JIB Do not recognise City & Guilds without NVQ

[dom brennan]

The guy I work with has a first year apprentice with him one day a week. He was talking about an assessment fitting a sink , they used speed fit and were given 8 hours to complete?

that sounds about right, we had 8 or 12 hours to fit a rad and pipe it up

 

[stratplus]

that sounds about right, we had 8 or 12 hours to fit a rad and pipe it up

Wow, was that all in lcs?

 

[dom brennan]

yeah 1 meter of lcs going up and then joining to push fit then lcs tee of to the flow and return on the rad with only 1 offset.

 

[newcastle phill]

And theres the Rub.

No college based courses are full nvq unless apprenticeship sponsored or explicitly stated at the outset.
They are Gnvq.
Im surprised the college lecturer didnt know that or at least make mention.
The Nvq is the full Qual comes after working onsite which is typically extra cost and made clear at the outset.

Only then do you have the full recognised cert.

So much negativity about people trying to enter the game.
And assumptions that every newby must have been born yesterday and incapable of doing the job.

Sure colleges are out to rape you. But isnt gas safe and benchmark. I.e.e and every other fecker.

I currently work with the insides of jet aircraft engines dont like it particularly (because its shift work). Doing inspections and tests.
Have a history of repairs and fault diagnostics from earlier days.
Im not super man - but thats good because being a plumber doesnt require a caped super hero.
My job is heavily assessed by the CAA and various other auditors - we cant afford jet engines going bang and falling apart 36000ft up.
Im not so self assured to presume that 80% of the people on here would be rubbish and no good at it and couldnt pick it up and learn. To the contrary I am quite sure most could !!

Or I could be arrogant and make blanket statements like "everyone new will be sh*t and useless and not to be trusted doing the job"

This isnt aimed at you. I am talking generally.

Please SOME . Hop of your pedestal for a minute and give yourself a slap.
Get a bit fed up of people in their ivory towers saying new entrants will be worse that sh@t. Because guess what.....one day YOU were too. But through training and experience and doing courses are now good within your scope.

Sure its a steep learning curve. Not everyone has the same ability or previous experience.

But some qualified engineers I have seen I wouldnt let them wash my car......'need a new boiler...ya need a new boiler. ..ye need a new boiler...... Others a great deal of respect and very very good....."aah yes I can fix this" lol

 

[chris watkins]

I am looking for a change (no pension & getting bored etc etc) so how about a job swap phill ?(once I get a ladder to get down from the tower of coarse).
I am sure jet aircraft engines are not that difficult, mostly pipes & wires so with my background it would only take short while to get the hang of it.

Have a look at the link below phill, it's for the Plumbing qualification we have been talking about in this post, you known the one that is recognized by industry, you will notice it is an NVQ.

[DLMURL="http://www.cityandguilds.com/courses-and-qualifications/building-services-industry/plumbing/6189-plumbing-and-domestic-heating/level-2"]Level 2 qualifications and training courses | City & Guilds[/DLMURL]

That's the trouble you see there are a lot of people who fancy a change in life & think plumbing would be a good bet without finding out what it really entails or just how difficult it is.

Get your facts right if you want to have a go.
Signed -
The caped super hero :alucard:

 

[newcastle phill]

College only based level 2 level 3 is a tech cert only and known as a Gnvq.

The full NVQ is portfolio based onsite.
Without completing the onsite work the college based work is worthless hence why JIB dont want to know and so many on here ask for the onsite work assistance in return for offering a free pair of hands to convert to the full NVQ

And jet engines are a doddle.
Just big lumps of titanium and inconel made into big spinney round thingys 😉
Bring your hammer - you start Monday. ..

 

[newcastle phill]

Chris we are both saying the same thing.
Rant not aimed at you 🙂

 

[chris watkins]

And jet engines are a doddle.
Just big lumps of titanium and inconel made into big spinney round thingys 😉
Bring your hammer - you start Monday. ..

Cheers phill, I am good with hammer.
Although I think you had better just let the pilots know!!

 

[rpm]

Pilots report in maintenance log
"Strange noise, sounds like a midget with a hammer"

Maintenance Engineer in maintenance log
"Hammer removed from midget"

 

[Ermintrude]

Phil u still up for some on site in September? I've got cherry and strawberry flavoured lube?

 

[newcastle phill]

Guy. In a word yes !.

Not so sure about the lube though...
Prefer vanilla pmsl...:thumbup:

 

[julesverne]

Plumbing and Heating isn't rocket science but inspecting jet engines is not far off it.

said with tongue firmly in cheek.

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

The idea behind the only recognised plumbing qualification (C&G 6189) introduced a couple of years ago was that it was an NVQ qualification i.e. you had to be working, not just a classroom test, you combined work based learning with college.

