ideal logic plus or ideal vogue

[Ray Stafford]

Cheers, the plumber does not mind whether i purchase or if he purchases the boiler

What he prefers wasn't really the point of my post.

Its what you prefer, and what is in your best interest.

If you buy the boiler, and he fits it, if the worst happens and there are problems, the you have two different contracts.

Non-plumbing people tend to think about a boiler as if it was a stand-alone item, like a fridge or a washing machine, and that it's warranty can be enforced as a stand-alone thing.

However, your boiler is just one component in the larger system that is your heating and hot water. This creates quite a lot of potential uncertainty if there are problems. Is it a boiler problem? Is it a system problem? Is it a combination of the two?

If your plumber has supplied and fitted, you only have one contract, and it becomes his problem. If you supply and he fits, then you have created a whole new grey area that didn't exist before.

 

[ash121]

What he prefers wasn't really the point of my post.

Its what you prefer, and what is in your best interest.

If you buy the boiler, and he fits it, if the worst happens and there are problems, the you have two different contracts.

Non-plumbing people tend to think about a boiler as if it was a stand-alone item, like a fridge or a washing machine, and that it's warranty can be enforced as a stand-alone thing.

However, your boiler is just one component in the larger system that is your heating and hot water. This creates quite a lot of potential uncertainty if there are problems. Is it a boiler problem? Is it a system problem? Is it a combination of the two?

If your plumber has supplied and fitted, you only have one contract, and it becomes his problem. If you supply and he fits, then you have created a whole new grey area that didn't exist before.

I understand your point, I shall discuss this with the installer, cheers

 

[ash121]

If u get logic 30 buy one of their inbuilt remote control timer stats as although I wouldn't normally advocate built in the ldeal ones come with same warranty as boiler!

We shall be purchasing the honeywell cm927 thermostat

 

[ash121]

Forgot to mention, Not sure if it is relevant or will cause problems with the boiler..

the kitchen, bathroom and bedrooms have microbore pipework for the CH and the 2 living rooms are 15mm pipework

Will this be an issue for the boiler in any way?

the plan in the future is to upgrade the pipework to 15mm

 

[Ermintrude]

We shall be purchasing the honeywell cm927 thermostat

I would buy two as the first one will be broken in 3 - 5 years!

 

[ash121]

I would buy two as the first one will be broken in 3 - 5 years!

Why? is there a problem with them?

 

[Ermintrude]

Many people will swear blind they are the dogs, but I had a spate about 4 weeks ago where I changed 7 or 8 in about 3 days. All with dead or dying screens. Get a few here and there. Siemens is a guaranteed event every 2.5 to 3 years. Manufacturers gear is their problem
And has a full warranty it's a bit like you buying and him fitting. If it's all in the boiler it's all ideals problem.

 

[ash121]

Many people will swear blind they are the dogs, but I had a spate about 4 weeks ago where I changed 7 or 8 in about 3 days. All with dead or dying screens. Get a few here and there. Siemens is a guaranteed event every 2.5 to 3 years. Manufacturers gear is their problem
And has a full warranty it's a bit like you buying and him fitting. If it's all in the boiler it's all ideals problem.

True say the cm927 looks like a great unit, will consider fitting the inbuilt timer...

as some of my pipework is microbore will that be a problem for the boiler?

Forgot to mention, Not sure if it is relevant or will cause problems with the boiler..

the kitchen, bathroom and bedrooms have microbore pipework for the CH and the 2 living rooms are 15mm pipework

Will this be an issue for the boiler in any way?

the plan in the future is to upgrade the pipework to 15mm

 

[Ermintrude]

Fit a magnetic filter ( my pref is Mmagnaclean) there is absolutely no need to change micro-bore. Save your money for a holiday or something u actually need or want, not what some blabber said u need!

 

[ash121]

Fit a magnetic filter ( my pref is Mmagnaclean) there is absolutely no need to change micro-bore. Save your money for a holiday or something u actually need or want, not what some blabber said u need!

Cheers, was considering a magnetic filter too though the trappex centramag rather than the magnaclean

 

[Jimbob]

Cheers, was considering a magnetic filter too though the trappex centramag rather than the magnaclean

My preference is also Magnaclean pro 2, they seem to pick up a lot more in my experience

 

[TBServices]

Magnaclean Pro 2 is better value than trappex if bought as the chemical pack IMHO.

Easier to fit and better quality.

 

[ash121]

Magnaclean Pro 2 is better value than trappex if bought as the chemical pack IMHO.

Easier to fit and better quality.

As there are so many different magnetic filters out there, is the magnaclean pro 2 the best out there currently on the market?

 

[TBServices]

As there are so many different magnetic filters out there, is the magnaclean pro 2 the best out there currently on the market?

In my opinion yes. That said, that has a lot to do with how easy and well thought out it is for the installer.

 

[Tizak]

Could anyone give me an update as to how they are finding the Ideal Vogue and whether you think it is worth the extra few hundred more than the Logic 30KW. I am looking at having one of these two fitted but am a bit unsure as to which is the best.:dizzy2: Thanks in advance.

 

[Roger Welton]

Fitted a few vogues, very nice boiler.

 

[Ermintrude]

Vogue is quieter and a lot nicer. Functionally 10% better.

It's like comparing a vw and Audi. Both the same car but if you can afford it get the Audi!

 

[smtplumbing]

I prefer the vogue top class boiler, high end boiler with 7 years warranty and user friendly and installer friendly

 

[TBServices]

Lovely lovely vogue. Do it if you can afford it.... Unless you want it to go in a 400 wall unit

 

[Tizak]

Thanks for the advice everyone, I did ask the chap who is going to put the boiler in for his advice (he has the Logic in his home) and he wasn't sure the extra money I'd need to pay for the vogue would be worth it although he did say the Vogue is a lovely boiler; I think he was probably trying to save me some money but I'd rather pay a bit more if it's worth it; awkward some of us customers eh:lol:

 

[TBServices]

Good choice. Nice to see some isn't scared of paying for quality.

The biggest advantage of the vogue would be the stainless steel heat exchanger, and it will modulate exceptionally low, which should save you gas.

 

[Plumbcrazy56]

I love the Logic +, fitted one at home and recommend them to all my customers for ease of use, size and reliability.