My take on this, I fit a boiler last week which was about two metres from a door. I turned the flue terminal to point away from the door and away from the garden path. The trainee I had with me asked why when the flue was about 2.4mts high and I said just because it's good plume management. It reduces the risk of POC blowing back in, and it stops anyone from walking up the garden path getting a face full of POC/steam. I personally wouldn't ID a boiler for this but would offer strong advice and insist on a plume management kit.
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I know CO is a killer, I have personally attended 4 CO poisoning incidents, along with explosion incidents, in my time, one of the CO poisonings fatal! All way back when the likelihood of CO poisoning was a great deal higher!
In the said incident above a great deal of contributing factors brought about this childs death and, in my opinion, does not compare with the ops post which seems to adhere to all the relevant mi's? albeit not the best 🙂
Update: found this article an interesting read for anyone interested http://www.southglos.gov.uk/Documents/Leaflets/Boiler Fumes 2011.pdf
In the said incident above a great deal of contributing factors brought about this childs death and, in my opinion, does not compare with the ops post which seems to adhere to all the relevant mi's? albeit not the best 🙂
Update: found this article an interesting read for anyone interested http://www.southglos.gov.uk/Documents/Leaflets/Boiler Fumes 2011.pdf
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Good article, but not absolutely accurate; Government study or not. A condensing boiler can produce up to 200ppm CO at 10%co2 and be with in manufacturer requirements for ratio readings. I guess they are working their figures out on the average. My discipline, was as a gas safety incident investigator mainly relating to CO poisonings.
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Since the onset of condensing boilers and CO Alarms I have attended and tested about a dozens or so reports of fumes! On every occasion bar one there was no change in the customers room environment. The one that did was a tiny kitchen and the appliance in question turned out to be a cooker!
In my opinion without carrying out a room test you can prove nothing! If the appliance flue position is installed as per mi's then all you can say about the ops install is that at most it's a nuisance. You advise the customer of your findings, arrange for a room test to be carried out, if you can't do it yourself, and discuss the safety aspects with the customer. Let them make the decision as to whether they use it or not! End of the day they are now educated in the potential issues that may arise.
We do not have the right to deprive people of heat and hot water because of our fears IMHO 🙂
In my opinion without carrying out a room test you can prove nothing! If the appliance flue position is installed as per mi's then all you can say about the ops install is that at most it's a nuisance. You advise the customer of your findings, arrange for a room test to be carried out, if you can't do it yourself, and discuss the safety aspects with the customer. Let them make the decision as to whether they use it or not! End of the day they are now educated in the potential issues that may arise.
We do not have the right to deprive people of heat and hot water because of our fears IMHO 🙂
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You use the regulations as law and everything else is up to your engineering discretion. Only the engineer on site at that particular time can make the call.
If another engineer then goes back under different weather conditions and he decides all is ok so be it but imo it is better to be cautious than to end up on a manslaughter charge.
Second guessing on a forum when you have not even seen a job is wrong imo.
If another engineer then goes back under different weather conditions and he decides all is ok so be it but imo it is better to be cautious than to end up on a manslaughter charge.
Second guessing on a forum when you have not even seen a job is wrong imo.
My view for what its worth is to ask the questions
1) Is the boiler fitted to manufs spec and is the flue positioned according to manufs spec and British standards?
2)Is the boiler operating correctly?
If the above are all yes then i see no case for ID and i would simply give verbal advice and append notes on documentation/receipt issued to customer.
One cannot be held responsible for the vagaries of the weather or the occupiers pattern of usage of doors or windows.
1) Is the boiler fitted to manufs spec and is the flue positioned according to manufs spec and British standards?
2)Is the boiler operating correctly?
If the above are all yes then i see no case for ID and i would simply give verbal advice and append notes on documentation/receipt issued to customer.
One cannot be held responsible for the vagaries of the weather or the occupiers pattern of usage of doors or windows.
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Taffman
i totally agree with Pssst on this one, if fitted to MIMs and is working correctly how can it be ID???
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