from what i gather if you do both eco and GD then its over 10 grands worth of paperwork hassle , i am not sure what the rates are direct from the energy companies tho
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julesverne
thats not what i asked i want to know what funding is given for a straight swap combi etc before the money is cut up and trickles down to midddlemen etc.
why would i want to do subbie work. defeats the whole object of being self employed. i ain't lining the pocket of some middle man and taking all the responsibility for a few hundred quid. would rather go work for BG
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julesverne
i honestly think thats Chinese whispers.
you can get pas 2030 software for £300.00 plus VAT just need a agreeable missus or someone willing to do the paperwork. thats why i think we should get together as a collective and cut all the rest out.
thats exactly what they said down plumb center today , they said since this has properly started kicking off that one man bands work has died a death .
not thought through at all this scheme
i know about 5 local firms that have done this now one of them gave me a break down of costs all said same thing .on paper apparently when you start this off you think its a few hundred quid but beforew you know it your upto your neck in it
i did my first boiler swap in ages on tuesday
got a conversion to do on the horizon, had no enquires at all over boiler chchanges landlords who have used me for a few years hardly ring these days, it's on it's arse this game big time if you work for yourself
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julesverne
it is tough at the moment but then i do a lot bathroom refurb's and plumbing so i don't feel it as hard if i was just doing Gas i think the story may be different. but dont forget though eco funding only goes to people on benefits and pensions. so there's whole lot of others out there that need boilers . finding them that's the hard part.
i also find april to july is utter pants for getting boilers swaps cust are more interested in holidays.
i also find april to july is utter pants for getting boilers swaps cust are more interested in holidays.
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The obscure thing about this scheme is that a neighbour just down the road from me asked me to quote her central heating system for her which i done . She was happy with price and looked into ways to afford to do the works like a loan however she stumbled across the green deal .
Now she asked me about it whichy i told her however i cant fit her heating under green deal so now shes asking the question am i qualified to do central heating??
so in a nutshell this green deal is utterly stupid
Now she asked me about it whichy i told her however i cant fit her heating under green deal so now shes asking the question am i qualified to do central heating??
so in a nutshell this green deal is utterly stupid
Seems crazy the government are trying to stimulate growth & employment etc, then bring in the green screw you over deal, which takes a huge chunk of work away from many firms / self employed and only benefits the likes of British gas & big players...
I heard the scheme is initiated & funded by the big energy companies, so its them who want the install work generated... It's there way of getting rid of the little guys, because they cannot compete on price, but we can't compete on bull@@t like pas2030... I don't know what that is, and don't really care. All I know is I don't want it!
i hope they scrap the whole thing, a boiler scrap page type scheme would be more welcome, and easier for customer & installers alike...
I heard the scheme is initiated & funded by the big energy companies, so its them who want the install work generated... It's there way of getting rid of the little guys, because they cannot compete on price, but we can't compete on bull@@t like pas2030... I don't know what that is, and don't really care. All I know is I don't want it!
i hope they scrap the whole thing, a boiler scrap page type scheme would be more welcome, and easier for customer & installers alike...
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jase158
I thought it was only for solar, oh well, will take a look through all posts and research this as may be good to offer to customers!!
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tamz
This is the way of things to come.
If you do heating you will have to jump onto this or be left behind. The green deal itself is shyt. The usual government ill thought out idea from people who couldn't spell shift!
Nobody wants it and there has been no work done under the green deal (no matter how much they hype it) and according to an interview on radio 4 last week, out of 38,000 assesments there is a grand sum of 4 people who are signed up but no work has yet been done. BBC News - Only four people sign up for flagship Green Deal
All the work is being done through the ECO gold rush (paid for byus on our bills) but unfortunately you are unlikely (unless you want to go the whole hog) to get much of a rush out of it as you will be subbing for bottom dollar.
This will affect everyone in the trade. You either jump on and work for 1990 prices or your work will rapidly dry up and you will have to change.
Up until about March i was doing at least boiler a week but most times 2 a week. I've done 7 since then.
