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Hi all. Am new to the forum. Some of what I will be discussing has been covered in previous threads but I feel my situation is a bit more unique.

I am an individual who has worked for the civil service for the past 20 years (am just shy of 40) and am looking for a career change. In my spare time I am also a property developer and over the past 15 year have done quite nicely off renovation and have a nice little property portfolio. I am now in the position where I only have to work part-time. However I hate my job and it has always been ambition to learn a trade which would earn me a living and also give me a skill which I could use when renovating / maintaining my houses.

Gas had always interested me. I have used for the past 10 years a local guy who pretty much does all property maintenance and have become friends with him. He does everything from fit bathrooms and kitchens to full central heating fittings and repair. However whilst he's fully competent he's never bothered doing his gas safe and does the bulk of the work and then his mate who is gas safe registered comes in and checks his work over and signs it off. He's done this for years and has fitted 3 boilers for me personally which were all signed off. I use a separate gas man for my landlord certs and services and he's always said the work my guy has done is good.

Recently I've been expressing to my maintenance guy that I am unhappy in my work and would like a change of career. I would also like to work for myself, be self employed and have the flexibility to work as and when I choose. I suggested gas as an option.

He suggested to me that I go and do the training and then we could potentially do some work together with him being experienced in fitting systems and me being gas safe to sign it all off. The plan would be for me to do an intensive course, get gas safe registration and get myself a van and tools. I'd would do servicing and landlord certs to fill my time and on bigger jobs we'd go together.

I am in a unique position that I only really need to earn around £1200 per month to tick over nicely so don't really need to be bringing in loads of work. My maintenance guy has also sorted it out for me to go and potentially work with his gas safe mate who is retiring within the next few years who is willing to let me go with him if I feel I need more experience at any point.

I have found a company on Birmingham called options skills. They run an 8 week intensive course and then put you with a gas safe engineer for a period of around 6 months to do your portfolio. You then come back to the test centre and do some more work before gas safe come out and check up on work you have completed. They have guaranteed that they will work with me until I am at the point that I can work independently on gas appliances. They said it will take approximately 8 months and they are involved in the whole process and guarantee you a local place with a gas safe engineer to complete the portfolio (which I have read can be an issue).

Everything seems to be in place for me to start the ball rolling and my path into the trade looks to be reasonable. But it's a big decision to quit my job and I am aware the risks are huge. The nagging feeling I have with these intensive courses are that they seem too good to be true. I am aware of the criticisms of them and that they leave you quite inexperienced and that employers won't touch you. However I am not looking for experience as this will be something I will get once I have got qualified. And I am not looking for employment as I plan to go self employed.

Given all the negative posts on intensive course on here, given my circumstances, on this occasion would doing a intensive course actually be a good idea?

Thanks in advance for anyone taking the time to reply.
 
How will you gain experience if you are out there on your own?
You won’t have anyone to learn from
I will be with a gas safe engineer for 6 months after the 8 week course and will be full time with them gaining experience as well as building my portfolio. I then have the option of going with my maintenance guys gas safe mate afterwards if I still lack experience.
 
I will be with a gas safe engineer for 6 months after the 8 week course and will be full time with them gaining experience as well as building my portfolio. I then have the option of going with my maintenance guys gas safe mate afterwards if I still lack experience.
Is he happy to train someone who will take his work?
 
What's your current job, current salary, annual holidays, sick days, bonuses and so on.
You won't get any of that when you are self employed and inexperienced at your chosen trade
Civil servant. Was recently redeployed to a job I hate. Am on protected salary for another year then I get a big wage drop. I don't get bonuses or anything like that lol. I own 5 houses and my wife is a well paid teacher so am financially secure. My daughter is 3 and will be going to school in 18 months. I'd rather give my current security of my job up to be able to dictate my own hours and be able to take her school myself every day rather than employ a child minder. Whilst there are a lot of risks and negatives I feel the positives could far outweigh the negatives.
 
Sounds like you are in as good a position as you can be
Touch wood I think I am. As a landlord of 5 properties I have a bit of experience of the demand for trade in my local area too. I have used the same guy for about 8 years now but he's become a bit unreliable over the past couple of years. I'd bin him off if I could but everyone seems the same. I used to ring him up if I had a fault at one of my properties and he'd always come out within a few days. Now though it's whenever he's free next. He's got that much work on he's happy too leave me sat around waiting. I've tried other companies and everyone ring, and I'm talking 7,8,9 companies I get the same answer. 'I'm not gonna be able to get out to u until next (usually about 10 time), give me a call end of the week and I'll see when I can fit u in'. Either that or I get them telling me they are fully booked but take my number to ring me back and never do.
 
