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Why don't you Post the steps on here with the drops for type of meter time for let by and so on then the public can have a read. But remember it will have your name on it so if someone did have a go and messed up and lived to tell the tail it could all come back to u.
Transco " so why were y doing a drop test ?"
joe " I was Reading on line when I found how to do it.
I didn't think it was against the law because if it was they wouldn't explained how to do it. "
 
That is silly Macplumb and it is not what I said.

You can't get into trouble for giving advice on a forum, especially safety information, its entirely at the readers discretion whether they follow it or not anyway.

Next thing you will be telling me, is that doctors all over the world are being arrested for giving medical advice on the internet and the government has closed down the NHS Direct internet site for giving advice.

Look at things this way then:

If a DIYer wants do a job they think they are competent to do, how are you going to stop them doing it?

Incidentally it is not against the law to do gas work in your own home if you are competent to do so. What constitutes competency has yet to be tested in the courts.

So a DIYer doing work in their own home, may very well think they know enough, to consider themselves competent. In reality they may know little about the job.

You can't say "You don't know how to do that?" they think they can. And I suppose, they are hardly likely to ask your permission to do the work, they may not even know you.

But if they happen to live next door to you and your family and a system they have installed incorrectly goes BANG what do you do?

Sue them?

But by then your family may be splattered all over the neighbourhood.

So which would you prefer?

A DIYer to do a job you can't stop them doing, doing it more safely or a DIYer doing a job any old way they think is safe?

Either way its your choice, I know which I would prefer.

Then suppose there was a gas explosion and the HSE investigated and found you knew the right way to do things, the DIYer had asked you and you had refused to tell them the dangers or proper procedures required, for reasons of your own.

Being a gas fitter you are probably classed as a responsible person and so not to give advice when asked, may be considered irresponsible and a good safety lawyer would probably have you in pieces in minutes.

Giving correct and full advice does not constitute any support for the listeners later actions of course.

There are probably plenty of people who could tell you how to fire a gun, but is it their fault if you shoot somebody?

Lets be more human please. DIYers do not intentionally go out to do bad jobs, I find its quite the reverse usually. Its usually through a lack of knowledge they get them wrong.

Another aspect is: If you knew what the DIYer was doing and reported them to the gas supplier, like you should if you think there is a suspected dangerous installation.

Now suppose the gas supplier found the DIYers installation to be correct and all standards followed. They can't refuse to supply the gas, because it proves the DIYer was competent by the standard of the work done.

Perhaps the DIYer may sue you instead, for bringing him or her into disrepute by suggesting they where jeopardising peoples safety?

Things are often not as simple as they seem.

Anything that may improve safety is a positive not a negative, whether that thing is information or not and most people respond if they know the reason why things are done, rather than told not to do it without an explanation.

As an add if you can't give them information on gas drops then it follws you should not be able to on gas boilers or unvented systems. That doesn't leave much to talk about on the forum does it, if you consider how many boiler questions we get. What about if Plumbers are required to be registered to work with water?

Will we have a forum full of blank mails?
 
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You guys are weird and dangerous!

The next you will be saying, is that only registered GaSafe engineers should light cooker hobs or alter the regulo setting on cooker ovens.

But you give me a good laugh anyway 🙂 🙂

You young guys!!!!
 
Bernie, its 'Gas Safe' NOT 'GaSafe', which is very annoying when your banging on about the gas industry/gas engineers and you cant even get the name right.
 
knowledge is a product though and a product is worth an amount

If I knew how to make a new renewable energy not thought of do you think for one minute i would give this information out for free, I would patent and maybe then sell it to the highest bidder or look at the route of developing it myself

Information has always cost money and always will, yes if you know where to look you can get some bits for free, but if you want it offiaical and from a trustworthy source then get your wallet out.

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I dont thnink Bernie has lost the plot I just think this is a valid debate and he has taken one side which is the minority, nothing saying he is wrong and I/We are right
 
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Hi! Mark

You are correct it is Gas Safe not GaSafe, I got that I think from an old logo of theirs. I did know the scheme is called Gas Safe.

By the way it is okay to disagree you know. Perhaps I do come at things from a minority angle, probably having been a Plumbing tutor for a while as well as a registered Plumber /gas fitter servicing thousands of houses, it perhaps gives you a different perspective.

Extensive gas Fitting knowledge by the way, is widely held by many other people other than ACS registered gas fitters. And having that knowledge they don't usually
go around doing DIY gas fitting in their own home. Even though its not against the law for them to do so.

The said reason is that they are not stupid, they know how onerous it is on the individual if they do.

Its not having gas fitting knowledge that stops them doing paid cowboy work either, its the law.

So possessing gas fitting knowledge by itself is not dangerous, it would appear its a good safety feature acting as a deterrent, for knowing the dangers and who the legal onus is on, many don't do it for those very reasons.

If they had no knowledge of how things are done they may very well just think its simple and have a go. After all is that not what most DIYers and cowboys do?

The question to ask perhaps is "Would they do it if they knew what was involved in the job?"

The answer as far as I am aware is No!
 
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im laughing at the secretacy of this magical tightness test,
1min Let by Test at 10 mb
1min temperature stabilisation at 20mb
2min tightness test
OOOPS did i just spill the beans

but anyway, u cant do it without being on the gas safe register
and like someone said if you got any trouble there is the grid number
0800 111 999 i think off the top of my head.

Peace Guys!!!
 

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