and if I want to speak to someone I message them or heaven forbid I phone them. I have kept messenger though so I can still send photos for free.
 
I'm the same I deleted mine as I was fed up with reading about peoples perfect lives and then 2 seconds later the same person putting I'm so fed up. Or people moaning about Brexit and how the country is going to collapse afterwards. Or I need jewels for this game or corn for that game. Over the last 2 weeks I unfollowed about 20 people then just went duck it I'm just going to come off it.

I know so many other people that are also doing the same. Now I've gone old school and if I want to speak to someone I message them or heaven forbid I phone them. I have kept messenger though so I can still send photos for free.
I find twitter the worst for perfection, everyone is an amazing plumber with shiny pipes and invisible solder.
 
I find twitter the worst for perfection, everyone is an amazing plumber with shiny pipes and invisible solder.

Never been on Twitter. But Facebook was like that they pipe it up take a photo then solder it all and expect everybody to think their soldering is amazing where as everybody knows the truth. I couldn't stand the facebook gas sites.

1 of them a person took a photo of everything he took in for a boiler service. The kitchen had more tools in it than when I do an install. Must take them half hour to take everything in. It's all bull just to try and say that I'm better than you I can charge more than you because this is what I do that you dont!
 
Was that Ron?

I dont know they took a compressor in Hoover laid out something like 3 dust sheets and all sorts in there.

I think if I walked in with a compressor people would think what the hell.
 
I dont know they took a compressor in Hoover laid out something like 3 dust sheets and all sorts in there.

I think if I walked in with a compressor people would think what the hell.

I walk in with a screwdriver take cover off a blow inside boiler job done ,,,ahem
 
They’re never real world jobs where you’re left with a dirty bit of old steel and cross crossing copper from the last install
 
This pic shows #plumbproud! I am sure there is no solder at all

Screenshot_20190623-214644_Instagram.jpg
 
No I meant the installs are never onto existing crappy pipework
Yeah, I was wandering about this- the cost of the jobs must be ridiculously high as they replace everything! They may be great at showing off but not making loads of money! Must be 3 days on a boiler swap!
 
I think they use solder wire rather than the stuff you buy at the merchants

I like it. Makes you try and up your game a bit
 
If I may please give my perspective as a consumer, as I've read threads in the past about Checkatrade also but what is missing from these threads is the consumer's viewpoint. 🙂
I apologise in advance for the long post (I've had to put it in 2 posts 😳), or if I say the wrong thing, but I hope that it is useful to you. This is a very helpful forum and I'd like to give back to it by giving my perspective...
when they research who they will use, do they check out the work on facebook?
Yes for exactly that, if they have one.
Do they check facebook and website and other places to make sure that the business is genuine and not a pop up shop?
Yes. If I'm looking around it is all about trust. So having a website and a Facebook page with regular postings on Facebook will certainly gain my trust. There are even some sole-traders now that only have a Facebook page (so it can be very difficult to search for these businesses sometimes) and a mobile number - no website and sometimes no address listed. I'm not so trusting of this (anyone can setup a Facebook page) but with regular postings of their work on their Facebook page, it goes a long way to show credibility and build trust - it is free and easy for them to do and gets them an online presence without the cost and hassle, so I get it. As other's have mentioned, I feel/find that if a business only has a presence on Facebook, it could be because they are keeping their overheads low and so their prices are often lower also. Therefore, I'd question why this is and for example, I'd be wary about engaging a plumber that only has a Facebook page, but I wouldn't have an issue engaging a gardener that only has a Facebook page. I try and weigh everything up.

Here's what I do when I am in a new area/need a new tradesperson (in order):
I don't use Google for finding Tradespeople. Why? Because of the issue of searching for "local plumber" and ending up with a company that is based somewhere completely different that is sub-contracting to my area. I can usually tell by looking at the website. I'm not going to waste my time with Google.
  1. I will think about vans that I have seen driving around and local ads in newspapers/community ads and look them up - see if they have a website and facebook to get an idea about the company - if they are what I am looking for I put them on my shortlist.
  2. I will ask for a recommendation from a friend/work colleague but preferably from another tradesman if I'm in contact with one. If they are what I am looking for I put them on my shortlist.