I had a call on Monday for a repair on a boiler (it needed an APS). Before i had the case back on, i was handed the phone from the daughter of the guy, who told me not to fix it because her dad could get a new boiler for nothing through ECO. I couldn't argue as he probably would but was then left with the how much do i charge for my waste of time. Just give me 20 quid for turning up.
This is the biggest game changer ever to hit the heating game. I can't really be ar$ed competing in it but i am still booked in for the pas 2030 shyt training (about on par with how to pysh in a tank) so i can keep in the game but i am changing direction and moving into different things.
The heating game is fkd for the small guy. If it is not the manu's cutting your grass it is the government.
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I'd be charging full rate for call out, sod it, if your getting nothing more from them, get as much as you can now
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Dickie
What tamz has stated is very true & his posts are always worth a read if you want a real insight into how our trade works.
Some other details on the ECO scheme, limited or no work is done to the existing radiators or central heating system, it's not covered by the scheme. Many companies are not cleaning systems correctly, so long term it's not good for the new boilers.
Yes it's a free boiler but nothing else.
As I've stated, there's subbie work out there, but be selective & realistic. Also as the scheme goes on the cowboys will be found out & the cream will rise to the top.
Some other details on the ECO scheme, limited or no work is done to the existing radiators or central heating system, it's not covered by the scheme. Many companies are not cleaning systems correctly, so long term it's not good for the new boilers.
Yes it's a free boiler but nothing else.
As I've stated, there's subbie work out there, but be selective & realistic. Also as the scheme goes on the cowboys will be found out & the cream will rise to the top.
PAS2030 is for green deal installers though....???
PAS 2030 Installer Accreditation | Green Deal Installer
Is that needed for the ECO scheme then?
PAS 2030 Installer Accreditation | Green Deal Installer
Is that needed for the ECO scheme then?
yes think it is , i enquired about eco and sounded very much same as green deal but without the bells
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diamondgas
I hate this idea! It'll kill off a lot of small businesses who rely on doing the 'crap' jobs big business usually turn away from! I hope and pray that the legitimate small businesses working about can be gifted enough work to weather the storm!! had a landlord customer call me wanting me to replace a boiler under ECO! Alas, I said, all I can offer is a check after install and maybe a magna to protect the system after install! Least I get something out of it and maybe the CP12 next year? ECO potentially is going to cripple the small businesses in this industry that rely on the servicing the Shylark Landlords out there!!
I totally agree this is probably been arranged to kill off one man bands from the heating game they cant compete with pricing of the one man band so in one hit its pretty much sqyueezed us out of business.
I mentiond in an earlier post about how i priced a heat pack and cant do it if it goes through green deal .Its basically saying you are not able to do your job even tho you have all the quals other than the pas 2030 at £5000
The trump card tho is exactly as you say after install inspection where you rip it to bits and riddor it as you can guarantee their will be a high volume of shocking installs left with allsorts of issues
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Dickie
As said several times, why not do subbie work. Be selective & ensure you get paid.
Of course if you're a course cowboy & spend half your day with your nose in a book or your course notes, you'll be too slow to make any money doing subbie work.
I know plenty guys that are only on the GSR, van & tools & are making a very good living. So don't have a wishbone, get a backbone, get our there & find the work.
Of course if you're a course cowboy & spend half your day with your nose in a book or your course notes, you'll be too slow to make any money doing subbie work.
I know plenty guys that are only on the GSR, van & tools & are making a very good living. So don't have a wishbone, get a backbone, get our there & find the work.
I didn't go self employed to be busting a gut for some crappy day rate to make some big national company plenty of money! I may as well go stack shelves.
The firm I was going to subbie for has said the work may not be there now due to the crap prices, he said the funding has been capped now an the likes of bg have swallowed up a lot of the work
I emailed an energy firm last night put of interest on the Eco scheme, they said they wanted installers for boilers! They replied that they were owned by another energy firm and were selling leads to already registered Eco qualified installers!
