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the problem with these jobs is that one small firm may do all the LGSI for a particular area, it becomes an easy money maker, they run in quick bomb through the air space at the bottom of the closure plate, gas rate, all done in 10 minutes, then on to the next. you only need to work 2-3 days a week. Then someone else comes along, removes the fire, sees nest material, removes 3-4 bin bags, looks at roof, there's a terminal on, go to next one of their jobs, ILFE, in fire box, siliconed in place, never ever been removed, could'nt be removed and fire box has to be damaged to get it out.these lazy people give competent engineers the bad name.
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If a natural gas leak has occurred and is severe, oxygen can be reduced, causing dizziness, fatigue, nausea, headache, and irregular breathing.
Exposure to low levels of natural gas is not harmful to your health
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fuzzy
ch4 is methane, which is about 90%ish of natural gas
as far as im aware its non toxic unlike its previous towns gas. however if you were in a room of it you would be starved of oxygen
as far as im aware its non toxic unlike its previous towns gas. however if you were in a room of it you would be starved of oxygen
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REDSAW
holy moses!.
if the fire was being starved of gas, due to it escaping up the chimney (hense no smell of ethylbutane (whatever)) , from the ever deteriating sellotape, then it may have been co poisoning?.
main question is, how often was the fire in use?.
the point of methane not being poisonous;
excuse me father, i read about a man who was in bed smelling his own farts under the bed sheets and it literally killed him!.
if the fire was being starved of gas, due to it escaping up the chimney (hense no smell of ethylbutane (whatever)) , from the ever deteriating sellotape, then it may have been co poisoning?.
main question is, how often was the fire in use?.
the point of methane not being poisonous;
excuse me father, i read about a man who was in bed smelling his own farts under the bed sheets and it literally killed him!.
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Hybrid
This part of the forum is is viewable by everyone.
I've pm'd my gas safe number and contact details to the admins to get access to the private forums but they've not got back to me. I guess my face doesn't fit.
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REDSAW
yes,
this forum is viewable to all including yourself.
the gas safe registered plumbers only forum is not, i think an ordinary member cant even see the link.
if you are registered and wish to access this forum, drop a message to dan or dave for access and be prepared to supply credentials.
this forum is viewable to all including yourself.
the gas safe registered plumbers only forum is not, i think an ordinary member cant even see the link.
if you are registered and wish to access this forum, drop a message to dan or dave for access and be prepared to supply credentials.
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Hybrid
I messaged Dan 3 weeks ago, gave him my gas safe number, name, address and phone number. Nothing.
He may not have got around to checking the details if he's busy. I'm not going to beg lol.
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VVIC
Good morning all!
Again, thank you for your kind advice. I had some difficulty in signing in so I apologise for the delay.
As you can probably see I'm an amateur at using these forums. I had a few 'private' messages that...well...weren't certainly in line with the other contributions people have kindly made. Not really sure what their point was. Time wasting I suppose.
I hope these photos help. To answer your question, 'no,' there was no 'bomb' ever used. As best my recollection is last year and two years hence the men who came never once went into the kitchen to check the gas metre.
Interestingly, I received in the post yesterday an envelope, (with a large red stamp saying it had been mis-posted to Bermuda of all places...(wish that would happen to me!). It contained a document from the recent engineer covering his work and validating the fact that the gas pipe was not connected properly. There was also a note that my cooker didn't have a chain bolting it to the wall. I gather this wasn't so outrageous an infringement that my home has been closed down and my cooker confiscated...thank goodness!
I've again spoken with several neighbours and they all have stated that this year was the first time by their recollection that any gas inspection included a leak check. But I'm somewhat skeptical about this as several of them are quite elderly and often can't recall what they had for lunch.
You are very kind to have found some information regarding the possibilities of natural gas poisoning. I will read through it more thoroughly this evening. The symptomologies all appear appropriate to what I've experienced though.
Yesterday I made the first step and made an appointment to speak with a solicitor. I'm not sure where I'm headed with this. But the greatest fear, the part I'm losing sleep over is whether there are other people who have been (forgive me for using such a strong term) victimised by what has happened.
We, the general public, are ignorant to possibilities of what can happen and we trust those professionals who are sent to provide services HM government clearly sees as important enough to make a law regarding annual inspections.
As I say, no idea where I'm headed with this, but I'll keep you abreast.
Again, thank you for your kind thoughts and advice.
Fr B+
Again, thank you for your kind advice. I had some difficulty in signing in so I apologise for the delay.
As you can probably see I'm an amateur at using these forums. I had a few 'private' messages that...well...weren't certainly in line with the other contributions people have kindly made. Not really sure what their point was. Time wasting I suppose.
I hope these photos help. To answer your question, 'no,' there was no 'bomb' ever used. As best my recollection is last year and two years hence the men who came never once went into the kitchen to check the gas metre.
Interestingly, I received in the post yesterday an envelope, (with a large red stamp saying it had been mis-posted to Bermuda of all places...(wish that would happen to me!). It contained a document from the recent engineer covering his work and validating the fact that the gas pipe was not connected properly. There was also a note that my cooker didn't have a chain bolting it to the wall. I gather this wasn't so outrageous an infringement that my home has been closed down and my cooker confiscated...thank goodness!