    The above 2 are the easiest but aren't always the most successful for me because of 1. finding the ads again. Unless you (as a business) keep advertising every week, I (as a consumer) have likely thrown out your advert! So I try and keep a weekly newspaper and the community ad around for this very purpose - but it is difficult with so much marketing material coming through the door. Secondly, for various reasons, I don't have a network of contacts that I can call upon to get recommendations.
  3. For this reason, I usually end up on checkatrade which I find helpful for the following reasons:
    The businesses are vetted as genuine to me as being local.
    Checkatrade encourages a tradesperson to put much more information on their profile than their website often contains such as: Their qualifications, any CRB checks, whether they are 24hrs (for emergencies), an introduction to their business and what they can do (you can select from a long list chosen by checkatrade), any specialisms, any photos of their work. I look at a selection of their reviews but I take them with a pinch of salt as I know that the tradesman asks the customer to make the review so this can lead to only the "good" customers being asked to review. However, I do take note of the other stats such as tidiness, and invoicing. What I find helpful from Checkatrade also is that they verify with the tradesman their public liability insurance, which always feels awkward if I have to do it (almost feels like I don't trust them) and I have had replies of "I don't have it with me".
    I value Which Trusted Trader's standards better (because I believe they are more stringent) than Checkatrade but Which don't have all of the above information that Checkatrade do, nor do they have as many tradespeople listed.
    I have to be honest, I very rarely remember that there are other websites such as trustatrader available, I just stick to those 2.
  4. If all else fails (ie. Checkatrade doesn't have what I'm after), I'll use Yell (online).
  5. For heating/plumbing, I may have also looked on the manufacturer's accredited installer list - try and cross reference with checkatrade. I might have also cross referenced or looked on watersafe.

When I'm going through Checkatrade/Which/Yell/boiler manufacturer's accredited installer list, I'm looking to put people on my shortlist.
When I'm looking on Checkatrade, I already know they should be genuine. Sometimes a tradesperson just lists on Checkatrade and subsequently has no website or Facebook and relies on that. In this case, I understand if a tradesperson doesn't have a website, and it's OK as Checkatrade has vetted them. So I'm happy to add anyone suitable to my shortlist.
Same goes for Boiler manufacturer's accredited installer list, anyone on there I trust to be genuine.
It is more difficult if I have had to resort to Yell. I find that most listings on Yell don't give me the information that I'm after (some are just blank!), there are just too many listings to go through and particularly if I'm intending to spend a lot of money/it's a big job, therefore, only businesses with a website will go on my shortlist. The problem is that anyone can list in Yell (and anyone can make a website). I've also got to be wary that the Yell listing is not a national company sub-contracting locally again. I'll look for businesses that have been on Yell for a long time and have some reviews on Yell or I'll Google them and look for their Google reviews. No reviews isn't necessarily a bad thing in my eyes - it just means that everyone is happy.

I'll have a shortlist with various weightings in my mind depending on where I have got their details from and what feeling I have got from their website and if they have a Facebook page, this will add further weightings.
I'll give my preferred choice a call first and (hopefully they will answer), have a chat and go from there. If they don't answer, I'll leave a message or call later and move on to the next choice.
 
Facebook: I'll use Facebook as an additional aid to gather more information. I'm not interested in messaging the company via Facebook (unless that is their only method of contacting them - I have come across it). I'm probably this way because I don't actively use Facebook, I won't go on there looking for businesses. What I'm looking for is up-to-date photos of work that they have done. The photos on checkatrade or their own website are often old from when the profile or website was first setup - and just a snapshot of their work. When I see an active profile on Facebook, I get an idea of the size of the company, type of work that they do and photos of the work that they do on a regular basis (so a look at the quality of their work on a regular basis) and it is reasonably current. I won't have to have (what feels to me) an awkward conversation to ask to see the tradesperson's recent work, as I would have seen it already on Facebook and I would have more faith that the work they do for me is going to be just as good as the last post they did X days ago. I wish to pay a tradesperson their due for quality work, so by seeing photos on Facebook of their standard of workmanship, I don't have to blindly make that leap of faith. The fact is that if you have a Facebook page with this information on it, I'm more likely to give you a call than someone that doesn't.

I can think of a few examples of how Facebook has been used and it will be "went to an emergency callout this morning, arrived within X minutes of call. Here is before photo and after photo. Customer very pleased. We are here 24/7." Type of thing, mixed in with ordinary installation work such as "today on site replacing X because such doesn't work. Here is before photo. Replacing with this X. Here is photo of work completed. Contact us for a quote if you would like your system upgraded and X installed in your home". There is nothing wrong with posting about the smaller jobs too - these are just as important - "no job too small" and all that.
That type of thing. So it is marketing mixed in with showing what type of work you do on a regular basis, mixed in with showing the quality of your work and your overall service that you provide. By providing it in a "timeline stream" like Facebook does, it does build up a level of trust like a Blog would do, only I imagine that it is a whole lot easier and snappier for you (as a tradesperson) to post on Facebook and reach a bigger audience.
For what I'm looking at your Facebook page for, at least a post a month would be reasonable - or more frequently when you come across a job - maybe weekly?
How about posting on Facebook about tips and then upselling? Installing a smart thermostat for example.

The thing is, you need to actually point out that you have a Facebook page and then you are committing to keeping it at least up-to-date as you can with some content. Otherwise, you are better off not having it in my opinion, as it looks bad. So if you have a website you need the Facebook logo and a link to the page at the very least, but if your website layout allows (and with the appropriate Cookie/privacy policy), I would suggest to integrate your Facebook feed into your website in a little box - that way when I visit your website it is in my face (this option would definitely need a commitment to keep the Facebook content somewhat current). Also the Facebook logo at the very least in your local ads and on your van. There seem to be so many different Facebook logos to choose from, such as "Find us on Facebook" to the straight forward "F" symbol.
 