Sounds a good plan, the course offering 6 months training in the field to get the portfolio done is the only thing that sounds too good to be true. For me i was on the phone alot in the early days to my mentor and gas safe when out on site , things dont always go according to plan, thats when experience comes in.
 
Question GSR chaps.
I'd understood it wasn't kosher for a GSR person to sign off the work of another. What is the LEGAL chapter & verse ?
Apologies, but not interested in opinions - I've got one of those😉
I'm not sure if its legal or not to sign off someone else's work. In this case the law has been broken by the installer doing the works while not been supervised by a registered engineer but has the enginner broke the law by signing it off?
 
You are not being realistic. After 9 and before 3 and I bet you want weekends off too. Mate go part time at the council. You will never make it with such slim hours. Are you going to leave people for days to suit your preferred hours? Overheads are no cheaper to work so few hours.
 
You are not being realistic. After 9 and before 3 and I bet you want weekends off too. Mate go part time at the council. You will never make it with such slim hours. Are you going to leave people for days to suit your preferred hours? Overheads are no cheaper to work so few hours.
Appreciate your feedback. I don't need to finish at 3. I just want to be able to drop my daughter off in the morning. Weekend work and such don't bother me. Did it for 16 years up until 12 months ago in a job I enjoyed and worked 52 hours a week in. Mornings, afternoons and nights 24/7.

The point of was making about the hours was that I could arrange them within reason myself and that I'm not desperate to earn mega money like others out there who are seeking to come into the profession for the money so I'm not coming in with expectations of earning huge amounts.
 
Here's one piece of advice
Stop banging on about how many properties you have!
In general landlords are a pita and a lot of the guy's here refuse to work for one.
No idea what a pita is.......(but maybe there's a gap in the market for looking after landlords then, if what you say is true lol)
 
With respect jamie you are looking at this through media tinted glasses. The reality is very different.

On one hand you complain about how people are unavail cos they too busy yet in the next breath talk of your part time hours. Get real old bean.

You dont like paying yet youll expect others to pay! Get real old bean. Sensing a theme?

We see these types of unrealistic posts every week to the point we are now far less than supportive because we see you've not taken any time at all to understand the reality. All you see is that you hate your comfortable existance and a mirage of a green field called plumbing painted by imbicilic media. Get real old bean.
 
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With respect jamie you are looking at this through media tinted glasses. The reality is very different.

On one hand you complain about how people are unavail cos they too busy yet in the next breath talk of your part time hours. Get real old bean.

You dont like paying yet youll expect others to pay! Get real old bean. Sensing a theme?

We see these types of unrealistic posts every week to the point we are now far less than supportive because we see you've not taken any time at all to understand the reality. All you see is that you hate your comfortable existance and a mirage of a green field called plumbing painted by imbicilic media. Get real old bean.


Totally get your point. If you go back to my original post I think I acknowledged that this has in some ways been covered before. The points I was trying to emphasise were that I felt I was in more of a unique position in terms of access to experience. Ie. My maintenance man and his gas safe registered buddy. I understand you see regular posts of people wanting to get into the trade and had I read any similar posts to mine I would have refrained from posting. But the posts I've read are people going in completely blind.

Maybe I am being unrealistic. If so your comments have given me food for thought and for that I appreciate you taking time to reply.
 
Maybe I am being unrealistic. If so your comments have given me food for thought and for that I appreciate you taking time to reply.

Perhaps of more relevance Jamie is that what you are currently experiencing is not everyday, not authentic, not truly representative of this industry. We have a private thread running currently where we are talking hard of the, frankly appalling way this trade is treated when without us the country would literally grind to a halt in a matter of weeks.
Just so you know, this trade is currently seen as the fall back if you fail get a job in MacDonalds in the eye of joe pubic.
That, old bean, is our reality.
 
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Hi all. Am new to the forum. Some of what I will be discussing has been covered in previous threads but I feel my situation is a bit more unique.

