pipe sizes for complete heating/DHW system

[Gray0689]

I don't know the size if your house that one was 6500square foot so yes it was verging on light commercial
Alpha 2 is a good pump
But I'm sure 1 will not be enough
Will there be any radiators in house or towel rails?

 

[Gray0689]

I always love pics of Gray's (Alex) work.

Just art. Always brilliant work.

Thanks Danny but I'm sure your work every bit as good and better

 

[Dannypipe]

Nice work too Vern. Lots of plumbing smut on here tonight for us trully sad gits.

 

[Dannypipe]

Thanks Danny but I'm sure your work every bit as good and better

No mate, it's not! LOL.

 

[pappasmurf]

vern that is a very impress install
Grays0689 yes there will be 4 towel rails in all the shower rooms. why did u say that it wont be enough 🙁((

 

[vern]

only i went one better in that i thought we could just tee off again from the second floor manifold to the loft manifold without using even the second pump or mzv.

🙂

if you read option 1 lol i used the term common'ed up same as above

 

[Gray0689]

Then you will need mechanical mixing valves on all manifolds and pumps

 

[Gray0689]

No mate, it's not! LOL.

Don't Believe you mate

 

[vern]

Nice work too Vern. Lots of plumbing smut on here tonight for us trully sad gits.

Cheers pal.....lol @ your edit!! as said not our best, but if you had seen the install before.......oh my word!!

 

[Dannypipe]

Pappa Smurf, you need to hire someone like the two gents who have posted photos to do this. It can't be done by your average jobbing plumber. Doesn't matter that what you want isn't a nuclear power station. It is still very far removed from bread and butter work for most guys.

If your pockets are deep enough, then get one of these blokes down to do it. The problem is, no one is going to want to spend hours speccing and designing this, only for you to give the job to some one else.

I've done a fair few big systems, but it's not my average day at the office. You need to speak to some one who is doing this every single day.

 

[vern]

Then you will need mechanical mixing valves on all manifolds and pumps

Yep you will....cheat and fit electric towel rails lol

 

[Gray0689]

Here a picture of a broag LLH (very compact black box) it is rated @ 80 - 120 KW, here it is with 2 x WB 30CDI system boilerswith vertical flues, feeding the heat, along side a 300L megaflo

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Not our best....... but gives you a visual...... we only had 3 days as we had the nursing home shut down, and had to join on to what was there pipe and system wise, and they would not allow us to move the washer or dryer you see in the pics making it very tight!! in this time we had to move some rads fit a new remote repressurisation unit and strip out a packaged burner ACV combi and flue, which was where the Megaflow is now sat

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Looks good for the room you had mate
Nice work

 

[Gray0689]

If you go with weather compensation with mixing valve and one pump you can still have a towel rain circuit no problem

 

[pappasmurf]

Gray0689 noooooooooooooooo more to think about! .......bo ho bo ho bo ho 🙁

 

[Gray0689]

It's a no brainer to me mate
But it's your house

 

[pappasmurf]

Gray0689 i can use one of the ports i have saved on the LLH for the towel rails 🙂

 

[Gray0689]

Like I said mate its your house!

 

[Plum Bob 66]

snowhead my neighbour opposite has exactly the same house and setup up as what i have just described!... only thing is they don't have underfloor heating but radiators. i have included a couple of pictures of their setup in the loft. they also have 4 shower rooms and 2 kitchens and they have absolutely no problem! and as i said before i tried looking on the internet in yell.com for HEATING DESIGNING ENGINEERS and it just comes up with your bog standard plumbers!View attachment 8287

Providing the system wasnt installed before your neighbours moved in have you asked them who they used?

 

[Gray0689]

Providing the system wasnt installed before your neighbours moved in have you asked them who they used?

Yes to stay away from them

 

[TBServices]

Pappa Smurf, you need to hire someone like the two gents who have posted photos to do this. It can't be done by your average jobbing plumber. Doesn't matter that what you want isn't a nuclear power station. It is still very far removed from bread and butter work for most guys.

If your pockets are deep enough, then get one of these blokes down to do it. The problem is, no one is going to want to spend hours speccing and designing this, only for you to give the job to some one else.

I've done a fair few big systems, but it's not my average day at the office. You need to speak to some one who is doing this every single day.