Facebook: I'll use Facebook as an additional aid to gather more information. I'm not interested in messaging the company via Facebook (unless that is their only method of contacting them - I have come across it). I'm probably this way because I don't actively use Facebook, I won't go on there looking for businesses. What I'm looking for is up-to-date photos of work that they have done. The photos on checkatrade or their own website are often old from when the profile or website was first setup - and just a snapshot of their work. When I see an active profile on Facebook, I get an idea of the size of the company, type of work that they do and photos of the work that they do on a regular basis (so a look at the quality of their work on a regular basis) and it is reasonably current. I won't have to have (what feels to me) an awkward conversation to ask to see the tradesperson's recent work, as I would have seen it already on Facebook and I would have more faith that the work they do for me is going to be just as good as the last post they did X days ago. I wish to pay a tradesperson their due for quality work, so by seeing photos on Facebook of their standard of workmanship, I don't have to blindly make that leap of faith. The fact is that if you have a Facebook page with this information on it, I'm more likely to give you a call than someone that doesn't.

I can think of a few examples of how Facebook has been used and it will be "went to an emergency callout this morning, arrived within X minutes of call. Here is before photo and after photo. Customer very pleased. We are here 24/7." Type of thing, mixed in with ordinary installation work such as "today on site replacing X because such doesn't work. Here is before photo. Replacing with this X. Here is photo of work completed. Contact us for a quote if you would like your system upgraded and X installed in your home". There is nothing wrong with posting about the smaller jobs too - these are just as important - "no job too small" and all that.
That type of thing. So it is marketing mixed in with showing what type of work you do on a regular basis, mixed in with showing the quality of your work and your overall service that you provide. By providing it in a "timeline stream" like Facebook does, it does build up a level of trust like a Blog would do, only I imagine that it is a whole lot easier and snappier for you (as a tradesperson) to post on Facebook and reach a bigger audience.
For what I'm looking at your Facebook page for, at least a post a month would be reasonable - or more frequently when you come across a job - maybe weekly?
How about posting on Facebook about tips and then upselling? Installing a smart thermostat for example.

The thing is, you need to actually point out that you have a Facebook page and then you are committing to keeping it at least up-to-date as you can with some content. Otherwise, you are better off not having it in my opinion, as it looks bad. So if you have a website you need the Facebook logo and a link to the page at the very least, but if your website layout allows (and with the appropriate Cookie/privacy policy), I would suggest to integrate your Facebook feed into your website in a little box - that way when I visit your website it is in my face (this option would definitely need a commitment to keep the Facebook content somewhat current). Also the Facebook logo at the very least in your local ads and on your van. There seem to be so many different Facebook logos to choose from, such as "Find us on Facebook" to the straight forward "F" symbol.
That is perfect thank you, this is exactly what I am using facebook for at the moment, which is good. I have been wondering for a while wether to advertise on facebook as I see a lot of adverts but I also see a lot of adverts from Birmingham, London and Bristol! Your advice is perfect.
 
Looks good from my house. 😀
In all honesty, customers dont care about solder shots. They care more about scorch Mark's and leaks. If the job is absolutely amazing then they may think about it for a whole hour!

Wasnt unequalled plumbing the plumber of the year last year or year before. A lot of prizes for winning too
 
I have to say I completely disagree with the long post above. I have never lost a job because I don’t have an online presence. All posting your work does is show that someone thinks they are superior.

In my mind it shows SOME good skills but to me the real tester is when you are trying to plumb in a boiler in an airing cupboard of about the same width with old pipes coming up down left and right where the old layout of the boiler isn’t F, H, G, C, R and still making it look a nice neat job. That to me is more of a skill than having a blank canvas and free reins to run all new pipes where you like. Stopping to take a picture when you arrive at an emergency is just crass. Here I am 15 mins after being called, here’s the flood, oh the poor customers property. I fixed it well done me.

I’m sorry it’s a load of old tosh. I get new and repeat work because I’m polite to my customers, I show interest in their lives even if on that day I’m having a bad day. I always say if you have any problems with what I’ve done, no matter how small please call me. Sure some photos of a nicely finished bathroom are a nice to have but keep them in an album on a tablet or on a laptop.

I hear more people cynically saying “oh I don’t use checkatrade because all the reviews are made up aren’t they?” And that’s customers saying it not contractors.

In my humble opinion I think all customers young and old respond to politeness, punctuality, showing interest in the project or job no matter how small, making at least 5 minutes to have a chat with your customer at the end and explain what you’ve done and why you’ve done it. That to me is far more important than a bells and whistles website or FB page.
 
