Scottish Autonomy Pros & Cons

[hammers4spanner]

That's the kind of bilge that Scots find infuriating....what does England subsidise us? No way pal. The UK Treasury figures show that Scotland pays more to the UK than it gets back, in fact we have a surplus. No one is "propping" us up or subsidising us. In fact the oil revenues from our shores have been squandered on the failed policies of successive UK governments since the 70's and in fact pays for Englands dole queues which are far bigger than ours and certainly that of Glasgow. Strange how Norway managed to put all the oil money into a oil fund to benefit their citizens, while Westminster hasn't?!!

As for our free tuition fees, care for the elderly, free bus passes for our old folk, free prescriptions and all the other policies that our Scottish government have introduced are paid for and budgeted for, not subsidised by the UK. Note I say the UK Treasury and not the English Treasury as there is no such thing, so how can you say England props us up!!!!!
Shame the Tories can't introduce and budget for the things we get up here for you in England eh?!!

If you want the same as what we have, stop greetin your wee eyes out and moaning a lot of bilge about us being subsidised by "England" (What a bloody joke that one is), and go out and vote for a government that will introduce policies to help YOU!!!

One benefit of independence is that we won't have to listen to and put up with crap like this anymore.....plus no more Tories ever!! There's more Pandas up here than Tory MSP's.

Finally a UGov poll in the Scottish Sun shows 46% for Independence and 36% against, with the remainder undecided and there's still 2 years to go.

I am scottish i dont find it infuriating at all nor does my family nor cousins , i think you speak for a small part of the populace about independance, most of my cousins couldnt give a monkeys . to be fair i have no issue nor ever have living in england as my mother says its warmer for a start

 

[hammers4spanner]

on another note most of the previous govt were scottish including blair !!

 

[Guest123]

Who propped up the Scottish banks?

Ha, ha, RBS is owned by an English Bank. England didn't prop up anything, the funds came from the UK Treasury, which we in Scotland pay into and get back less than we pay.

Who propped up the English based banks like Northern Rock etc........everyone did! Just like the recent railway balls up by the Tories costing millions, the over budget Millenium Dome, the London Olympics and all the other expensive things you all "conveniently" forget about, we all contributed to the cost.

 

[Dotty]

There are still certain elements I cannot wrap my head round. You want total autonomy yet want to retain sterling as your unit of currency and The Queen as your head of state. You may not be voted into the european union (Though at the moment that's not a bad thing!).

I agree re. the tories, absolutely. the last two PM's were scottish however. I'll let you draw your own conclusion over them!

 

[Guest123]

I am scottish i dont find it infuriating at all nor does my family nor cousins , i think you speak for a small part of the populace about independance, most of my cousins couldnt give a monkeys . to be fair i have no issue nor ever have living in england as my mother says its warmer for a start

No those who REALLY care about our country and giving our kids a decent future and not more of the same want independence and there's a lot more of us than you think. Over 26,000 people contributed to the Scottish Governments Consultation up here, while only 5,000 contributed in the UK one.

 

[Barry98]

Can believe your having a debate with amany who's been on tv

 

[Guest123]

There are still certain elements I cannot wrap my head round. You want total autonomy yet want to retain sterling as your unit of currency and The Queen as your head of state. You may not be voted into the european union (Though at the moment that's not a bad thing!).

I agree re. the tories, absolutely. the last two PM's were scottish however. I'll let you draw your own conclusion over them!

We would join all the other nations in the commonwealth who share the Queen as head of state. There are many countries in the world who share a common currency, so we would have Sterling. Membership of the EU would have to be applied for as would England, but not one member state voiced any objection when recently asked, in fact quite the opposite, they would welcome Scotland.

 

[Guest123]

Ok the last 2 PM's were "Scottish", but lived, worked and paid their taxes in England, so they were about as Scottish as Prince Charles. They only did as bad as all their English predecessors any way. Remember, Thatcher?!!!