What a joke, who wants to jump through hoops to get Eco registered, to then have to buy leads off a middle man company... Sounds like everyone is trying to get there slice, and the end installer who does all the work & takes all the responsibility gets the smallest reward at the end of it it seems!
What a joke, who wants to jump through hoops to get Eco registered, to then have to buy leads off a middle man company... Sounds like everyone is trying to get there slice, and the end installer who does all the work & takes all the responsibility gets the smallest reward at the end of it it seems!
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Dickie
I completely understand your views mate, but being self employed is no walk in the park and for most course cowboys it's the only route they can go down. I don't know your background so I'm not inferring you're a CC.
I know of guys that are getting £130 per combi swop, finished by 2.00pm & out fixing boilers or doing CP12s for the remained of the day.
Of course I don't advocate the methods some companies use on the ECO scheme, many of which are just con men. But they're no more con men then the rest of the ex-used car salesmen that are selling Green products. How many out there have sold & installed boilers & appliances on the back of the RHI & Feed in tariffs that never materialised??? So people that live in greenhouses etc!!! There's a certain irony in the word 'Greenhouse'.....LOL!!!
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Dickie
I'm sorry H4S, I don't have an issue with £130 combi swop - that can be done in 4.5-5 hours & you can do as many as you want in a week! Nor do I think it devalues the trade, six week courses devalue the trade, not the rates anyone is daft enough to do the work for. Of course the £250 combi swop would be a more favourable rate - which some companies are paying.
If you can only get £130 per swop, then there's no shortage of Labour in your area & this is due, in no small part, to the number of GSR course cowboys out there. A simple matter of supply & demand.
So if you're a course cowboy & can only get the reduced rate, well, look in the mirror to see the one to blame!
£130 and no issue with that,
then you state can only get £130 further in post???
then in earlier post
I know of guys that are getting £130 per combi swop, finished by 2.00pm & out fixing boilers or doing CP12s for the remained of the day.
recomend 4 hour flush on new boiler for starters
just because you wish to do them for devalued rate doesnt mean we all wish to rip ourselves off , cant see a vet doing half priced works during lambing season just because he can be doing something else by two !!!!
then you state can only get £130 further in post???
then in earlier post
I know of guys that are getting £130 per combi swop, finished by 2.00pm & out fixing boilers or doing CP12s for the remained of the day.
recomend 4 hour flush on new boiler for starters
just because you wish to do them for devalued rate doesnt mean we all wish to rip ourselves off , cant see a vet doing half priced works during lambing season just because he can be doing something else by two !!!!
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Dickie
I'm stating the rates that I'm aware of, £250 or £130. £130 doesn't undervalue the trade in my view, course cowboys do that. If you don't get asked or get paid for a powerflush - which we all know is generally required & can take 4 hours, then why do it??
I can understand why you wouldn't want to do it for £130 mate, but if the alternative is sitting at home & waiting for the phone to ring?? I guess each to their own??
Lambing season is once a year, the ECO scheme is only around for a very short time, so no real comparison in my view.
I'm not having a pop at anyone, you want the work or you don't.
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tamz
The £130 a swap is a very bad rate for a SE but some idiots and the desperate are doing it. There are companies paying their on the books guys more (you'll know who they are Dickie white vans green writing).
We all know we could throw a boiler on the wall and be out of there before 12 (well the guys who are into installs can) but you are cutting corners. I know guys who open the blow off for 30 seconds and that is the flush. You or they get what you pay for. Shyt money shyt guys working for them and shyt installs. Worse than warmfront imo.
At the end of the day this is a very bad run and administered scheme but there is a lot of money being made by some unfortunately not those on the front line.
Being a bit of a sceptic i'd say it was a government ploy to raise house prices through higher EPC ratings but then again why would they do that?
We all know we could throw a boiler on the wall and be out of there before 12 (well the guys who are into installs can) but you are cutting corners. I know guys who open the blow off for 30 seconds and that is the flush. You or they get what you pay for. Shyt money shyt guys working for them and shyt installs. Worse than warmfront imo.