I have to say I completely disagree with the long post above. I have never lost a job because I don’t have an online presence. All posting your work does is show that someone thinks they are superior.

In my mind it shows SOME good skills but to me the real tester is when you are trying to plumb in a boiler in an airing cupboard of about the same width with old pipes coming up down left and right where the old layout of the boiler isn’t F, H, G, C, R and still making it look a nice neat job. That to me is more of a skill than having a blank canvas and free reins to run all new pipes where you like. Stopping to take a picture when you arrive at an emergency is just crass. Here I am 15 mins after being called, here’s the flood, oh the poor customers property. I fixed it well done me.

I’m sorry it’s a load of old tosh. I get new and repeat work because I’m polite to my customers, I show interest in their lives even if on that day I’m having a bad day. I always say if you have any problems with what I’ve done, no matter how small please call me. Sure some photos of a nicely finished bathroom are a nice to have but keep them in an album on a tablet or on a laptop.

I hear more people cynically saying “oh I don’t use checkatrade because all the reviews are made up aren’t they?” And that’s customers saying it not contractors.

In my humble opinion I think all customers young and old respond to politeness, punctuality, showing interest in the project or job no matter how small, making at least 5 minutes to have a chat with your customer at the end and explain what you’ve done and why you’ve done it. That to me is far more important than a bells and whistles website or FB page.
So your saying don’t bother?😀
 
Harv that’s exactly what I’m saying.

Not everything these days is solved with technology and flashing lights. Sometimes you have to do the graft and actually deal with customers direct.
 
Harv that’s exactly what I’m saying.

Not everything these days is solved with technology and flashing lights. Sometimes you have to do the graft and actually deal with customers direct.
I’m doing good without Facebook. Only thought about it as I keep getting asked.
 
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If I may please give my perspective as a consumer, as I've read threads in the past about Checkatrade also but what is missing from these threads is the consumer's viewpoint. 🙂
I apologise in advance for the long post (I've had to put it in 2 posts 😳), or if I say the wrong thing, but I hope that it is useful to you. This is a very helpful forum and I'd like to give back to it by giving my perspective...

Yes for exactly that, if they have one.

Yes. If I'm looking around it is all about trust. So having a website and a Facebook page with regular postings on Facebook will certainly gain my trust. There are even some sole-traders now that only have a Facebook page (so it can be very difficult to search for these businesses sometimes) and a mobile number - no website and sometimes no address listed. I'm not so trusting of this (anyone can setup a Facebook page) but with regular postings of their work on their Facebook page, it goes a long way to show credibility and build trust - it is free and easy for them to do and gets them an online presence without the cost and hassle, so I get it. As other's have mentioned, I feel/find that if a business only has a presence on Facebook, it could be because they are keeping their overheads low and so their prices are often lower also. Therefore, I'd question why this is and for example, I'd be wary about engaging a plumber that only has a Facebook page, but I wouldn't have an issue engaging a gardener that only has a Facebook page. I try and weigh everything up.

Here's what I do when I am in a new area/need a new tradesperson (in order):
I don't use Google for finding Tradespeople. Why? Because of the issue of searching for "local plumber" and ending up with a company that is based somewhere completely different that is sub-contracting to my area. I can usually tell by looking at the website. I'm not going to waste my time with Google.
  1. I will think about vans that I have seen driving around and local ads in newspapers/community ads and look them up - see if they have a website and facebook to get an idea about the company - if they are what I am looking for I put them on my shortlist.
  2. I will ask for a recommendation from a friend/work colleague but preferably from another tradesman if I'm in contact with one. If they are what I am looking for I put them on my shortlist.

    The above 2 are the easiest but aren't always the most successful for me because of 1. finding the ads again. Unless you (as a business) keep advertising every week, I (as a consumer) have likely thrown out your advert! So I try and keep a weekly newspaper and the community ad around for this very purpose - but it is difficult with so much marketing material coming through the door. Secondly, for various reasons, I don't have a network of contacts that I can call upon to get recommendations.
  3. For this reason, I usually end up on checkatrade which I find helpful for the following reasons:
    The businesses are vetted as genuine to me as being local.
    Checkatrade encourages a tradesperson to put much more information on their profile than their website often contains such as: Their qualifications, any CRB checks, whether they are 24hrs (for emergencies), an introduction to their business and what they can do (you can select from a long list chosen by checkatrade), any specialisms, any photos of their work. I look at a selection of their reviews but I take them with a pinch of salt as I know that the tradesman asks the customer to make the review so this can lead to only the "good" customers being asked to review. However, I do take note of the other stats such as tidiness, and invoicing. What I find helpful from Checkatrade also is that they verify with the tradesman their public liability insurance, which always feels awkward if I have to do it (almost feels like I don't trust them) and I have had replies of "I don't have it with me".
    I value Which Trusted Trader's standards better (because I believe they are more stringent) than Checkatrade but Which don't have all of the above information that Checkatrade do, nor do they have as many tradespeople listed.
    I have to be honest, I very rarely remember that there are other websites such as trustatrader available, I just stick to those 2.
  4. If all else fails (ie. Checkatrade doesn't have what I'm after), I'll use Yell (online).
  5. For heating/plumbing, I may have also looked on the manufacturer's accredited installer list - try and cross reference with checkatrade. I might have also cross referenced or looked on watersafe.

