I have on many occasions. I had one 2 weeks ago, had only one place for the boiler, upstairs A/C, had to put flue out horizontal which was close to a window opening onto it as it was a huge 1 pane window that opened right out. SO I fitted a pluming kit and all was fine, no probs with clearances and no danger of POC getting in as I ran it 1m away.
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Don't know about you lot, but plume kit or not, I wouldn't sleep easily knowing there's a flue 150mm from my window. Or 300 if I'm honest. Yes we all have occasions when things are tight, and you have to fit within your legal limits. However I always try and make the distances between flue terminals and openings as big as possible. For my piece of mind.
I looked at a boiler late last year that conformed to all legal clearances. However due to the location of the window (about 350mm from flue terminal) and the front door, a wind tunnel effect was happening. Pulling POC's into the property.
I was called to repair the boiler, and complete a CP12. I advised the landlord to permanently seal off the window, which he did. Only then was I happy to sign it off. Despite the fact that another engineer who is more cavalier would have signed it off as it was.
In short, yes conform to the legal clearances, but also use your loaf, and ask yourself, would I go to sleep in that room, with that flue so close to the window? Would I let my children sleep in that room? If the answer is no. Then don't do it. Most people will be grateful for your integrity.
I looked at a boiler late last year that conformed to all legal clearances. However due to the location of the window (about 350mm from flue terminal) and the front door, a wind tunnel effect was happening. Pulling POC's into the property.
I was called to repair the boiler, and complete a CP12. I advised the landlord to permanently seal off the window, which he did. Only then was I happy to sign it off. Despite the fact that another engineer who is more cavalier would have signed it off as it was.
In short, yes conform to the legal clearances, but also use your loaf, and ask yourself, would I go to sleep in that room, with that flue so close to the window? Would I let my children sleep in that room? If the answer is no. Then don't do it. Most people will be grateful for your integrity.
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kirkgas
generally the MI will say 300mm from ay opening in a building eg a window or a door, but remember that also means the wee plastic slot vents you get between the vertical joints in bricks on facing brick walls, and also remember it tells you to comply with BS5440-1, which is where the 150mm to the fabric opening is found
But the regulations are here to help us, A Corgi Inspector told me that if the flue was letting POC into the window it must therefore be open, then it will then be drawing in more than enough fresh air in to cancel the fumes. Makes sense I suppose.
Why would you not trust a pluming kit?? You can then take it metres away if you want.
Why would you not trust a pluming kit?? You can then take it metres away if you want.
But they also say you can fit a pluming kit if you are less than the 300mm so who is correct?
I have fitted many and surveyed many on numerous contacts when less than 300mm from door or openable window and never had any trouble, all inspectors advise this rather than moving boiler position.
I have fitted many and surveyed many on numerous contacts when less than 300mm from door or openable window and never had any trouble, all inspectors advise this rather than moving boiler position.
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Well, like I say, I use my gut on a lot of decisions. I have had my business partner say that I was being over cautious. Each to their own. I'm practically an insomniac as it is. The last thing I need is to be up at night worrying about a boiler I installed that day.
But why would you worry? you have fitted the boiler to what is says, it is this distance for a reason.
Dont worry about flue being 300mm from a window where it might go into the room, how about a flueless fire?? If these are allowed I would never worry about a flue ever again.
Dont worry about flue being 300mm from a window where it might go into the room, how about a flueless fire?? If these are allowed I would never worry about a flue ever again.
Here's a boiler I replaced last year. Concealed flue, running through the ceiling void. Various faults with the boiler (leaking HEX, and more). So when they asked me to replace it, I said I wasn't really happy about running a long concealed flue (with access panels) and then terminating the flue here. First photo shows the old boilers terminations (nice - not) then you can see up the shaft.This shaft is surrounded by windows into the various flats on all four sides. Where I took the picture from is a no mans land. Locked with a FB1 key, and used only to access the flues. Windows on all fours sides, and only about 8ft X 8ft.
I managed to convince the customer an electric flow boiler was a better option as it was a rented out, one bedroom flat. No more yearly CP12's and reduced servicing costs. Plus I don't need to worry that some one might be breathing fumes from a boiler that I installed.
I managed to convince the customer an electric flow boiler was a better option as it was a rented out, one bedroom flat. No more yearly CP12's and reduced servicing costs. Plus I don't need to worry that some one might be breathing fumes from a boiler that I installed.
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ryangas
are you saying that to measure the distance of the flue from the opening you put your tape at the window edge and take it to the end of the flue and measure that distance ?
Oh and for those of you who are keen eyed, you'll see the flue from the flat above, is practically next to the bathroom extractor fan. Doesn't matter to me that an extractor fan will blow air from the bathroom out, it's still an opening and therefore is also too close to the flue termination.
This block of flats (about 8 flats) has had 6 boiler ID's or AR's. Two from me. I've changed three boilers in the building in total. BG changed 2 others. Two of the boilers I changed to electric flow Amptec boilers. The other a WB with plume kit.
It was terrible, I found one flue which was patched with a coke bottle and duct tape. Another that run through the property above, and was spilling (in the little girls bedroom who lived in the flat above).
Nearly all Keston boilers, fitted by a (at the time) Corgi registered engineer.
This block of flats (about 8 flats) has had 6 boiler ID's or AR's. Two from me. I've changed three boilers in the building in total. BG changed 2 others. Two of the boilers I changed to electric flow Amptec boilers. The other a WB with plume kit.
It was terrible, I found one flue which was patched with a coke bottle and duct tape. Another that run through the property above, and was spilling (in the little girls bedroom who lived in the flat above).
Nearly all Keston boilers, fitted by a (at the time) Corgi registered engineer.
The Manufacturer is king here as is mentioned time and time again.
Worcester allow you to have the flue 150mm from an opening as long as the Plume kit is fitted and exhausting at least 300mm from the opening.
I still do not agree with it myself and would always endevour to have the standard flue at least 300mm from any opening, but if was really no other option it may be done.
Worcester allow you to have the flue 150mm from an opening as long as the Plume kit is fitted and exhausting at least 300mm from the opening.
I still do not agree with it myself and would always endevour to have the standard flue at least 300mm from any opening, but if was really no other option it may be done.
Take reading from the edge of the brick not the glass, then to the outside of the flue in a straight line not on an angle to the outlet. Imagine the tape is up against the wall not angled out.
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ryangas
sorry to go back to this guys but think about it if you measure from the center of the flue it makes no difference what the diameter of the flue is you are always measuring from the same point
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ryangas
so if you measure from the center it is always from the same point which it isnt always the same point if measuring from the outside edge of the flue is it ?
It means the flue is always 300mm away, doing it your way it wouldnt be would it??
Different size flues.
Going from the centre you would have to make it differnt lenghts for differnt flue sizes, plus how can you measure it correctly as the centre sticks out firther from the wall. Hence measuring on a straight line to the oputer edge of the flue.
Different size flues.
Going from the centre you would have to make it differnt lenghts for differnt flue sizes, plus how can you measure it correctly as the centre sticks out firther from the wall. Hence measuring on a straight line to the oputer edge of the flue.
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ryangas
it is for the poc so the center of the flue i would of thought im not saying your wrong btw if im corrected i like to know that its concrete so i know i should change the way i do things
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ryangas
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