I am an individual who has worked for the civil service for the past 20 years (am just shy of 40) and am looking for a career change. In my spare time I am also a property developer and over the past 15 year have done quite nicely off renovation and have a nice little property portfolio. I am now in the position where I only have to work part-time. However I hate my job and it has always been ambition to learn a trade which would earn me a living and also give me a skill which I could use when renovating / maintaining my houses.

Gas had always interested me. I have used for the past 10 years a local guy who pretty much does all property maintenance and have become friends with him. He does everything from fit bathrooms and kitchens to full central heating fittings and repair. However whilst he's fully competent he's never bothered doing his gas safe and does the bulk of the work and then his mate who is gas safe registered comes in and checks his work over and signs it off. He's done this for years and has fitted 3 boilers for me personally which were all signed off. I use a separate gas man for my landlord certs and services and he's always said the work my guy has done is good.

Recently I've been expressing to my maintenance guy that I am unhappy in my work and would like a change of career. I would also like to work for myself, be self employed and have the flexibility to work as and when I choose. I suggested gas as an option.

He suggested to me that I go and do the training and then we could potentially do some work together with him being experienced in fitting systems and me being gas safe to sign it all off. The plan would be for me to do an intensive course, get gas safe registration and get myself a van and tools. I'd would do servicing and landlord certs to fill my time and on bigger jobs we'd go together.

I am in a unique position that I only really need to earn around £1200 per month to tick over nicely so don't really need to be bringing in loads of work. My maintenance guy has also sorted it out for me to go and potentially work with his gas safe mate who is retiring within the next few years who is willing to let me go with him if I feel I need more experience at any point.

I have found a company on Birmingham called options skills. They run an 8 week intensive course and then put you with a gas safe engineer for a period of around 6 months to do your portfolio. You then come back to the test centre and do some more work before gas safe come out and check up on work you have completed. They have guaranteed that they will work with me until I am at the point that I can work independently on gas appliances. They said it will take approximately 8 months and they are involved in the whole process and guarantee you a local place with a gas safe engineer to complete the portfolio (which I have read can be an issue).

Everything seems to be in place for me to start the ball rolling and my path into the trade looks to be reasonable. But it's a big decision to quit my job and I am aware the risks are huge. The nagging feeling I have with these intensive courses are that they seem too good to be true. I am aware of the criticisms of them and that they leave you quite inexperienced and that employers won't touch you. However I am not looking for experience as this will be something I will get once I have got qualified. And I am not looking for employment as I plan to go self employed.

Given all the negative posts on intensive course on here, given my circumstances, on this occasion would doing a intensive course actually be a good idea?

Thanks in advance for anyone taking the time to reply.

Hello Jamesjamie,

My comments are going to come across as `pedantic` but because of the serious nature of what you wrote in your first message I cannot phrase them in any other way.

You are under the completely wrong impression regarding a registered Gas Engineer / Installer being able to `Sign Off` someone else`s Gas work:

It is absolutely against the Gas Safety Regulations and the Gas Safe registration rules for a Gas Engineer / Gas Installer to sign off another persons Gas work apart from where they are officially `Supervising` a Trainee Gas Installer who is carrying out documented Gas work tasks as part of producing a `Portfolio` to complement their Training Provider`s academic and practical training.

Those `Trainee Gas Installers` have to be officially registered with a Training Provider and be registered as `In Training` with either a Gas Safe registered Gas Engineer or a Gas Training Provider Company or College.

As the Gas Safety Regulations and Gas Safe registration rules are Legally binding breaking those Regulations and Registration rules is ILLEGAL !

As Member scott_d stated it is against the Gas Safety Regulations for someone who is not Gas Safe registered to even `Hang` a Boiler on the wall let alone carry out any further Gas works related to `Installing the Boiler`.

I wonder whether You take any notice of these facts regarding your wish to become a Gas Safe registered Gas Installer and your stated plans to `Sign off` your Plumbers Gas installations ?

Chris
 
Hello Jamesjamie,

My comments are going to come across as `pedantic` but because of the serious nature of what you wrote in your first message I cannot phrase them in any other way.