I am sorry EastLondon but you don't know much about Plumbing if you think that you can learn enough about the trade to hold a card & work on site from just a college course!!

The trouble is that so much revenue was being lost by the colleges that they campaigned to have the college only course re-enstated but it does not make you a plumber & never can no matter what they promise you & how much money you pay! Beware of the C&G 6035 !!

I feel for you but carrying out plumbing tasks in a college is in no way the same as doing it in the work place.

I don't know much about plumbing because i have a c&g? I started that course over 8 years ago whilst working as a plumbers mate. If you think 1 assessment is more powerful then 8 years experience then i think you don't know much about plumbing either!

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

seems your the one sheep walking in a different direction to the flock old son, common knowledge, you may have soldered a few pipes but you need a bit more experience than that to be honest

So 8 years experience is not enough then?

 

[chris watkins]

I don't know much about plumbing because i have a c&g? I started that course over 8 years ago whilst working as a plumbers mate. If you think 1 assessment is more powerful then 8 years experience then i think you don't know much about plumbing either!

The problem you have EastLondon is that you want a trade skills card that shows employers that you can work as a trained plumber, I have no doubt that with your 8 years experience you could do the job but for all that the employer knows, all you have ever done is the work in the college or worked on site only as a mate, you have no proof.

Whatever the rights & wrongs of the NVQ system, site inspection visits (minimum of 4) are made & evidence is collected across a range of work areas to ensure that you have the skills to carry out all work that a plumber could be expected to do. The plumbing employer group decide what this range should be, it is most certainly NOT 1 assessment.

You can judge for yourself what I do or don't know about plumbing but what I do know about is the need to have an NVQ in plumbing, something which you didn't find out about 8 years ago.

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

The problem you have EastLondon is that you want a trade skills card that shows employers that you can work as a trained plumber, I have no doubt that with your 8 years experience you could do the job but for all that the employer knows, all you have ever done is the work in the college or worked on site only as a mate, you have no proof.

Whatever the rights & wrongs of the NVQ system, site inspection visits (minimum of 4) are made & evidence is collected across a range of work areas to ensure that you have the skills to carry out all work that a plumber could be expected to do. The plumbing employer group decide what this range should be, it is most certainly NOT 1 assessment.

You can judge for yourself what I do or don't know about plumbing but what I do know about is the need to have an NVQ in plumbing, something which you didn't find out about 8 years ago.

8 years ago i knew about it but was advised that the c&g was a recognised qualification. You are right about having the proof with the nvq. Now city and guilds have introduced a craft certificate. I was doing an apprenticeship with my course but they have not recognised that also.

I was learning from work and using that to take to college and knock out all the practical work, not using college to take to work. Soon as i had any cert saying plumbing i never looked back. College never taught me a thing. I suppose the NVQ is a good idea for proof, if i would of known 8 years ago i would of done the NVQ and not even bothered with the c&g

 

[Whyme]

So 8 years experience is not enough then?

8 years experiance maybe, would you feel comfortable having a van (right now) and doing whatever mad situation throws at you upon the front door opening..

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

8 years experiance maybe, would you feel comfortable having a van (right now) and doing whatever mad situation throws at you upon the front door opening..

The correct spelling is experience not experiance. And i ran my own business with my own van up until a year ago and did emergency call out work also.

 

[spanner]

I did the level 2 6129 plumbing which covered sheet lead using bossing sticks wedges etc. Which was discontinued. But had to do all the practical in the college 1st 2nd fix bathrooms ,soil pipe installation, air testing, guttering, open vented hot water systems, services valves isolation, etc. But ok a port folio was made as we progress. But at the end I'd say it's what you and yourself make of it.
With a foot in the door. It doesn't mean you aren't a qualified plumber
NVQ I think is quality, but you'd always be bargaining to keep a good rate and pay in most places, and are likely down the hill .. say I'm happy fortunately to work with a qualified gas engineer with C+G 6129

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

I did the level 2 6129 plumbing which covered sheet lead using bossing sticks wedges etc. Which was discontinued. But had to do all the practical in the college 1st 2nd fix bathrooms ,soil pipe installation, air testing, guttering, open vented hot water systems, services valves isolation, etc. But ok a port folio was made as we progress. But at the end I'd say it's what you and yourself make of it.
With a foot in the door. It doesn't mean you aren't a qualified plumber
NVQ I think is quality, but you'd always be bargaining to keep a good rate and pay in most places, and are likely down the hill .. say I'm happy fortunately to work with a qualified gas engineer with C+G 6129

I also have the 6129. You do cylinders also. The NVQ is not to long to get anyway, the c&g with all the exams and portfolio takes a lot more time. NVQ is a pretty quick thing, i don't know how it works these days but plumbers iv worked with got it in one day (around 2005)