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So today the Labour Party announce their latest brainwave for attracting votes by having a go at the long-term unemployed, i.e. they will ensure that long-term unemployed folk get offered "a job" for six months, and if the claimant refuses, then they will stop their benefits.

Hooray, you may say! "Tough but fair, and the more of a kicking the lazy so-and-so's get, the better the chances of them finding a job!"

But is that really the case?

How many people reading this post will be willing to give someone with no recent work experience, and possibly very little in the way of practical skills, a job for six months knowing that they are taking up the offer with a gun held to their head re an ultimatum: "take this work placement, or we stop your benefits"?

Will you be willing to honk your horn of a morning when you call to pick them up and find that they're still in bed?

When they eventually roll out bleary-eyed and embittered at being made to rise at such an unseemly hour, will you be willing to patiently counsel them on the benefits of self-reliance and the protestant work ethic?

Will you encourage them, and nurture any spark of motivation that might lie beneath their resentment over being forced into work?

If you have answered yes to the previous questions, then I salute you for being one of those rare human beings that is willing to go the extra mile for the good of society by casting aside self interest and personal gain.

Being the sort of person that you are, I suspect that you will have a lump in your throat when after six months of cajoling and mentoring you find that you are required to let your fledgling employee fly away into the big wide world of the labour market - or more likely, to resume their place back on the dole!

Call me a cynic if you must, but actually I have written this post having fallen from a position of high optimism, i.e. I really did have some hopes that having sat on the side-lines for the past few years the Labour Party might have come up with something more than a revamp of YTS thinking and the old cheesy chestnut of New Deal wrapped up in the mentality of a kick up the backside for unemployed people.

In my naivety, I thought ED & Co might come up with some substantial plans for tackling unemployment and getting Britain back to work.

Silly as it now sounds, I really did have some hopes that the days of New Labour spinning and meandering and tossing scraps of populist tripe to the tabloids was now history.

Sadly, I have been forced to recognise that very little has changed - just the same old populist BS spun out in the hope of catching votes.
 
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Another well written post,

I despise all government, too long to put on here, I will never forgive them the expenses scandal for a start.

I'd like to see the vast silent majority of us stand up and say 'no more'. I believe in revolution, lets start again. Force a benefits change, stop the lazy gits. Only way to do it, otherwise they're just tweeking it AGAIN!
 
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I'll never understand why anyone would expect anything good out of labour. Not that there are any better alternatives really.
 
I'll never understand why anyone would expect anything good out of labour. Not that there are any better alternatives really.

Agreed, thats my problem, working people are a bit worse off each year where the sick lame and lazy are the same off. Its not right. They have the same things as we do,

mobiles
flat screen tv,
sky,
blu ray players,
ps 3

you name it the sick lame and lazy can get it.

Nothing changes ever! immigration, nhs, benefits figures are massaged and manipulated to show what the government want.

I can only see one answer,
 
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Agreed, thats my problem, working people are a bit worse off each year where the sick lame and lazy are the same off. Its not right. They have the same things as we do,

mobiles
flat screen tv,
sky,
blu ray players,
ps 3

you name it the sick lame and lazy can get it.

Nothing changes ever! immigration, nhs, benefits figures are massaged and manipulated to show what the government want.

I can only see one answer,

i cant afford a blue-ray or a ps3!! these bleeding layabouts are better off....
 
What i can never undestand is how myself a working man with no children ,taxpayer ,bill payer ,mortgage payer no burden on society gets absolutely nothing back !!!

Why dont the govt say cheers fella another year of no hassle from you thanks for paying taxes here is a crimbo bonus of £100 for being a non burden on society .

probably to much that instead they take away your pension cheers for that !!
 
I'll never understand why anyone would expect anything good out of labour. Not that there are any better alternatives really.

Hard as it may be to believe given New Labour's track record, the Labour Party was once the Party of the people, i.e. working people.


Consumer politics has led to politicians from all of the parties talking nonsense in the hope of gaining votes.


At the current time, Britain has millions of well educated and skilled people out of work, and the way forward is to get those people into real jobs capable of creating wealth.


If you were putting a football team together would you choose from a pool of people who have recently played professionally, or would you choose people who have never played at all, or at the very least, not for the past two years?


The anti-welfare ticket is popular, and so the politicians trade off commonsense in the hope of catching votes. None of them have a clue about getting the economy back on track through the creation of industry, and they try to cover up that fact by constantly blaming unemployment on the unemployed.

Ironically, Labour have argued that the best way to reduce the welfare bill is to get people back to work, but then they come up with a policy that has no substance within an honest agenda around the task.