You are under the completely wrong impression regarding a registered Gas Engineer / Installer being able to `Sign Off` someone else`s Gas work:

It is absolutely against the Gas Safety Regulations and the Gas Safe registration rules for a Gas Engineer / Gas Installer to sign off another persons Gas work apart from where they are officially `Supervising` a Trainee Gas Installer who is carrying out documented Gas work tasks as part of producing a `Portfolio` to complement their Training Provider`s academic and practical training.

Those `Trainee Gas Installers` have to be officially registered with a Training Provider and be registered as `In Training` with either a Gas Safe registered Gas Engineer or a Gas Training Provider Company or College.

As the Gas Safety Regulations and Gas Safe registration rules are Legally binding breaking those Regulations and Registration rules is ILLEGAL !

As Member scott_d stated it is against the Gas Safety Regulations for someone who is not Gas Safe registered to even `Hang` a Boiler on the wall let alone carry out any further Gas works related to `Installing the Boiler`.

I wonder whether You take any notice of these facts regarding your wish to become a Gas Safe registered Gas Installer and your stated plans to `Sign off` your Plumbers Gas installations ?

Chris
Appreciate this info Chris. This is quite enlightening to me. I had always been of the impression that if the work was done to regs and someone was willing to check it over and certify it as such then it was considered OK.

Probably more concerning is that I have mentioned this before to various training providers and no one has pointed out this not being OK.

Time the reconsider my position I think. Thanks for the info guys.
 
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Perhaps of more relevance Jamie is that what you are currently experiencing is not everyday, not authentic, not truly representative of this industry.

It's also illegal and hence a rather poor model to base a business on. It also means that as a landlord you're the proud owner of three illegally installed boilers. Better hope that nothing ever goes wrong with them and kills your tenants.

Sleep well.
 
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It's also illegal and hence a rather poor model to base a business on.
These are good points.

So taking a fresh look at things if I still wanted to take a crack at it the best route would be to do the training and then go and work with the gas safe engineer we know to gain experience?
 
These are good points.

So taking a fresh look at things if I still wanted to take a crack at it the best route would be to do the training and then go and work with the gas safe engineer we know to gain experience?
I would find a new one. I will
probably get some backlash from this but I wouldn’t trust anyone that signs off someone else’s installs or work.
 
I would find a new one. I will
probably get some backlash from this but I wouldn’t trust anyone that signs off someone else’s installs or work.
I get where you are coming from but isn't that the barrier most have when trying to get into the industry? No one wants you to come with them.

I appreciate all the comments guys it's making me really question who I should be placing my trust in.
 
So taking a fresh look at things if I still wanted to take a crack at it the best route would be to do the training and then go and work with the gas safe engineer we know to gain experience?

My advice would be to keep well away from someone who is making a living by 'signing-off' gas work done an unqualified person. Stick to being a property renovator/developer but start employing people who know and follow the rules.
 
I get where you are coming from but isn't that the barrier most have when trying to get into the industry? No one wants you to come with them.

I appreciate all the comments guys it's making me really question who I should be placing my trust in.
Your choice. But do you want to be the engineer that was trained by that other dodgy engineer, or the engineer that struggled at first but is now that awesome engineer? But like I said your choice.
 
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Personally, I feel Harvest's point about sticking with what you have demonstrated you are good at is very pertinent.

Surround yourself with a good, trusted team that you treat well and you will go from strength to strength. Do you properties up t9 a good quality focusing on issues like running costs and environmental impact and you'll build yourself a model difficult to beat today.
 
Your choice. But do you want to be the engineer that was trained by that other dodgy engineer, or the engineer that struggled at first but is now that awesome engineer? But like I said your choice.
What would be the ideal route for someone in my position then?
Yet we make the conscious effort not to do it, or be a part of it.
Yet we make the conscious effort not to do it, or be a part of it.


Personally, I feel Harvest's point about sticking with what you have demonstrated you are good at is very pertinent.

Surround yourself with a good, trusted team that you treat well and you will go from strength to strength. Do you properties up t9 a good quality focusing on issues like running costs and environmental impact and you'll build yourself a model difficult to beat today.
Thanks for the advice.

Not to blow my own trumpet too much but I've done well over the past 15 years starting from scratch. Over that time I have built up a decent group of tradesmen who do good quality work for me at a fair price. Obviously I've had some bad experiences and have cast a few people aside over the years but have a decent sparky, window fitter, plasterer etc. My maintenance guy has been putting bathrooms, kitchens, and doing other work for me for years now to a good standard. I feel a bit let down now to be honest that he's done work on my gas appliances and had assured me he's OK to do this as his gas safe mate always comes round and checks it over and then gives me the relevant documentation. Don't get me wrong I like a good price but not at the expense of safety. Think I need to find myself a new gas man.
 