At the end of the day this is a very bad run and administered scheme but there is a lot of money being made by some unfortunately not those on the front line.
Being a bit of a sceptic i'd say it was a government ploy to raise house prices through higher EPC ratings but then again why would they do that?
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Eco Deal
hi guys new on here so be kind , you all seem to have mixed up ideas about green deal and eco funding and most of you do not seem sure about it. we are a green deal advisor service and we have been installing eco measures since the start of the scheme and it as brought us loads of boiler installs under the scheme and yes rates are falling but they are still good. anyway I posted on here in hope to team up with a gas safe engineer in northwest who would like to get involved and install some or all of our jobs, if you want talk about it email me you can find our email on our website (would not let me post email address ) just google us eco deal based in north west. the scheme is a good scheme which gives small and big installers the same playing field. we have fitted over 300 boiler now under the scheme and we are a small family business so it can work for you too. thank you mike ECO DEAL
had an interesting phone call late last night friends girlfriend has had a 'free boiler' which now they say it is all but 'free' .
Anyway aparently the install was a joke turned up yesterday boiler didn't fit and wrecked some cupboard , gas undersized and no confidence in the install now so have been asked to give independant report on the installation on behalf of mates girlfriend.
a sign of things to come possibly
Anyway aparently the install was a joke turned up yesterday boiler didn't fit and wrecked some cupboard , gas undersized and no confidence in the install now so have been asked to give independant report on the installation on behalf of mates girlfriend.
a sign of things to come possibly
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Dickie
That's common practice amongst all contract installs and price work, the quicker you are the more you get paid, H.A is no different either. I wouldn't tarnish the whole scheme because of a load of rogue installers.
i seem to remember you saying something about doing 2 a day installs a while back, surely that doesn't include a gas re run and hot/cold flush?
If you find these installs, make sure they are reported as an official complaint. The company at the top with pas:2030 have to abide by a strict set of procedures, ultimately complaints cost time and money and if they are not dealt with accordingly, could cost them their accreditation. It's no on their interest to be getting lots of complaints.
i seem to remember you saying something about doing 2 a day installs a while back, surely that doesn't include a gas re run and hot/cold flush?
If you find these installs, make sure they are reported as an official complaint. The company at the top with pas:2030 have to abide by a strict set of procedures, ultimately complaints cost time and money and if they are not dealt with accordingly, could cost them their accreditation. It's no on their interest to be getting lots of complaints.
Yep two a day includes whatever you get hit with wether be verticle flue, new gas run and flush just worked harder faster longer . Rough with the smooth as they say and onstalls inspected. I also think this certifies me to be hard as I like when inspecting other installs as I have been there done it and own the tee shirt
Fair play if you can do it, I know many including myself couldn't/wouldn't.
be interested to see some pic's if this install you have to look at mate, see the standard of work. Any ideas which company installed it, pm if you like as we are both local.
be interested to see some pic's if this install you have to look at mate, see the standard of work. Any ideas which company installed it, pm if you like as we are both local.
No offence hammers but that seems aload of crap that
2 installs, vertical flue an gas runs ?
i worked with a lad who was rapid, an neat but I reckon he'd struggle doing that
2 installs, vertical flue an gas runs ?
i worked with a lad who was rapid, an neat but I reckon he'd struggle doing that
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Your lad must be crap ,
Their are loads of lads gangs that I know doing the smash and grab boiler/pack installs but I could lay my hands on about 5 that 2 boilers a day or ten plus packs a week . Hard work but quite easily possibilty .
How long does it take to run gas pipe up a wall ? 20 mins thats all and hour for verticle , gives few hours on boiler then onto next .
Like I said hard work long day but once you get routine its easy .
Dont think I have surveyed a boiler swap for years just turn up and plumb
Your lad must be crap ,
Their are loads of lads gangs that I know doing the smash and grab boiler/pack installs but I could lay my hands on about 5 that 2 boilers a day or ten plus packs a week . Hard work but quite easily possibilty .