I've again spoken with several neighbours and they all have stated that this year was the first time by their recollection that any gas inspection included a leak check. But I'm somewhat skeptical about this as several of them are quite elderly and often can't recall what they had for lunch.
You are very kind to have found some information regarding the possibilities of natural gas poisoning. I will read through it more thoroughly this evening. The symptomologies all appear appropriate to what I've experienced though.
Yesterday I made the first step and made an appointment to speak with a solicitor. I'm not sure where I'm headed with this. But the greatest fear, the part I'm losing sleep over is whether there are other people who have been (forgive me for using such a strong term) victimised by what has happened.
We, the general public, are ignorant to possibilities of what can happen and we trust those professionals who are sent to provide services HM government clearly sees as important enough to make a law regarding annual inspections.
As I say, no idea where I'm headed with this, but I'll keep you abreast.
Again, thank you for your kind thoughts and advice.
Fr B+
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VVIC
I thought I'd add one other thing...rather an important lesson. I read your notes about oxygen starvation. Bingo! In the sitting room, quite close to the fire, is a small white grille, which I now understand is that ever-essential spot for fresh air to come in or interior air to escape. Unbeknownst to me that it was actually there, there has been a small bookcase in front of the grille for at least ten years. I'm not sure whether that's enough to completely starve the room of air flow but I'd gather it's a start.
My daughter had a canary several years ago. It was generally happy and chirpy. Came home one afternoon and it was dead. No idea why especially considering how happy it seemed six hours earlier. Now I think I know why. That's just an aside, but again more data to suggest something was wrong.
Oh and as for the methane under the sheets story; I'm not sure that isn't a piece of lore that has been passed around for many years. I should think the poor flatulent individual would have had to be the size of the QE2 to have produced such volume necessary to effect mortality. But who knows.
My daughter had a canary several years ago. It was generally happy and chirpy. Came home one afternoon and it was dead. No idea why especially considering how happy it seemed six hours earlier. Now I think I know why. That's just an aside, but again more data to suggest something was wrong.
Oh and as for the methane under the sheets story; I'm not sure that isn't a piece of lore that has been passed around for many years. I should think the poor flatulent individual would have had to be the size of the QE2 to have produced such volume necessary to effect mortality. But who knows.
the tape is to protect the pipe from corrosion not to seal it the solder has not run properly this may have been ok on installation but obviously leaked after and should have been spotted this is why a tightness test should be done.I have done LGS certs in the past no drop but later called out to smell of gas and the joint not soldered it was sealed with flux
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Hybrid
Wazza is right. You can see on the connector the lead solder which hasn't penetrated the joint correctly.
I think the previous engineer was indugling in a little hyperbole when he said he'd never seen anything like it and it was being held together with tape.
We've all seen and heard of incidences where fittings haven't been made correctly but pass the standard tests for soundness on installation.
It seems this fitting passed the initial check and due to being wrapped with anti corrosive tape passed any subsequent tests.
That said it's still an unacceptable situation, there's been a gas leak due to bad workmanship so it should be reported to the HSE.
I think the previous engineer was indugling in a little hyperbole when he said he'd never seen anything like it and it was being held together with tape.
We've all seen and heard of incidences where fittings haven't been made correctly but pass the standard tests for soundness on installation.
It seems this fitting passed the initial check and due to being wrapped with anti corrosive tape passed any subsequent tests.
That said it's still an unacceptable situation, there's been a gas leak due to bad workmanship so it should be reported to the HSE.
As above the photos show a solder joint wrapped against corrosion.
That said if the engineer was carrying out a full landlords safety certificate there are sections on the CP12 where he would have signed for the tightness check (at the meter) and also a box to say the ventilation was correct (ie correct size and not blocked).
How long has passed since the last certificate and this latest inspection? and who is to say it has not failed since then?
A joint like this is impossible to spot with the eye and the previous engineer would have relied solely on a tightness check.
If the air vent is the only one into the room and it was blocked then that should have been noticed but I cannot see how you can blame the previous engineer for the leak?
After all looking at the boiler it was installed 15 maybe 20 years ago and I would be very surprised if records exist saying who installed it.
My advise would be thankful it has been found and rectified and move on, don't make it into some sort of witch hunt.
That said if the engineer was carrying out a full landlords safety certificate there are sections on the CP12 where he would have signed for the tightness check (at the meter) and also a box to say the ventilation was correct (ie correct size and not blocked).
How long has passed since the last certificate and this latest inspection? and who is to say it has not failed since then?
A joint like this is impossible to spot with the eye and the previous engineer would have relied solely on a tightness check.
If the air vent is the only one into the room and it was blocked then that should have been noticed but I cannot see how you can blame the previous engineer for the leak?
After all looking at the boiler it was installed 15 maybe 20 years ago and I would be very surprised if records exist saying who installed it.
My advise would be thankful it has been found and rectified and move on, don't make it into some sort of witch hunt.
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Gray0689
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secret squirrel
Not 100% bit behind on my religious doctrine (trust me not wanting to get political) but I think its only Catholic priests that can't marry and have to celebate.
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Gray0689
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