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I'd say if you want to do something - do it. Take on whatever course you want to, and see where it leads, but make your own plans and keep them realistic.
I quit my long term delivery jobs last June and am going out alone doing general plumbing jobs already, if you study hard and have a plan you will get there, but I would just go for it.
 
I'd say if you want to do something - do it. Take on whatever course you want to, and see where it leads, but make your own plans and keep them realistic.
I quit my long term delivery jobs last June and am going out alone doing general plumbing jobs already, if you study hard and have a plan you will get there, but I would just go for it.
Thanks for the advice.

My regular gas man who I've used for years went a similar route to I am thinking. He did an intensive course then went with his dad's mate who was gas safe and got some experience with him before setting up on his own. He doesn't give the intensive training a good review in terms of gaining experience to be able to practically do the job, but he did say it gave him the basics so he was safe working with gas. He then gained the experience he needed of working on different systems whilst on the job with his dad's mate. He said he just did 6 months and then went on his own. He mainly just does services and landlord certs but I know he ticks over nicely and is very busy.
 
Thanks for the advice.

My regular gas man who I've used for years went a similar route to I am thinking. He did an intensive course then went with his dad's mate who was gas safe and got some experience with him before setting up on his own. He doesn't give the intensive training a good review in terms of gaining experience to be able to practically do the job, but he did say it gave him the basics so he was safe working with gas. He then gained the experience he needed of working on different systems whilst on the job with his dad's mate. He said he just did 6 months and then went on his own. He mainly just does services and landlord certs but I know he ticks over nicely and is very busy.
If doing an intensive course make sure you start doing daily homework now, read lots of books (yes it does help a lot) and gain all the knowledge you can before you even get to the training stage, how else is one expected to do these daft courses and gain from them? It's all up to you.
 
If doing an intensive course make sure you start doing daily homework now, read lots of books (yes it does help a lot) and gain all the knowledge you can before you even get to the training stage, how else is one expected to do these daft courses and gain from them? It's all up to you.

I think I'd do well because I've got a general interest in learning about anything thats to do with property maintenance. I've self taught myself to do things like tiling after watching hours of YouTube videos at night whilst the Mrs is watching corrie as I've had a genuine interest in learning something and then putting it into practice the next day when working on whatever property I'm renovating. It's soul destroying doing something that you hate. Especially when you genuinely feel you could be a success at something else, only if you applied yourself.

It's time for me to pick a trade and take the time to get good at it. I've got bigger plans longer term but I want my bread and butter to be a trade.
 
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Appreciate this info Chris. This is quite enlightening to me. I had always been of the impression that if the work was done to regs and someone was willing to check it over and certify it as such then it was considered OK.

Probably more concerning is that I have mentioned this before to various training providers and no one has pointed out this not being OK.

Time the reconsider my position I think. Thanks for the info guys.

Hello again Jamesjamie,

I could not reply to your message quoted above immediately because I was having a late Dinner.

I am not trying to labour my previous points - but regarding your comment here:

QUOTE:

I had always been of the impression that if the work was done to regs and someone was willing to check it over and certify it as such then it was considered OK.

END OF QUOTE

It is exactly because the Gas works would NOT have been carried out `to the regs` that makes it illegal for a registered Gas Safe Engineer / Installer to `Sign it off`.

The MAIN Regulation is that ALL Gas works must be carried out and `Signed Off` by a Gas safe registered Gas Engineer / Installer.

Chris
 
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I fear we are wasting our breath here the OP seems to think it’s an easy trade to get into so good luck to him
 
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I'm going to try and be a bit more positive, if you went by the advice of most here no one would ever come in to this trade. It sounds like you're in a fairly good position in that you're not so reliant on the income and have people you can learn from. It's almost certainly going to take you longer to get to the point you want to, it just takes time. From me actually starting to train to being a self employed gas engineer took around 5/6 years in total, but got there in the end. What i'd say is only take on jobs you're comfortable with at first, say no to stuff that you feel is too much. I did a 20 week gas course (after level 2+3 college), plus going out with engineers to build the portfolio and after that you're still not quite ready until you've got a bit more experience, so i'd say maybe offer to help the guys you know at a low rate. Also once you're qualified go on all the boiler manufacturer's free courses. Be wary of how the course phrase the placement with an engineer, it sounds like you're just mirroring them to learn so should be ok, but i knew a course that guaranteed a job at the end but it was just an interview, which no one ever got the job for.