When I'm going through Checkatrade/Which/Yell/boiler manufacturer's accredited installer list, I'm looking to put people on my shortlist.
When I'm looking on Checkatrade, I already know they should be genuine. Sometimes a tradesperson just lists on Checkatrade and subsequently has no website or Facebook and relies on that. In this case, I understand if a tradesperson doesn't have a website, and it's OK as Checkatrade has vetted them. So I'm happy to add anyone suitable to my shortlist.
Same goes for Boiler manufacturer's accredited installer list, anyone on there I trust to be genuine.
It is more difficult if I have had to resort to Yell. I find that most listings on Yell don't give me the information that I'm after (some are just blank!), there are just too many listings to go through and particularly if I'm intending to spend a lot of money/it's a big job, therefore, only businesses with a website will go on my shortlist. The problem is that anyone can list in Yell (and anyone can make a website). I've also got to be wary that the Yell listing is not a national company sub-contracting locally again. I'll look for businesses that have been on Yell for a long time and have some reviews on Yell or I'll Google them and look for their Google reviews. No reviews isn't necessarily a bad thing in my eyes - it just means that everyone is happy.

I'll have a shortlist with various weightings in my mind depending on where I have got their details from and what feeling I have got from their website and if they have a Facebook page, this will add further weightings.
I'll give my preferred choice a call first and (hopefully they will answer), have a chat and go from there. If they don't answer, I'll leave a message or call later and move on to the next choice.
Thats great insight thank you
Rob Foster aka centralheatking
 
It is important to separate selling and marketing I only really got to understand this recently.
A small ready established outfit
probably sells its service by reputation and word of mouth and its customers have already made their mind up before they call or know a happy customer
A new or expanding outfit needs to market..which is the facebook type model ..which says ..hello I am out here have a look
There is no right and wrong but you need to understand what you want to do to be effective
Rob Foster aka centralheatking
 
So do I but don’t think he has any problems with leaks so each to there own

Or they dont say they have a problem with leaks. I just imagine those are the types of fittings that 10 years down the line your working on something further down and they come apart in your hands.
 
Or they dont say they have a problem with leaks. I just imagine those are the types of fittings that 10 years down the line your working on something further down and they come apart in your hands.

Normally happens to me anyway find the flux has held them 😀
 
@JasetheMace Oh, I'm so relieved and pleased that you have found my advice helpful. 🙂
If I may suggest something else?
Ask your customers (especially new enquiries) "Have you checked out my facebook page?" and see their response. Ask them to follow you if you feel comfortable about it (they may do so without being asked).
2 things will come out of that question: 1. They may follow you and build up your network. 2. You are doing some market research and you may find that people have already checked you out but you just didn't know about it.

When I call people up, I try and tell people where I found them to help them know where their leads are coming from.

Like your colleagues have said, I also don't think that Facebook advertising (paid for adverts that is) would attract the type of customers that you would want by the sounds of things. I don't know how much Facebook advertising costs, but if it were me, and I know that it is controversial amongst the trades, but I see it from a consumer's point of view here, I would put the money into Checkatrade rather.
The electricians forums had a couple of recent threads about Checkatrade, which are a balanced read:
Trusted Trader/Bark/MyBuilder/CheckaTrade in a new area
Trust a trader, checkatrade, rated people
I know of heating businesses that have been long established but are on Checkatrade and have been for many years. I also know of plumbers that move to a new area and put themselves on Checkatrade to build up their business.

I don't want to dig up my long post again but I forgot to mention that doing what is easiest also comes into it. If someone comes recommended (or they know of a company), then that is much easier and a shorter route for the consumer to get the job done, without the risk of trying someone "untested". However, not everyone has the ability to ask a friend and so a tradesperson showing work that they have done on Facebook is effectively showing that other people have "tested" them out, but with photographic evidence of their work and they are varied, regular postings. It is far more believable/trustworthy than reading reviews - the consumer can see for themselves.

Riley said:
In my humble opinion I think all customers young and old respond to politeness, punctuality, showing interest in the project or job no matter how small, making at least 5 minutes to have a chat with your customer at the end and explain what you’ve done and why you’ve done it. That to me is far more important than a bells and whistles website or FB page.
I totally agree on that, and it's especially important as you say for repeat business. But how does one "get your foot in the door" in the first instance? Amongst all of the competition out there, how do you ensure that you get the call rather than a competitor. That's what I was trying to give my perspective on as a consumer.
Marketing is showing off, but you are showing off to potential customers. The type of posts I'm referring to on Facebook are aimed at potential customers that do not have the knowledge and understanding as those in the industry do.
The likes of the Instagram video are aimed at showing off to others in the industry.