How long does it take to run gas pipe up a wall ? 20 mins thats all and hour for verticle , gives few hours on boiler then onto next .
Like I said hard work long day but once you get routine its easy .
Dont think I have surveyed a boiler swap for years just turn up and plumb
Hour getting gear out of van lol you serious
Analyse, burner pressures gas rate same time and how long does it take to explain couple buttons !
Besides tennant are idiots and cant even read half the time, next job five mins away materials all rhere waiting
Up your game and its goid coin still wouldnt work fir 130 thats a joke
Analyse, burner pressures gas rate same time and how long does it take to explain couple buttons !
Besides tennant are idiots and cant even read half the time, next job five mins away materials all rhere waiting
Up your game and its goid coin still wouldnt work fir 130 thats a joke
Two reasons money is less now hence why I was saying 130 devalued your trade
Secondly I get some big installs which I prefer
Oh and third reason tennants do my head in
Secondly I get some big installs which I prefer
Oh and third reason tennants do my head in
the green deal is funded through the cust paying via energy bill so it is not funded in fact ists more costly than getting loan or putting it on your mortgage .Oh and this stays with your house so if you sell it the new owner takes up your debt ,.
also hearing that this free boiler eco is not free either !!!
also i am hearing that payments are slow
also hearing that this free boiler eco is not free either !!!
also i am hearing that payments are slow
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Dickie
Of course under the ECO scheme the boilers are not free. We all pay for it through our Gas & Leccy bills. There's no smoke & mirrors it's all on-line for you to read.
I've replaced the boilers in 15 of the my properties I Let out already & will do the remainder directly.
I've replaced the boilers in 15 of the my properties I Let out already & will do the remainder directly.
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Eco Deal
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Eco Deal
How do you get the funding off the energy companies?
From my research I've only found one or two green Deal providers who have actually got funding set aside for the ECO, but can't find exactly how to contact the energy companies direct for the money.
From my research I've only found one or two green Deal providers who have actually got funding set aside for the ECO, but can't find exactly how to contact the energy companies direct for the money.
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Dickie
It's my understanding that unfortunately there's several 'middle men' between the Power Companies & the Installers.
So my advice is to find a good middle man, that will pay you, at a fair price for the job & looks for quality work.
So my advice is to find a good middle man, that will pay you, at a fair price for the job & looks for quality work.
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tommydiehard
Guys,
I'm just finishing getting registered with my pas 2030.
i have 2 providers 1 is a 1st tier provider and the other is a 2nd -3rd tier ( whatever that's worth?)
The 1st tier is a big company payment terms are good boiler steps air pretty good money however BBU conversions not o good and the other down fall I have to get my own work and thy want me to build up to a minimum of 10 pe week. The other firm provide the leads and do the assessments before i go out and do the survey, the draw back is payment terms aren't so good 45 days from install and I'm supplying everything!! I'm liking th 1st company lot more. But need to get the leads and pay or the assessment to be done, long term I intend to do the GDA course myself but it takes a fair investment both time and money.
hows everybody else getting on with the ECO deal ?
I'm just finishing getting registered with my pas 2030.
i have 2 providers 1 is a 1st tier provider and the other is a 2nd -3rd tier ( whatever that's worth?)
The 1st tier is a big company payment terms are good boiler steps air pretty good money however BBU conversions not o good and the other down fall I have to get my own work and thy want me to build up to a minimum of 10 pe week. The other firm provide the leads and do the assessments before i go out and do the survey, the draw back is payment terms aren't so good 45 days from install and I'm supplying everything!! I'm liking th 1st company lot more. But need to get the leads and pay or the assessment to be done, long term I intend to do the GDA course myself but it takes a fair investment both time and money.
hows everybody else getting on with the ECO deal ?
Who did you do your certification with? What was the assessment like?
The provider with the 10 leads at a time sounds familiar.
Would it be possible for you to email or pm the details on these providers and the rates?
I'm hopefully going to get my QMS finished next week and then up for assessment, but I won't pay for the assessment until I'm sure that there is money from a provider available for the jobs.