As others have said signing off other people's work isn't legal so don't base your plan around that. One other thing i'd say is a gas course will teach you nothing other than gas, so you're going to need to learn the overall workings of a heating system, even how a boiler really works from elsewhere. Unless you work for a big firm you can't really just work on gas, people will just tell you their heating doesn't work, they won't know if it's the boiler or something else causing it.
 
What you say is fair point but still not realistic to many people who think they are going to learn an apprenticeships worth of knowledge in 20 weeks. No one is debating it cant happen but there are so many people trying to run before they can walk and talk as if plumbing is a simple trade that anyone can get into, when truth be told it’s just not. The problem with these courses is they dumb down the trade further and as such you get bad jobs for poor money, the customer knows no different so the cycle continues
 
I'm going to try and be a bit more positive, if you went by the advice of most here no one would ever come in to this trade. It sounds like you're in a fairly good position in that you're not so reliant on the income and have people you can learn from. It's almost certainly going to take you longer to get to the point you want to, it just takes time. From me actually starting to train to being a self employed gas engineer took around 5/6 years in total, but got there in the end. What i'd say is only take on jobs you're comfortable with at first, say no to stuff that you feel is too much. I did a 20 week gas course (after level 2+3 college), plus going out with engineers to build the portfolio and after that you're still not quite ready until you've got a bit more experience, so i'd say maybe offer to help the guys you know at a low rate. Also once you're qualified go on all the boiler manufacturer's free courses. Be wary of how the course phrase the placement with an engineer, it sounds like you're just mirroring them to learn so should be ok, but i knew a course that guaranteed a job at the end but it was just an interview, which no one ever got the job for.

As others have said signing off other people's work isn't legal so don't base your plan around that. One other thing i'd say is a gas course will teach you nothing other than gas, so you're going to need to learn the overall workings of a heating system, even how a boiler really works from elsewhere. Unless you work for a big firm you can't really just work on gas, people will just tell you their heating doesn't work, they won't know if it's the boiler or something else causing it.
Thanks for the feedback.

At what stage did you feel confident enough to carry out services and give landlord certificates?
 
That’s the point. It’s one thing doing a landlords gas certificate it’s quite another doing it properly as required by gas safe. To many it’s slam in the fga turn on the hob and be out the door before any questions are asked.
 
That’s the point. It’s one thing doing a landlords gas certificate it’s quite another doing it properly as required by gas safe. To many it’s slam in the fga turn on the hob and be out the door before any questions are asked.

There are none so blind as those who do not want to hear Riley...
 
That’s the point. It’s one thing doing a landlords gas certificate it’s quite another doing it properly as required by gas safe. To many it’s slam in the fga turn on the hob and be out the door before any questions are asked.
And you think that'd what they would teach me to do on a fast track course?
 
I'm listening... What's your advice?
I think the advice we’ve all been trying to get across is that it’s not an easy job to do or get into. There is so much to learn and spend out. Nothing is ever simple and everyday is a school day. If you’re still keen then do it but getting gas safe properly and I mean with experience requires you to work with someone, not necessarily legally but come on, even when qualified common sense says you will be green for a good few years before you’re confident tonbe solo. It is not something you can just read the instructions and get on. You need real world experience.
 
Thanks for the feedback.

At what stage did you feel confident enough to carry out services and give landlord certificates?

So to give you a full history I did Level 2 plumbing at a college (2 years), level 3 (another 2 years), whilst working in a plumbing and heating merchants for all but the first year of that. Then after maybe another year did the gas, then once qualified started doing little jobs (services, fitting taps, repairing toilets etc), mainly for friends and some i got via the shop. It was really after i'd done everything a few times that i thought i'd go for it and go out on my own. Landlord's certificates are fairly easy once you've qualified, it's the same sort of thing they drum into you over and over again whilst training, just take your time. The only thing i'd say is a lettings agency is going to want someone to cover everything, not just the easy jobs.
 