I want to know how to get into doing this every day tbh

 

[Gray0689]

Move to an area that generally build big with money then work hard for about 10 to 15 years till you get a name for doing good work then you hope you get paid at end of job or your screwed
Hope that helps

 

[TBServices]

Haha, I think the first job would probably kill me/fry my brain.

 

[Gray0689]

Lol end up grey and less hair like me lol

 

[on31ll]

loving the smut lads. quality installs them.

 

[vern]

Move to an area that generally build big with money then work hard for about 10 to 15 years till you get a name for doing good work then you hope you get paid at end of job or your screwed
Hope that helps

Exactly this last year we hooked up 3 x 40 kw boilers on a LLH and loads of pumps etc, we were owed £26K! It went on for 10 months, no wonder I have a frier tuck hair do! You can make money, but when it goes wrong most go under!

 

[chris watkins]

Of course what pappasmurf could / should have done in the first place, IMHO, is engaged the services of a CIBSE mechanical consulting engineer who would have sat down with him, talked through all the different options & come up with a design which he would have then owned & it would have been backed by PI insurance in case things went wrong.
He could have then used this design to get heating companies to tender like for like for the work required.
He might not of liked the bill for this service mind you, much easier to walk over the road & have a look at the neighbours place & rely on the local poorly trained plumber or a forum to fill-in the rest.

 

[Gray0689]

Never a truer word spoken chris I agree 100%

 

[pappasmurf]

Then you will need mechanical mixing valves on all manifolds and pumps

Gray0689 which mixing valves are you refering to?... as the underfloor heating manifolds already have automatic mixing valves 🙂

 

[Gray0689]

That's the mixing valves I on about

 

[pappasmurf]

Gra0689 please read your reply above! is it a typo?.... i dont understand 🙁 as i said the "automatic" mixing valves are already installed on the undefloor heating manifolds!... so pls tell me which mixing valve/s u are talking about?

 

[Gray0689]

The ones on manifold
There only attached to manifolds you can get them without
Mate you need to get someone in to help you as your going to get yourself in a muddle as you have a little knowledge and that can be a dangerous mix sometimes
And I mean that in a nice way

 

[on31ll]

i subcontracted for a friend while he got back on his feet ethel austins took him for £175 k ! when the people with the money sorted it they offered him 3p to the pound

 

[vern]

I will keep it brief as you really need someone on site!

Option 3 ......Junk the 24 Ri ,bash in a 40 CDi (actually 41KW) no LLH Commercial spec grunfos pump for primary's say 42mm copper so 11/2" flanged, 4 zone valves (DHW,1 for each UFH Manifold) with autobypass honeywell DU146........5 pumps = 1 x main 1 x bronze secondary 3 already fitted on UFH manifolds, ensure megflo has a balancing valve fiited on return from coil, to obtain 20 deg diff, as 1/1/2" pump will send it through the coil too quickly on DHW mode only, Autobypass will sort the rest, and UFH manfiolds will look after themselves due to mixing valve etc...........
Aww Cr@p book me a hotel!!!!

Heres a crap blackberry picture of a 4 zone system with a 250L Megaflo, with bronze pumped secondary return, it was powered by a 40CDi not in pictures.....this gives you an idea of the room required to install such equipment so be aware of that issue....note these pics were a year on taken on 1 service, note the lagging was supposed to be done by customer as he said why pay us to do a job he could!!

The UFH Manifold was remote mounted under the stairs and just did a 9 zones on the ground floor, second floor was radiators, 1 bathroom and 2 en suites.

lol just seen our sticker peeling from Magnaclean!

 

[Gray0689]

9 branch manifold on 22mm pipe mate!

 

[vern]

9 branch manifold on 22mm pipe mate!

Lol well spotted pal, long story short......small 9 zones e.g downstairs W/C, utility, hall etc, nothing was common'ed up, we did not do the under floor, he contracted it out, also the house was all 1st fixed in hep20 back to the garage, just above where you can see the zone valves, by a plumber who bottled the job and did a runner, luckily he had labeled all the pipes 1st, so 22mm was all we had as all the walls were up and plastered, solid oak skirting etc.....by the time we were involved!

This was a get it finished job and the customer understood we were only liable for the work as the pictures in the garage, this is what happens when you try to save money by employing loads of different contractors on a price! Hence the lagging never got done, in fact 2nd service due anytime so we will see.

BTW the UFH works a treat..... I asked on 1st ASV