I don't think there is a plumber in the land that doesn't think that this Eco and greendeal could be done better I think it has been set up to make the big companies richer and the sole trader small businesses out of business but what can we do? We either all do the pas 2030 or all get together and try and do something about it any ideas ?
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Ray Stafford
I don't think this is deliberate - its a side-effect of the way governments work.
Step 1) - some politician decides on a desirable programme to help old/poor people or to save the planet.
Step 2) - a civil servant is delegated to make the programme work
Step 3) - since the civil servant has absolutely zero knowledge of how boiler installations work (which is fair enough) he/she decides to consult with "the industry".
Step 4) - so who represents "the industry". You? Me? Bod, Croppie or Gas-man? Of course not, we are way too busy earning a living. The people who get "consulted with" are the firms who are big enough to retain lobbying and PR consultants, and those who make their living like parasites on the industry by creating new approvals/training courses/registration systems etc. I hate this latter group like a methodist preacher hates the demon drink.
Step 5) - a poorly thought out programme results, where the financial incentives work in favour of the large firms, but against a quality installation, but the paper trail gives a fig leaf of "quality management" to the whole thing.
Step 6) - don't worry, because the politician who made the decision in step 1 has either been reshuffled to another department, or their party is no longer in power.
Step 7) - go to step 1.
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Ray: Problem solved 🙂
Why don't you do what Gafton etc have done.
i.e. become a Green Deal Provider and act as the body in the middle. There are already independent networks of GDA's that provide the other bits, deal is simple, they MUST buy their materials through you for these projects. You do all the eco paperwork, they do what they are good at, quality installs. (you have the PAS203, to be a subbies they don;t need to be)
Jobs a good'un 🙂
Why don't you do what Gafton etc have done.
i.e. become a Green Deal Provider and act as the body in the middle. There are already independent networks of GDA's that provide the other bits, deal is simple, they MUST buy their materials through you for these projects. You do all the eco paperwork, they do what they are good at, quality installs. (you have the PAS203, to be a subbies they don;t need to be)
Jobs a good'un 🙂
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Ray Stafford
Hi Worcester. We did look at that, but decided that we lacked the resources to do it properly at the moment. We may come back to it later. However, that really isn't the point. If we were to do that, we would still just be making the best of a badly constructed scheme.
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Ermintrude
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Ray Stafford
I think he meant Grafton group - the owners of Plumbase, Buildbase etc.
Any one got any info on who it is best to subbie to best rates and best for paying there bills I have already been bumped 30k from doing subbie work so don't like it but they way things are I don't see the choices we have it's either go large and take people on or stay sole trader and go subbie
I did an install Friday, am not pas2030 just subbie the work.
the paperwork I had to do was a proper ballache, taking photos of all kinds for £160 after tax has been taking off.
I'd hate to be running the show, the paperwork an waiting on payment must be head wrecking
the paperwork I had to do was a proper ballache, taking photos of all kinds for £160 after tax has been taking off.
I'd hate to be running the show, the paperwork an waiting on payment must be head wrecking
Jah heating did you power flush for that what boiler did you fit and was it combi to combi cheers
No, just a hot an cold flush that's all that's asked.
an I mini an they fit vokera aswell.
i got given a wireless stat to fit which I didn't do, it had no fuse spur.
They feeling I got was they just want them lashing it, the more the better.
im glad am getting out of this game to be honest
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smtplumbing
the main thing is tho all the boiler warranty is invalid so is that not a good thing for us, if a boiler breaks down they will not repair it, next year is going to be fun, how many landlord boilers will we need to shut down because of under gased etc,
These jobs are turning into a nightmare i have been to one where a john guest fitting on the hot blew of a 22mm imperial pipe they said not there fault none of the fittings where tightened
These jobs are turning into a nightmare i have been to one where a john guest fitting on the hot blew of a 22mm imperial pipe they said not there fault none of the fittings where tightened
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jase158
I agree with ray, it's all about saving the planet, politicians don't really care how it's done as long as it is done and it isn't paid for by the government!
No it's not, the planet will save itself, it might kill off all the humans in the process, guaranteed though we won't kill it, just ourselves! Every other animal will adapt 🙂
It's about politics.
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Ermintrude
Been calling around about doing subbie work rang a guy that said back boiler to combi fitting vokera vision he has terms that gets him them all in for £695 you buy the pack and fit it then he pays you £1000 I unintentionally laughed down the phone he said is wrong we have loads of plumbers doing it can't believe it pipe fitting got to be at least £100 then boiler flue filter £695 that leaves the grand sum of £205 who is working for that £100 a day asda is looking stacking shelves with no responsibility
I get £300 combi to combi and £500 BBU to combi, they supply boiler flue clock etc I need to supply pipe etc, I get to keep scrap. If the gas upgrade is more than 6m then they pay for extra pipe.
for each combi swap its not going to be anywhere near more than £50 for materials and diesel so I'm looking at £250 per day there abouts which is not a bad wage. If I could get my own installs to keep me goiing I would do that any day of the week plus any of my own work would be priority to the subby work.
If you buy in bulk then there is money to be made, maybe not as much as you could working for yourself but unless you are established and known around the area then that would be hard! especially if you are new in a big city
for each combi swap its not going to be anywhere near more than £50 for materials and diesel so I'm looking at £250 per day there abouts which is not a bad wage. If I could get my own installs to keep me goiing I would do that any day of the week plus any of my own work would be priority to the subby work.
If you buy in bulk then there is money to be made, maybe not as much as you could working for yourself but unless you are established and known around the area then that would be hard! especially if you are new in a big city
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hitch61
This scheme will end up just like the warmfront scheme with 1000s of boiler s be fitted that are 3rd rate installs and permantly beaking down. the manufacters are working on the fact that if people cant afford to have the boilers installed in the first place they wont afford to service them, thus warranties are null & void.
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