I think the advice we’ve all been trying to get across is that it’s not an easy job to do or get into. There is so much to learn and spend out. Nothing is ever simple and everyday is a school day. If you’re still keen then do it but getting gas safe properly and I mean with experience requires you to work with someone, not necessarily legally but come on, even when qualified common sense says you will be green for a good few years before you’re confident tonbe solo. It is not something you can just read the instructions and get on. You need real world experience.
Fair points. To be honest I'm taking time to mull things over as you guys have made me take stock. So from that point of view to those who were trying to give me a bit of a reality check you've achieved your goal and possibly helped me out! However I've not quite gave up, am rather looking into steps where I can ensure I've got a solid plans once I'm got through the initial fast track training.
 
No one is debating it cant happen
It sounds to me like they are and it has always been the same on here. The OP just needs to realise that the approved and respected method on here and anywhere else will always be from an apprentice. However you only get out what you put in. If you are expecting to earn £50000.00 a year in your first 5 that will just not happen. It takes time, effort and a lot of sacrifice.
 
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It sounds to me like they are and it has always been the same on here. The OP just needs to realise that the approved and respected method on here and anywhere else will always be from an apprentice. However you only get out what you put in. If you are expecting to earn £50000.00 a year in your first 5 that will just not happen. It takes time, effort and a lot of sacrifice.

I could get by on earning between a grand and 1500 a month these days.
 
I could get by on earning a grand and 1500 a month these days.
Completely achievable mate. Just do not pretend to be something you are not. Be honest and work hard. Most experience comes with time even from an apprenticeship.
 
It sounds to me like they are and it has always been the same on here. The OP just needs to realise that the approved and respected method on here and anywhere else will always be from an apprentice. However you only get out what you put in. If you are expecting to earn £50000.00 a year in your first 5 that will just not happen. It takes time, effort and a lot of sacrifice.
I just don’t want to see people waste their hard earned money on promises that can’t always be delivered.
 
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I just don’t want to see people waste their hard earned money on promises that can’t always be delivered.
It has to be there choice. All we can do is advise. (The good and the bad) Yes it is hard. Yes they should be an apprentice first. (Some of us didn’t have that choice) but everything in this world is achievable. Dependant on the amount of time and effort put into it.
 
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Completely achievable mate. Just do not pretend to be something you are not. Be honest and work hard. Most experience comes with time even from an apprenticeship.
The position I'm in is my passion is in domestic property. I find all aspects of of a house interesting! Am 90% through my latest project which I am also living in. Me and my handy man put a bathroom in the other week. I can do some stuff which is less skilled and have even on an old rental I used to have put in a bath before and tiled it and it worked out OK. But recently on this project I ripped out the old suite, took off the tiles and boarded the walls with plaster board and the floor with ply. My plasterer re skimmed the ceiling for me. Then my tiler came and did the walls, handy man fitted the suite and I finished off the painting . I love it. Find it great fun and very satisfying.

Yet I work in a completely different industry. It's chalk and cheese. I want to learn. A trade which can be my bread and butter to financially keep me ticking over and what I can also use on future projects. I think once I'm in the trade I will pick up loads of other transferable skills too. I just need to be doing something that interests me.
 
It’s good to have a positive attitude. I would say you’d be vastly better off taking a plumbing course in the first instance. Learn to solder learn to calculate pipe sizes, understand the science behind it then contemplate going further. Your intention to jump in with both feet and play at Gas man (no offence intended) seems more like a nice to have and a whim rather than recognising that what you are proposing is some people’s livelihood and that is the level of commitment and work involved to achieve the necessary skills. As I have said about 4 times now. There is nothing saying you cannot learn the skills but seriously look at getting PROPERLY trained. I worked with a guy who did a short course and they “taught him to solder” all they taught him was how to put two ends of 15mm pipe into a 15mm elbow, burn it to hell, dab it with solder then chuck it in a bucket of water to cool. Nothing in situ, no z dimensions, no measuring, no different materials steel etc but as far as they were concerned big tick next to “knows how to solder”
 
Has anybody got anything NEW to add to this thread? 😉
Doubtful some say it’s doable some say it’s not others are pragmatic and try and advise. There’s not really a right answer sadly
 
Just do what ever you want mate! Just get stuck in and you will soon pick it all up. You will be sweet too with them rentals ticking you over...pull in a few gas checks here and there. Loads of folks fit boilers then get them signed off...Jesus...any gas cert could be signing off 10m John Guest gas pipe under floorboards!