It is important to separate selling and marketing I only really got to understand this recently.
A small ready established outfit
probably sells its service by reputation and word of mouth and its customers have already made their mind up before they call or know a happy customer
A new or expanding outfit needs to market..which is the facebook type model ..which says ..hello I am out here have a look
There is no right and wrong but you need to understand what you want to do to be effective
Rob Foster aka centralheatking
You are exactly right and have put that very well Rob. Basically, a consumer would think, why should I pay sole-trader X, whom I don't know at all, versus X company whom I have heard of? And then it comes back to the issue of trust and back to my long post.

As you say Rob, Checkatrade and Facebook is only of use if you need to become established or expand - ie. market to those that are not reached via word of mouth. If you are already at the stage that you have enough work through word of mouth then you have to consider if you want to have the associated upkeep of such sites. They could still be of advantage to you or they could be a hindrance.

In the case of @Harvest Fields for example then, unless you wish to expand, by "onboarding" your existing clients to write you Facebook reviews, there seems to be little point in you setting up a Facebook page as you are doing fine. I've been thinking about why your customers may be asking you to setup a Facebook page Harvest Fields and I just think that it is because customers can see that your work is extremely good and feel that you should be showcasing it/yourself so that they can refer their Facebook friends to you via it.
But this can be done with a website that has a number of photos on it and customers can refer that way - there is no need to build up the same level of trust with a word of mouth referral.
Another reason could be effort - customers can easily Mention you on Facebook and it is easy for them to make a referral. But this puts the burden on you to have a Facebook page, unless you were happy with it just being a holding page with your contact details.
Having a Facebook page also opens you up to another issue - Facebook messaging - I wouldn't want to start getting into Facebook messaging over some complex issue. Rather pick up the phone - I'm sure you would too. I suppose it can be dealt with by just asking the customer to call you - but it's another app to have on your phone so that you don't miss any messages.

I apologise in advance, I don't mean to tread on anyone's toes, I am just trying to be helpful. 🙂
 
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@JasetheMace Oh, I'm so relieved and pleased that you have found my advice helpful. 🙂
If I may suggest something else?
Ask your customers (especially new enquiries) "Have you checked out my facebook page?" and see their response. Ask them to follow you if you feel comfortable about it (they may do so without being asked).
2 things will come out of that question: 1. They may follow you and build up your network. 2. You are doing some market research and you may find that people have already checked you out but you just didn't know about it.

When I call people up, I try and tell people where I found them to help them know where their leads are coming from.

Like your colleagues have said, I also don't think that Facebook advertising (paid for adverts that is) would attract the type of customers that you would want by the sounds of things. I don't know how much Facebook advertising costs, but if it were me, and I know that it is controversial amongst the trades, but I see it from a consumer's point of view here, I would put the money into Checkatrade rather.
The electricians forums had a couple of recent threads about Checkatrade, which are a balanced read:
Trusted Trader/Bark/MyBuilder/CheckaTrade in a new area
Trust a trader, checkatrade, rated people
I know of heating businesses that have been long established but are on Checkatrade and have been for many years. I also know of plumbers that move to a new area and put themselves on Checkatrade to build up their business.

I don't want to dig up my long post again but I forgot to mention that doing what is easiest also comes into it. If someone comes recommended (or they know of a company), then that is much easier and a shorter route for the consumer to get the job done, without the risk of trying someone "untested". However, not everyone has the ability to ask a friend and so a tradesperson showing work that they have done on Facebook is effectively showing that other people have "tested" them out, but with photographic evidence of their work and they are varied, regular postings. It is far more believable/trustworthy than reading reviews - the consumer can see for themselves.


I totally agree on that, and it's especially important as you say for repeat business. But how does one "get your foot in the door" in the first instance? Amongst all of the competition out there, how do you ensure that you get the call rather than a competitor. That's what I was trying to give my perspective on as a consumer.
Marketing is showing off, but you are showing off to potential customers. The type of posts I'm referring to on Facebook are aimed at potential customers that do not have the knowledge and understanding as those in the industry do.
The likes of the Instagram video are aimed at showing off to others in the industry.


You are exactly right and have put that very well Rob. Basically, a consumer would think, why should I pay sole-trader X, whom I don't know at all, versus X company whom I have heard of? And then it comes back to the issue of trust and back to my long post.

As you say Rob, Checkatrade and Facebook is only of use if you need to become established or expand - ie. market to those that are not reached via word of mouth. If you are already at the stage that you have enough work through word of mouth then you have to consider if you want to have the associated upkeep of such sites. They could still be of advantage to you or they could be a hindrance.