 

[hammers4spanner]

well at this current moment in time the average scot gets £1000 pound a year more than those in england from govt ,
the general revenue that the govt shell out in scotland and what they recieve is a constant shortfall per year ,
to rely on oil as main source of revenue is risky due to a volatile market ,

however england relies on natural fuel from scotland so kinda balances itself out slightly,
my opinion is that britain dominated the world under the union so its not been a bad thing , scotland does o.k from england and vice versa but idf scotland goes alone i do honestly believe that they wont find the times as good without england as with !!

 

[Guest123]

'Scotland needs independence because that is the natural state for all nations.
Independence – which means taking responsibility – will be good for Scotland. And it will be good for England too.
Scotland will more than pay its own way as an independent nation, and the official figures prove it.
Thought you might want to read the facts, not the fiction about poor subsidised Scotland:
The latest statistics show that Scotland has run a current budget surplus in four of the five years to 2009-10.
Meanwhile, the UK was in current budget deficit in every one of those years, and hasn’t run a current budget surplus since 2001-02.
Scotland accounted for 9.3 per cent of UK public spending in 2009-10, but contributed 9.4 per cent of overall UK tax revenue.
The international comparisons also show that Scotland is more than capable of paying its way.
One of the reasons of course for that healthy position in comparison to other nations is that Scotland has a trillion pound asset base in the form of our remaining North Sea oil and gas reserves.
And, as recent announcements have shown, there is still plenty of life left in Scotland’s offshore oil and gas industry.
Even David Cameron has admitted that Scotland’s oil will be flowing for 'many, many years' to come.
But independence is about much more than just the country’s cash balance.
It will mean talking on all the rights and responsibilities that come with being independent – and above all it will mean Scotland speaking for ourselves in the world.
That is so important when it comes to many of Scotland’s vital interests like fishing and farming.
Scotland and England will continue in a social union after independence, which means we will still have strong bonds of friendship and family ties.
People will still be able to visit relatives over the border and watch their favourite TV shows – just like those in independent Ireland already do.
We will give the people of Scotland the chance to choose independence in the second half of this parliamentary term, just as we promised in this year’s Scottish Parliament election.
And when Scotland does become independent, England will lose a surly lodger and gain a friendly neighbour.'


Read more: Scottish independence: Alex Salmond and Michael Moore on the referendum | Metro.co.uk

 

[Guest123]

Can believe your having a debate with amany who's been on tv

I know Lee, I feel it's like Bannockburn all over again on here in this thread, the few against the many. Still we won that one too! LOL

 

[hammers4spanner]

I personally wouldnt read to much into that spin !

 

[Guest123]

I personally wouldnt read to much into that spin !

Not spin, thats fact and backed up by the UK Treasury.

Seems to me, people in England see all the good things happening here and can't get it so they moan about them having to pay for it. What crap! Go and do something about it, if we can get these things so can you!

 

[Guest123]

A good debate, but I'm off for a beer, will come back for round 2 tomorrow night lads!

Everyone have a good (and prosperous) Monday.

 

[hammers4spanner]

Theres no fact in spin , fact is scotland had a 1.3 billion shortfall last year . Myself i am not bothered at all and have done o.k living in england . regarding last two primes being scottish you will find nearly all of blairs staff and fellow mp's were either scottish or of scottish background so scotland has been running britain anyway at one point

now we are stuck with a public schoolboy toff 🙁

 

[SimonG]

What's the immigration policy going to be like?, wha about border control? What about the poor souls who live just north or just south of the border. 'Sorry luv, can't make it today, forgot to pick up me passport'

 

[markfxy]

Better start building the wall back up we might need to keep them out when it all goes **** up.

 

[kirkgas]

I'm against separation as I think the double cost to fund everything is not worth the bother and I'm also concerned its the first move towards us being a republic which I'm totally against

 

[Barry98]

PM and Salmond seal referendum deal - Yahoo! News UK

 

[Mike Jackson]

The big question is if Scotland get independence do we push for repatriation?