Apparently, Ed Balls has been involved in cooking up this latest bit of nonsense - I wouldn't trust him as far as I could bounce him!
 
Hard as it may be to believe given New Labour's track record, the Labour Party was once the Party of the people, i.e. working people.


Consumer politics has led to politicians from all of the parties talking nonsense in the hope of gaining votes.


At the current time, Britain has millions of well educated and skilled people out of work, and the way forward is to get those people into real jobs capable of creating wealth.


If you were putting a football team together would you choose from a pool of people who have recently played professionally, or would you choose people who have never played at all, or at the very least, not for the past two years?


The anti-welfare ticket is popular, and so the politicians trade off commonsense in the hope of catching votes. None of them have a clue about getting the economy back on track through the creation of industry, and they try to cover up that fact by constantly blaming unemployment on the unemployed.

Ironically, Labour have argued that the best way to reduce the welfare bill is to get people back to work, but then they come up with a policy that has no substance within an honest agenda around the task.


Apparently, Ed Balls has been involved in cooking up this latest bit of nonsense - I wouldn't trust him as far as I could bounce him!

Over the last few years we have had a couple of million people come from Eastern Europe and find work. Fair play to them really, don't tell me that some of the people sitting on benefits couldn't have gotten off their arses and taken those jobs. Of course they could have, and still could, if they could be arsed. Not really the place for politics, but there are my two pennies
 
Trouble is, the problem has been 30+ years in the making, and will take 30+ years to solve.

Politicians of all parties have to take their share of the blame, and their successors in all parties have to do their part in sorting it out.

Unfortunately our political system is geared towards headlines today, and anything-the-other-side-says-is-wrong-and-probably-evil.

The only two politicians who have shown the faintest inclination to take a long term view of welfare reform are Frank Field (lab) and Ian Duncan-Smith (con). Whatever you might think about them as individuals, at least they tried/are trying to sort it out. The former was forced to resign after clashes with the chancellor of the day (Gordon Brown) and the latter is struggling, and the rumours are that the current chancellor has the knives out for him.

So the can gets kicked down the road for another generation...
 
Over the last few years we have had a couple of million people come from Eastern Europe and find work. Fair play to them really, don't tell me that some of the people sitting on benefits couldn't have gotten off their arses and taken those jobs. Of course they could have, and still could, if they could be arsed. Not really the place for politics, but there are my two pennies

Problem is there is never a place for politics and we are never listened too, I don't care if Cameron eats pasties or listens to cold play on his ipod, he does nothing for us, the working man, nothing, has anyone here tried to claim benefit because you were injured..... my girl friend works, so, I'm entitled to nothing!

He'll and Labour, penny pinch from us while starbucks, amazon and the useless long term sick and unemployed take the money out of our pockets.

I was working for one of these people before christmas, new car on the drive, (mobility car), I saw an Iphone, Ipad, PC, 40 inch sony flat screen tv, they both smoked. They've never worked, I'd have shot them both there and then if I had my way
 
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I think they should be given cards so they cannot afford luxury items like sky designer clothes alcohol cigs etc etc then I think they should have voluntary work that can gain them £xx a month I also feel they should have to pay for prescriptions why should I have to pay for it when they dont its only £7 or something like that.
 
I think they should be given cards so they cannot afford luxury items like sky designer clothes alcohol cigs etc etc then I think they should have voluntary work that can gain them £xx a month I also feel they should have to pay for prescriptions why should I have to pay for it when they dont its only £7 or something like that.

I agree why is it when I go to the dentist I am the only one who pays, same as prescriptions I seem to be the only one handing over any cash,
 
having had 3 months of due to leg/spine injury, you find out that as a self employed bod you get no help, long waiting lists to get treatment and worry of wheres the next pay cheque. in order to get treatment after the 4th ambulance ride to hospital to alleviate pain via large doses of morphine, I refused to leave my ward bed until a consultant provided treatment for the cause of the problem and not just for pain. Result v large needle and cortisone to hip, removing 90% of problem. Then letter to MP resulted in consultant seeing me within 1 week rather than18 weeks and further treatment, Im not cured but am back at work. Official response fm secretary of state running NHS, seek monetrary help from dept of claims and benefits etc!!!!!!!!! they dont get the fact that if you treat someone, cure their ills they may want to go to work and not lay about on the dole or benefits.

Main issue is that to many civil servants run this failing island and dont want to run things well or god forbid someone might realise they arent required!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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If I had my way I'd lock the lot in Big Ben and blow it to pieces, we seriously seriously need a revolution in this country it's becoming a joke, they flaunt the law and lie through there teeth and walk away Scott free!
 
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