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Just do what ever you want mate! Just get stuck in and you will soon pick it all up. You will be sweet too with them rentals ticking you over...pull in a few gas checks here and there. Loads of folks fit boilers then get them signed off...Jesus...any gas cert could be signing off 10m John Guest gas pipe under floorboards!

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Are you gas safe?? Doesn’t make it right or legal though. Please don’t make such flippant gas related comments in open forum
 
I am gas safe registered. Its true that, unless you have completed the full installation, any gas cert could be signing of unregistered, substandard or dangerous installs.

A boiler hung by a unregistered installer is at least visible to inspect correctly.
 
A boiler hung by a unregistered installer is at least visible to inspect correctly.

A visual inspection won't tell you whether the fixings holding the boiler onto the wall are of the correct type for the wall and are sound.
 
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I am gas safe registered. Its true that, unless you have completed the full installation, any gas cert could be signing of unregistered, substandard or dangerous installs.

A boiler hung by a unregistered installer is at least visible to inspect correctly.
Please see previous response
 
Hi all. Am new to the forum. Some of what I will be discussing has been covered in previous threads but I feel my situation is a bit more unique.

I am an individual who has worked for the civil service for the past 20 years (am just shy of 40) and am looking for a career change. In my spare time I am also a property developer and over the past 15 year have done quite nicely off renovation and have a nice little property portfolio. I am now in the position where I only have to work part-time. However I hate my job and it has always been ambition to learn a trade which would earn me a living and also give me a skill which I could use when renovating / maintaining my houses.

Gas had always interested me. I have used for the past 10 years a local guy who pretty much does all property maintenance and have become friends with him. He does everything from fit bathrooms and kitchens to full central heating fittings and repair. However whilst he's fully competent he's never bothered doing his gas safe and does the bulk of the work and then his mate who is gas safe registered comes in and checks his work over and signs it off. He's done this for years and has fitted 3 boilers for me personally which were all signed off. I use a separate gas man for my landlord certs and services and he's always said the work my guy has done is good.

Recently I've been expressing to my maintenance guy that I am unhappy in my work and would like a change of career. I would also like to work for myself, be self employed and have the flexibility to work as and when I choose. I suggested gas as an option.

He suggested to me that I go and do the training and then we could potentially do some work together with him being experienced in fitting systems and me being gas safe to sign it all off. The plan would be for me to do an intensive course, get gas safe registration and get myself a van and tools. I'd would do servicing and landlord certs to fill my time and on bigger jobs we'd go together.

I am in a unique position that I only really need to earn around £1200 per month to tick over nicely so don't really need to be bringing in loads of work. My maintenance guy has also sorted it out for me to go and potentially work with his gas safe mate who is retiring within the next few years who is willing to let me go with him if I feel I need more experience at any point.

I have found a company on Birmingham called options skills. They run an 8 week intensive course and then put you with a gas safe engineer for a period of around 6 months to do your portfolio. You then come back to the test centre and do some more work before gas safe come out and check up on work you have completed. They have guaranteed that they will work with me until I am at the point that I can work independently on gas appliances. They said it will take approximately 8 months and they are involved in the whole process and guarantee you a local place with a gas safe engineer to complete the portfolio (which I have read can be an issue).

Everything seems to be in place for me to start the ball rolling and my path into the trade looks to be reasonable. But it's a big decision to quit my job and I am aware the risks are huge. The nagging feeling I have with these intensive courses are that they seem too good to be true. I am aware of the criticisms of them and that they leave you quite inexperienced and that employers won't touch you. However I am not looking for experience as this will be something I will get once I have got qualified. And I am not looking for employment as I plan to go self employed.

Given all the negative posts on intensive course on here, given my circumstances, on this occasion would doing a intensive course actually be a good idea?

Thanks in advance for anyone taking the time to reply.


Hi Jamie can you send me a private message when you get a minute, many thanks
 
Much depends on the team. Surround yourself with a good, reliable team, to which you are well disposed, and you will gain strength.
 
Just wondering how regular prayers might guarantee your success in these uncertain times? Anyone?
 

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