In the case of @Harvest Fields for example then, unless you wish to expand, by "onboarding" your existing clients to write you Facebook reviews, there seems to be little point in you setting up a Facebook page as you are doing fine. I've been thinking about why your customers may be asking you to setup a Facebook page Harvest Fields and I just think that it is because customers can see that your work is extremely good and feel that you should be showcasing it/yourself so that they can refer their Facebook friends to you via it.
But this can be done with a website that has a number of photos on it and customers can refer that way - there is no need to build up the same level of trust with a word of mouth referral.
Another reason could be effort - customers can easily Mention you on Facebook and it is easy for them to make a referral. But this puts the burden on you to have a Facebook page, unless you were happy with it just being a holding page with your contact details.
Having a Facebook page also opens you up to another issue - Facebook messaging - I wouldn't want to start getting into Facebook messaging over some complex issue. Rather pick up the phone - I'm sure you would too. I suppose it can be dealt with by just asking the customer to call you - but it's another app to have on your phone so that you don't miss any messages.

I apologise in advance, I don't mean to tread on anyone's toes, I am just trying to be helpful. 🙂
A whole load of great advice, should of mentioned that we have just moved and looking to expand, plus we are already paying a lot of money on other advertising, rather not say which as they all work brilliantly, I have been here 12 months now and not 1 days break. Facebook is part of my expansion plans. Last winter I was doing 12 hour days and only arrived in area 4 months before, this winter I think we will be non stop but not quite enough to take on an engineer full time.
 
A whole load of great advice, should of mentioned that we have just moved and looking to expand, plus we are already paying a lot of money on other advertising, rather not say which as they all work brilliantly, I have been here 12 months now and not 1 days break. Facebook is part of my expansion plans. Last winter I was doing 12 hour days and only arrived in area 4 months before, this winter I think we will be non stop but not quite enough to take on an engineer full time.
I understand how hard it is every day, but it is especially hard during an initial startup or expansion and I take my hat off to you. You seem to be well on your way and I wish you all the best for your future. 🙂
 
Yes, Facebook paid advertising works, and it can be cheaper than Google, it's definitely effective, and less competitive right now. I use it to generate leads and get more bathroom quotes booked in.

Like any form of marketing... you need to have a good follow-up/sales system in place after you get the leads (phone numbers), you need to make sure you're following up with calls, texts, and emails to get that quote booked in.

This is a screenshot of an advertising campaign I used on social media, the goal of the advert is to get potential customers to click on it so they can get a bathroom quote.

Screenshot-2019-07-17-at-12.01.23.png

I'll explain the math in this picture.

$8.40 (£6) is the average cost of a new contact/lead who clicked the advert

Out of all the people that click the advert to claim a quotation... after being put through the qualification process, about 40/50% give me their details (Such as phone number/location).

So it's $16-$20 (£13-£18) is the per lead who gives you a phone number to arrange a quote...

The close rate from quotes given to jobs started is 1 in 3...
So for every 3 quotes, he gets one successful job

That means with this method, one job cost him between $48-$60 (£40-£50)
 
Yes, Facebook paid advertising works, and it can be cheaper than Google, it's definitely effective, and less competitive right now. I use it to generate leads and get more bathroom quotes booked in.

Like any form of marketing... you need to have a good follow-up/sales system in place after you get the leads (phone numbers), you need to make sure you're following up with calls, texts, and emails to get that quote booked in.

This is a screenshot of an advertising campaign I used on social media, the goal of the advert is to get potential customers to click on it so they can get a bathroom quote.

Screenshot-2019-07-17-at-12.01.23.png

I'll explain the math in this picture.

$8.40 (£6) is the average cost of a new contact/lead who clicked the advert

Out of all the people that click the advert to claim a quotation... after being put through the qualification process, about 40/50% give me their details (Such as phone number/location).

So it's $16-$20 (£13-£18) is the per lead who gives you a phone number to arrange a quote...

The close rate from quotes given to jobs started is 1 in 3...
So for every 3 quotes, he gets one successful job

That means with this method, one job cost him between $48-$60 (£40-£50)
Would love to see the advert you use to get that many clicks, I get 3000-5000 views, 1 click and no leads.
 
Would love to see the advert you use to get that many clicks, I get 3000-5000 views, 1 click and no leads.

This is the result of a static image Ad

Are you using video?

What's the goal of your Ad? (specifically)

It sounds like the targeting is off, or the message in the advert isn't congruent with the 'call to action'.

Send me a link to your advert and i'll check it over for you
 
Yes, Facebook paid advertising works, and it can be cheaper than Google, it's definitely effective, and less competitive right now. I use it to generate leads and get more bathroom quotes booked in.

Like any form of marketing... you need to have a good follow-up/sales system in place after you get the leads (phone numbers), you need to make sure you're following up with calls, texts, and emails to get that quote booked in.

This is a screenshot of an advertising campaign I used on social media, the goal of the advert is to get potential customers to click on it so they can get a bathroom quote.

Screenshot-2019-07-17-at-12.01.23.png

I'll explain the math in this picture.

$8.40 (£6) is the average cost of a new contact/lead who clicked the advert

Out of all the people that click the advert to claim a quotation... after being put through the qualification process, about 40/50% give me their details (Such as phone number/location).

So it's $16-$20 (£13-£18) is the per lead who gives you a phone number to arrange a quote...

The close rate from quotes given to jobs started is 1 in 3...
So for every 3 quotes, he gets one successful job

That means with this method, one job cost him between $48-$60 (£40-£50)

So every customer costs £40-50??? And every lead costs $8??? That's not good advertising that's extortion. I use a magazine and that's £150 for 3 months and I get around 2/3 calls a week from them this time of year during the winter make that 7/8.

The only company winning from your post is facebook.
 
So every customer costs £40-50??? And every lead costs $8??? That's not good advertising that's extortion. I use a magazine and that's £150 for 3 months and I get around 2/3 calls a week from them this time of year during the winter make that 7/8.

The only company winning from your post is facebook.
So you add £40 to every new customers bill to make them pay for you doing their work
plain stupid wake up
 
So every customer costs £40-50??? And every lead costs $8??? That's not good advertising that's extortion. I use a magazine and that's £150 for 3 months and I get around 2/3 calls a week from them this time of year during the winter make that 7/8.

The only company winning from your post is facebook.

when you profit £4000/5000 on each bathroom fitted, it's a pretty good return on investment
 
So every customer costs £40-50??? And every lead costs $8??? That's not good advertising that's extortion. I use a magazine and that's £150 for 3 months and I get around 2/3 calls a week from them this time of year during the winter make that 7/8.

The only company winning from your post is facebook.


What magazine are you using?
 
Yea right come back in 10 years and tell us how we all got it wrong...Bathstore went **** up and kitchen and bathroom outfits come go bankrupt all the time even more often than shopfitters..and they are notorious
chking
 
Maybe 2k labour but materials and other items come out of the pot aswell

I’m sorry but that figure is rubbish

He's not including labour because he's doing it himself. Even if he wasn't and everything was outsourced and he was just the business owner paying for advertising, and the cost of good sold and labour came to £4k, it would still be £2/3k profit.

How many times would you spend less than £60? or even £100/£200/£300 if you could get £2/3k back each time?

Anyway, the point of this comment was just to let you's know that Facebook advertising can work for your business if used correctly. Just like any other marketing methods you may see, they're all a source to gain more customers.
 
He's not including labour because he's doing it himself. Even if he wasn't and everything was outsourced and he was just the business owner paying for advertising, and the cost of good sold and labour came to £4k, it would still be £2/3k profit.

How many times would you spend less than £60? or even £100/£200/£300 if you could get £2/3k back each time?

Anyway, the point of this comment was just to let you's know that Facebook advertising can work for your business if used correctly. Just like any other marketing methods you may see, they're all a source to gain more customers.

So it’s still costing him as I very doubt he’s working for free if he is I’m sure a lot of people on here would want his number

And what about insurances, tools, Van, fuel, memberships, tax man etc

And wouldn’t as nothing’s that easy in this life pay £60 get 3k in cash
 
What do you do for a job max?

I run Facebook ads for businesses that want to get more customers.

Mainly for bathroom supply and installation businesses, but also for kitchens, extensions, and landscaping, it's the same method for all of them.
 
I run Facebook ads for businesses that want to get more customers.

Mainly for bathroom supply and installation businesses, but also for kitchens, extensions, and landscaping, it's the same method for all of them.

I thought so.

To me it is stupidly expensive but I dobt do top end bathrooms as I dobt do tiling and cant get reliable trades near me.

I just use local magazines and find them cost effective and do not break the bank.
 
Every business new and old needs to advertise in good times and bad. That might just mean sign written vans or flyers Or it might mean a huge TV/internet campaign depending on what the business is.

People buy brands they trust and people trust brands they recognise.

I’ve had success in the past with social media by directing people to a booking form on my website. The form asked a few questions, allowed the upload photos and gave some indication of price range for jobs. They then had an option to schedule a visit for a quote. This helps massively weed out those wanting a new heating system for £750.

The advantage of social media is it attracts younger people, if you can secure a 25-30 year old as a customer you have a chance of 40 years of work from them. If your adds mainly target retired people this will obviously be a lot less.
 
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I found FB, Instagram etc a waste of time really just lots of time wasters looking for cheapest price possible.

Whereas I find good website and google presence much better. I get a lot of work from it but I always request a google review from customers.
 
I found FB, Instagram etc a waste of time really just lots of time wasters looking for cheapest price possible.

Whereas I find good website and google presence much better. I get a lot of work from it but I always request a google review from customers.
I think there is a distinct difference between selling and marketing.
Small outfits go out and sell directly. Large outfits will market as well, marketing alerts the potential customers who might buy.
centralheatking
 

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