The provider with the 10 leads at a time sounds familiar.
Would it be possible for you to email or pm the details on these providers and the rates?
I'm hopefully going to get my QMS finished next week and then up for assessment, but I won't pay for the assessment until I'm sure that there is money from a provider available for the jobs.
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julesverne
Just got an email through glow worm club energy . Paying 1500 quid to install flexicoms .i do believe thats minus parts and boiler. Dont have to be pas 2030 either i believe.
They pay within within 30 days. hope this helps gotta be better than subbying
They pay within within 30 days. hope this helps gotta be better than subbying
I had this aswell
If you go to the link for the website, it says:
[h=3]How do I become an accredited installer?[/h]Glow-worm are using the Green Deal Consortia to co-ordinate installations by Club Energy Installers. Green Deal Consortia will undertake the free survey and ensure your customers eligibility so there is no risk to yourself - you simply have to turn up and install the new Flexicom boiler once the work has been approved.
All ECO work is part of the Green Deal and therefore requires the PAS 2030 qualification. As a member of Club ECO you will be able to install ECO jobs whilst working towards your PAS 2030 qualification. To make getting PAS 2030 as easy as possible we have teamed up with Easy Green Deal. When you have signed up to Club ECO you will be sent details on how to book for Easy Green Deal PAS 2030 support.
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julesverne
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julesverne
i went through the sign up process and gave up what a pain in the aristotle they want this and they want that.
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Ray Stafford
I'm talking to Glowworm about this at the moment - if anyone has any questions they want asking, or feedback that they want to get directly to the management at Glowworm, just let me know.
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julesverne
yeah the sign up process just isn't geared upto one man bands and anybody who isn't registered. it's also asking for asking for health and safety policies and other documents.
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julesverne
also asking for vat reg no's as a must fill entry when not everyone is vat registered and bank account details and no info of the cost to get pas 2030 certified just we can work towards.
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julesverne
That said fitted 6 boilers in last 3 weeks so poss picking maybe we dont need eco or the green deal
I work for a company at the moment, i get work all week and I'm paid weekly. The company still haven't recieved payment yet from the funders, when they say 40 days they mean 40 business days, so don't count saturday and sunday. The company must be out an absolute fortune at the moment, luckily this isnt there only source of income and the boss is prepared to take the risk, but we have loads of people working in a call centre who get the leads and about 10 install teams and expanding.
We survey the jobs along with energy assessors, we've had a few donkeys doing the surveys so trying to talk the company into having dedicated surveyors who want off the tools to stick to surveys, £30 a survey! We drop money by doing surveys 1 day a week instead of an install.
we also have tons of paperwork and have to take about 5 different pictures lol
I'm happy as it's all combi swaps most are easy and good money better than I've had from other contracts, still tryin to get funding for system conversions and BBU conversions
We survey the jobs along with energy assessors, we've had a few donkeys doing the surveys so trying to talk the company into having dedicated surveyors who want off the tools to stick to surveys, £30 a survey! We drop money by doing surveys 1 day a week instead of an install.
we also have tons of paperwork and have to take about 5 different pictures lol
I'm happy as it's all combi swaps most are easy and good money better than I've had from other contracts, still tryin to get funding for system conversions and BBU conversions
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Dickie
£65 is the standard survey fee mate. I hope your not being short changed on the installs. Are you working for Solar King Q67?
i think the energy assessors get roughly about that but for us that only survey the boiler its £30, and £250 a boiler, if you know anyone who is paying better than that point me in their direction lol
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Ray Stafford
To be honest, looking at the sum total of all government schemes over the last 10 years, I think that industry would have been better off without most of them. The only honourable exception was the boiler scrappage scheme, because the admin was minimal and every installer had a fair crack at the whip.
You've got to agree though that this ECO scheme is better than the previous Warmfront scheme, where only one company got the money.
