Flexis to pipe up bath

[village idiot]

Under no circumstance will I fit a flexi under a bath. For a start, I have seen the damage they can cause over time, especially the hot side of it. If I quote for a bath tap replacement, then on removing the panel, find that the current taps are fitted with flexi, I curse my luck and redo in copper pipe but just foot the extra labour cost. In some cases, I tell the customer in advance that if I find flexis are fitted, I will charge extra to replace.
Even when I am fitting monobloc taps that come with flexis, I replace the tails with copper ones most of the time.

the image you see, is a bath tap fitted in Battersea, using a flexi on a gravity system fed from a CWSC. Not surprisingly, the cold tap takes for ever to fill. Now, if a copper pipe had been used, it would have leaked like HELL and flooded the flat below. So why not use a flexi? What a joke

 

[sheff paul]

Flexi all the time. How long do you want to be lying on your back fluffing around!

are all thease ''anti flexi'' plumbers still wearing bib and brace overalls,eating tallow sandwhiches,and bragging about the last joint they wiped...



can i start a FLEXI APPRECIATION SOCIETY

 

[sheff paul]

Under no circumstance will I fit a flexi under a bath. For a start, I have seen the damage they can cause over time, especially the hot side of it. If I quote for a bath tap replacement, then on removing the panel, find that the current taps are fitted with flexi, I curse my luck and redo in copper pipe but just foot the extra labour cost. In some cases, I tell the customer in advance that if I find flexis are fitted, I will charge extra to replace.
Even when I am fitting monobloc taps that come with flexis, I replace the tails with copper ones most of the time.

View attachment 16052 the image you see, is a bath tap fitted in Battersea, using a flexi on a gravity system fed from a CWSC. Not surprisingly, the cold tap takes for ever to fill. Now, if a copper pipe had been used, it would have leaked like HELL and flooded the flat below. So why not use a flexi? What a joke

if a crap plumber cannot fit a flexi they have no hope in copper,good plumbers fit flexi's properly no tension or kinks and have few problems .

 

[Veggie Dave]

it isn't about my ego it's about my professional integrity and my endeavour to do the job to the best of my ability

And yet you've limited the material options for absolutely no reason, instantly reducing the different options for installation. I can't count the number of times a simple job has been an utter nightmare because someone has fitted a shower or bath with no thought for future repairs or replacement.

Sorry, but closing your mind to all the different options open to the professional plumber makes absolutely no sense. I very rarely use braided hosing, but only because it's not the right tool for that job.

 

[Veggie Dave]

View attachment 16052 the image you see, is a bath tap fitted in Battersea, using a flexi on a gravity system fed from a CWSC. Not surprisingly, the cold tap takes for ever to fill. Now, if a copper pipe had been used, it would have leaked like HELL and flooded the flat below. So why not use a flexi? What a joke

So, you don't use anything that can potentially be fitted by an idiot? Is the problem with the install in that image caused by the component used or the dribbling idiot that fitted it?

 

[nickelarsed]

Usually when a flexi fails it's because it's fitted wrong. That's not the fault of the flexi. I fit whatever comes in the box, or in copper if nothing is supplied because I don't think it makes much difference, unless flow is an issue, in which case you clearly don't use them.
If you do it right, it wont leak. The things are everywhere, boilers have them in. Do we all need to go around re piping the insides system and combi boilers? I don't think so.

 

[lame plumber]

inherently flexible pipes will fail, they are made of rubber which will perish long before copper and steel and although the fitter may no longer be trading when it fails, I feel that we should be using something designed to last the course of the building. thats the difference between tradesmen and diy in my opinion and as a tradesman I like to think my work will outlive me.

 

[Kyle87]

Usually when a flexi fails it's because it's fitted wrong. That's not the fault of the flexi. I fit whatever comes in the box, or in copper if nothing is supplied because I don't think it makes much difference, unless flow is an issue, in which case you clearly don't use them.
If you do it right, it wont leak. The things are everywhere, boilers have them in. Do we all need to go around re piping the insides system and combi boilers? I don't think so.

Is there a boiler on the market that is built to last?

 

[nickelarsed]

do you take any flexis out of the inside of any boilers or appliances then? I reckon those flexis will last just as long as the taps they come with.

 

[lame plumber]

boilers seem to have a 7 -8 year design life, copper pipework designed for life, simplees

 

[village idiot]

Usually when a flexi fails it's because it's fitted wrong. That's not the fault of the flexi.

The things are everywhere, boilers have them in. Do we all need to go around re piping the insides system and combi boilers? I don't think so.

not true. why do you think taps with washers are almost always rewashered? And the rubber/material content of tap washers is far more durable than the rubber hoses in braided flexi pipes. The hot tap fitted with braided flexi hose will always certainly fail. It is not whether it will fail. It is when? The cold may last longer, but eventually, it will fail, FACT

As for boilers, what is the average life span of a modern boiler? Bearing that in mind, is it any wonder some boiler manufacturers find the ''need'' to use them? Fit a copper pipe with soldered joints and walk away, job done.