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Ray Stafford
Fair point. My concern is that they hedge it round with so much admin that many of the smaller installers will be scared off. I believe that this is a deliberate tactic. It appeals to both the mandarins in Whitehall, and the "industry figures" that they consult with - which are almost exclusively the big players who have whole departments capable of dealing with it.
Its just a form of rent-seeking - it doesn't add anything for either the industry or the public - it just skews business in favour of those who have the ear of policymakers.
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Dickie
Sorry Q67 I can't reply with your thread mate, on the whole this forum is dead slow, but adding a quote would take ages to load. However, if your getting £250 per swop then your doing OK. Though the money for the boiler survey is a bit light!!
This ECO scheme is funded by the gas & Leccy bill payer, with Ofgen & the big six energy companies involved. In Scotland anyway the boiler scrapage scheme was Scottish Government funded.
This ECO scheme is funded by the gas & Leccy bill payer, with Ofgen & the big six energy companies involved. In Scotland anyway the boiler scrapage scheme was Scottish Government funded.
lets see september/ocotber time who is funding this , if our energy bills take a hike then it us who is funding the scheme
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tamz
Maybe us Scots are seeing a bit sense over funding instead of the green deal
Scots offered interest-free loans for energy efficiency improvements - 02 Aug 2013 - News from BusinessGreen
I'm not sure if it will apply to boilers tho.
Scots offered interest-free loans for energy efficiency improvements - 02 Aug 2013 - News from BusinessGreen
I'm not sure if it will apply to boilers tho.
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Dickie
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Dickie
Oh there's no doubt we(gas & leccy bill payers) are funding the ECO scheme mate.
I'm far from a noble person & a condensing boiler will not save you a fortune in gas, but if it helps OAPs in any small way to stay warm over the winter, well I think it's a good thing.
There's an amazing number of OAPs don't have TRVs or a Room Thermostat. Which in 2013 is a complete disgrace!!
I'm far from a noble person & a condensing boiler will not save you a fortune in gas, but if it helps OAPs in any small way to stay warm over the winter, well I think it's a good thing.
There's an amazing number of OAPs don't have TRVs or a Room Thermostat. Which in 2013 is a complete disgrace!!
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LPC
I looked very much into the Green Deal when I first heard about it probably a year ago now. Decided it would be too money/hassle to get into being a one man band and the PAS2030 stuff (although I know it's a fair bit easier now than it was when I first looked at it).
But £130 a swap? Paid 40 days later? 2 combi swaps a day? Honestly, these things are totally alien to me.
I would rather give up the trade and go to work in a fast-food outlet than do a boiler change for £130. And I honestly cannot fathom how anyone can do a combi swap in under a day.
Maybe i'm at the other end of the market? I do work for a number of agents and lots, lots of landlords but always installed WB or Vaillants, w Magnacleans and every system powerflushed.
Never had to throw cheap crap at the wall for hardly a living wage.
But £130 a swap? Paid 40 days later? 2 combi swaps a day? Honestly, these things are totally alien to me.
I would rather give up the trade and go to work in a fast-food outlet than do a boiler change for £130. And I honestly cannot fathom how anyone can do a combi swap in under a day.
Maybe i'm at the other end of the market? I do work for a number of agents and lots, lots of landlords but always installed WB or Vaillants, w Magnacleans and every system powerflushed.
Never had to throw cheap crap at the wall for hardly a living wage.
I agree up to now I have always fitted vaillant with power flush and Magna clean but all this get a free boiler **** seems to have taken all the boilers as even if people are not able to get the free boiler they get the free boiler company out to see if they can get it and once they are in they quote and get the job as they are cheap because they mostly have cheap subbies access to heavily discounted boilers and are not power flushing as much as I hate doing this kind of work I don't see how we can't survive without doing it
Id focus on a different clientele.
stay clear over landords, estate agents if you do work for them.
concentate on people who value a good job being done properly an aren't constantly trying to knock you down
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Ermintrude
Our business model for greensteal meant we were more expensive on greensteal and Eco jobs. If custard couldn't get funding we would be 10 to 15 cheaper as no paperwork. Well other than the usual and you were getting psi same decade.
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