 

[nickelarsed]

Is there a boiler on the market that is built to last?

Fair point. But I bet no one removes them, in fact it's probably a warranty issue if you did. So there's no point pretending that we're not using them. We all do.

 

[village idiot]

boilers seem to have a 7 -8 year design life, copper pipework designed for life, simplees

I see you beat me to it:smoking:

 

[Best]

It is a shame to fit flexis on an all copper plumbing system. You are just putting a weak spot on a plumbing system simply because you want to save 2 or 3 minutes (that's all it should take to bend copper), or because you are not capable of fitting copper pipes.
If you want to use flexis you might as well let the diy person do the job as it is so easy & remember that the customer that looks at what you have done with flexis will correctly assume that they could have done it themselves.

 

[nickelarsed]

not true. why do you think taps with washers are almost always rewashered? And the rubber/material content of tap washers is far more durable than the rubber hoses in braided flexi pipes. The hot tap fitted with braided flexi hose will always certainly fail. It is not whether it will fail. It is when? The cold may last longer, but eventually, it will fail, FACT

As for boilers, what is the average life span of a modern boiler? Bearing that in mind, is it any wonder some boiler manufacturers find the ''need'' to use them? Fit a copper pipe with soldered joints and walk away, job done.

if that's true then were all going to be very busy plumbers for a long time. Because that's a lot of hot taps that are definitely going to fail. As i said I use whatever's in the box and happily use copper. But the idea that flexis are all going to fail doesn't stack up imo.

 

[Mgrant]

Does it matter than most flexis for baths say not suitable for drinking water I know most people won't drink from the bath but it's a possibility.

 

[Best]

Most modern taps won't outlast the flexis - & that's saying something!

 

[lame plumber]

Does it matter than most flexis for baths say not suitable for drinking water I know most people won't drink from the bath but it's a possibility.

this threads all your fault, flexis not the flavour of the month in hospitals since its been proved they harbour legionellas and other bugs!

 

[Kyle87]

Fair point. But I bet no one removes them, in fact it's probably a warranty issue if you did. So there's no point pretending that we're not using them. We all do.

That's a bit of a daft comment. Why would you remove the flexi from a boiler. If it fails its boiler manufacturers problem.

I use flexis. I don't touch speedfit. We all have our own things that we do.

But talking about modifying an appliance because people don't like flexis even in a hypothetical sense is a bit silly

 

[Ray Stafford]

Useless statistic of the week:

For every 100m of copper tube we sell, we also sell 5.7 flexis.

 

[Kyle87]

Useless statistic of the week:

For every 100m of copper tube we sell, we also sell 5.7 flexis.

Who in the right mind asks for .7 of a flexi??

🙂

 

[Ray Stafford]

Who in the right mind asks for .7 of a flexi??

🙂

Thats the person who asks for a 30% disc..... nope, I can't make myself say that word. 🙂

 

[nickelarsed]

That's a bit of a daft comment. Why would you remove the flexi from a boiler. If it fails its boiler manufacturers problem.

I use flexis. I don't touch speedfit. We all have our own things that we do.

But talking about modifying an appliance because people don't like flexis even in a hypothetical sense is a bit silly

Wasn't suggesting anyone should or would do it hypothetically or otherwise. That wasn't the point,. but whatever, each to their own.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Who in the right mind asks for .7 of a flexi??

🙂

For that matter, who asks for 100m of tube?

 

[Kyle87]

For that matter, who asks for 100m of tube?

Who's got a rhino carrier that long anyway

 

[Mgrant]

Are drinking water approved flexi's not required for baths then?

 

[village idiot]

Are drinking water approved flexi's not required for baths then?

are you planning on fitting one?

 

[snowhead]

Most modern taps won't outlast the flexis - & that's saying something!

When Ceramic 1/4 turn came out "They" said that would be the end of changing washers.
They were correct, it's the taps that now get changed because there are too many different and unknown types of Ceramic cartridge.

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

if you fit flexies that are not supplied with the tap because its quicker you are are not a real plumber man up and do it in copper you bunch of fanny's

 

[Howsie]

boilers seem to have a 7 -8 year design life, copper pipework designed for life, simplees

You're fitting the wrong boilers.

 

[kay-jay]

Are drinking water approved flexi's not required for baths then?

depends how thirsty you are...:smoking:

 

[sheff paul]

if you fit flexies that are not supplied with the tap because its quicker you are are not a real plumber man up and do it in copper you bunch of fanny's

Bib and brace alert...

 

[WaterTight]

Most modern taps won't outlast the flexis - & that's saying something!

that's why i'm not worried that i install flexi's. even brands like bristan are failing after a year or two now. change flexi's when you change taps, problem solved.

unless anyone genuinely suspects a resurgance in build quality for taps is due.

 

[kirkgas]

if you fit flexies that are not supplied with the tap because its quicker you are are not a real plumber man up and do it in copper you bunch of fanny's

Oh the "EGO POLICE" will be onto you when they see this

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

Oh the "EGO POLICE" will be onto you when they see this

probably but they may find i dont care :sleeping: