Things i need for a Plumbing tool kit

[pana37]

hi all after posting on this great forum i have decided to go for Copper pipes to fit a totally new central heating. before anyone says i wont be touching any gas!
already have 22mm and 15mm pipe slice.
Question i wanted to ask is.
i need to buy Lead free solder and Flux with a built in brush, are there any particular brands i should go for? or are they all the same?

looking to buy map gas from toolstation linky
what other things i need besides normal diy tools

thanks in advance..

 

[Keefy]

what other things i need besides normal diy tools

Lots of practice soldering.

 

[pana37]

Lots of practice soldering.

yes going to start this v soon thanks Keefy

 

[happyflyer]

It's like riding an old bike,whatever would we do without capillary attraction, three wheeled bike!!!😱mg_smile: it's when you get in those awkward
spaces where the experience will count, don't burn everything around you

 

[Keefy]

yes going to start this v soon thanks Keefy

Cut a length of pipe up into small sections, say an inch or two per piece and join then together with couplings. Practice soldering from below too. Remember to remove the flame before applying the solder.

There's so much to learn if this is your first time doing such a job but if you're willing to listen and take the advice offered by the members here you should be okay. You could probably do with getting your camera out to keep us updated.

 

[stoker122]

If your doing heating pipe work you don't need lead free.

 

[happyflyer]

Cut a length of pipe up into small sections, say an inch or two per piece and join then together with couplings. Practice soldering from below too. Remember to remove the flame before applying the solder.

There's so much to learn if this is your first time doing such a job but if you're willing to listen and take the advice offered by the members here you should be okay. You could probably do with getting your camera out to keep us updated.

Good advice Keefy, but please not on film I don't like seeing grown men cry..:19: Push fit rules OK, did I just say that :bigcry: copper not plastic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qbq2Z5_LUY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JufNYNnxLrw

 

[Killy Bing]

An sds drill.

clip your pipes !!!
thats my biggest pet hate with diy, when there is a 4 metre run with 6 couplings and a single clip!

 

[TBServices]

If you're doing just heating pipes you can use lead solder.

 

[happyflyer]

REMS Curvo - Demonstração Comercial - YouTube


Every plumber should have one look at the kind of work you could turn out

 

[pana37]

Cut a length of pipe up into small sections, say an inch or two per piece and join then together with couplings. Practice soldering from below too. Remember to remove the flame before applying the solder.

There's so much to learn if this is your first time doing such a job but if you're willing to listen and take the advice offered by the members here you should be okay. You could probably do with getting your camera out to keep us updated.

Top Advice Keefy, will take pics
was thinking how does end feed and solder ring differ besides 1 doesnt have solder and other has. is one better than the other?

 

[Keefy]

Top Advice Keefy, will take pics
was thinking how does end feed and solder ring differ besides 1 doesnt have solder and other has. is one better than the other?

With solder ring fittings you just apply heat until you see a nice ring of solder appear but they're more expensive than endfeed.

 

[R1CKY]

Everyone has their preference with flux. I use La-co flux, but beware it seems to run more than other fluxes and it will turn your clothes purple and your hands green! Make sure you wipe your joints after as it is will eat through them eventually.

Don't buy Mapp gas, its too hot for small pipes, normal blue bottled propane is more than adequate for upto 28mm pipe.

'Fings what I have in my tool bag:
Pipeslices
Adjustable pipe slice
Adjustable spanners (Daddy, Mummy and Baby size)
Water pump pliers, aka grips (as above)
Junior Hacksaw
Various size and length screwdrivers (flat and pozi)
Torpedo Level
Stanley Knife (other brands are available)
Hammer
Floorboard lifter
Half round file
Wood Chisel
Multimeter
Wire cutters
Plus a few gas related items

 

[pana37]

Good advice Keefy, but please not on film I don't like seeing grown men cry..:19: Push fit rules OK, did I just say that :bigcry: copper not plastic

copper pushfit fittings - YouTube


Plumbing fittings pushfit - YouTube

they look quite good, cheers do they suffer from the same weakness from plastic push fits if the joint bends slightly?

 

[pana37]

REMS Curvo - Demonstração Comercial - YouTube


Every plumber should have one look at the kind of work you could turn out

wow wee thats a piece of art!! looks expensive for a diy 1 off job though, for plumbers yes looks the business...

 

[Killy Bing]

Everyone has their preference with flux. I use La-co flux, but beware it seems to run more than other fluxes and it will turn your clothes purple and your hands green! Make sure you wipe your joints after as it is will eat through them eventually.

It also reduces your lung function by 2% everytime you use it XD

i used it once, great flux but man all i tasted for hours after was laco from the smell !!

Get a pair of benders ifyou don't mind losing a few quid in the learning process.

 

[pana37]

Get a pair of benders ifyou don't mind losing a few quid in the learning process.

[video=youtube;cMAgArlo_1g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMAgArlo_1g[/video] i see what you mean could save a few quid in the long run and less joints less chance of leaks also, i guess will need practice of getting it right not sure if this will work on tight corners

 

[plumber0808]

A fire extinguisher 🙂

 

[Keefy]

A fire extinguisher 🙂

That reminds me, mine is about 2 years out of date.

 

[glenno1]

You will never have enough tools from my experience theres allways a new toy to buy

 

[pana37]

These lookalike a good idea linky

 

[Keefy]

These lookalike a good idea linky

Don't know about anyone else but that's not really a deburring tool, it might be okay on a cut done by a hacksaw but for a pipeslice cut I'd use one of these.

 

[pana37]

Don't know about anyone else but that's not really a deburring tool, it might be okay on a cut done by a hacksaw but for a pipeslice cut I'd use one of these.

I didn't say it was deburring I saw this being used to clean inside the fittings prior to fluxing to provide a key? However I will need a deburring tool so will look at the product on that link, hasn't had good reviews though

 

[supper plumb]

Heat mat
footprints
small damp rag for cleaning up joints
spray bottle of water just incase
deburrer 15mm 22mm 28mm
GOOD blow tourch and mapp gas heats quicker
jimmy bar
cheap saw
flux brushes more then one
benders
spade drill bits
sds drill sds bits raw plug size and 16mm and 24mm long sds bits
core drills
tape measure
pencils
sharpie marker pen to mark pipes
hammer
cordless
open tote tool bag to carry it all in 😛unk:
hire or borrow a pipe tester wet or dry
radio
pipe clips fittings
PIPE LOL
lagging
level
angle drill attachment if your posh
camera for our pleasure
pain killer kneeling pad or knee pad or even propper work bottoms with knee pads
id use lead free solder
ptfe
paste
grips

 

[woodytheplumber]

a couple of burn mats wont go amiss i dont often use them as you can usually angle the flame away but knowing where the flame will bounce takes experiance

 

[Keefy]

Spray bottle of water?

 

[pana37]

Spray bottle of water?

cool the pipe after soldering?

 

[Keefy]

cool the pipe after soldering?

You should really let the pipe cool down naturally, spraying cold water onto it while hot could ultimately give you a bad joint.

 

[pana37]

Heat mat = will buy
footprints = whats this?
small damp rag for cleaning up joints = yep have already
spray bottle of water just incase = yep have already
deburrer 15mm 22mm 28mm = will buy
GOOD blow tourch and mapp gas heats quicker = yes looking into map gas the piezo torch is the expensive bit
jimmy bar = yep have already
cheap saw = yep have already
flux brushes more then one = will buy, was wondering if i can get brush built in the flux?
benders = will buy
spade drill bits = i dont have a drill stop sds drill mines rotary drill 🙁
sds drill sds bits raw plug size and 16mm and 24mm long sds bits = have some will buy others
core drills = do you mean for boiler flue? if so will leave this for gas safe eng.
tape measure = yep have already
pencils = yep have carpenter ones 🙂
sharpie marker pen to mark pipes = good idea
hammer = yep have already
cordless = yep have already
open tote tool bag to carry it all in 😛unk: = have something similar
hire or borrow a pipe tester wet or dry = how do you mean? pressure testing?
radio = for music? then yes lol
pipe clips fittings = which are better the ones like a C shape with screw in middle or cable style with nail in it?
PIPE LOL= almost forgot that, lol are copper pips thinner than say 10 years ago (read somewhere they may be)
lagging = for loft? if so no pipes will be in the loft
level = yep have already
angle drill attachment if your posh = i guess i wont need this as i will be using copper? will have to notch the joist out, although may use (see how it goes) in 15mm in small area
camera for our pleasure = i will try my best yes
pain killer kneeling pad or knee pad or even propper work bottoms with knee pads = yep have already
id use lead free solder = ok are all lead free solders the same?
ptfe = yep have already was also going to get Fernox LFX stuff to doubly make sure for compression near rads.
paste = flux?
grips = pipe wrench?

thanks for list

 

[SimonG]

Learners don't want to be using MAPP for soldering stick to propane.

 

[pana37]

Learners don't want to be using MAPP for soldering stick to propane.

ok propane it is :smilewinkgrin:

 

[supper plumb]

MAPP low heat take your time dont rush chill out dont panic

 

[SimonG]

MAPP low heat take your time dont rush chill out dont panic

Mapp won't give you the time, unless you know what you are doing.

 

[supper plumb]

(footprints) old school grips with lots of uses
Buy a rothenburger supper fire 2 blow torch
use powerflow flux best flux out there even helps clean the joints when heated
flux brushes are pennys each think about 20p each
SDS drill propper drill with grunt you will need this
pressure testing pipe work at the end of first fix (will need pust fit stop ends)
clips c shape with screw in the middle i use the ones that slot together
angle drill is a maybe when i didnt have one i needed one
leaded solder is leaded solder and lead free is lead free id use lead free as you cant use leaded solder on drinking water
rather then buying two lots???
flux is for soldering paste if for threaded joint olives
benders are a must or if your up for it use bending springs

basin wrench
pack of different washers
small led work light you WILL need and USE this more then you think
good screw head for cordless
solvent weld cement for waste pipes
hose pipe
jublee clip for hose pipe
are you power flushing it all at the end (power flusher) ((HIRE)) ask your plumber
rad alen key/bleed key or use footprints:smilewinkgrin:
dust sheets if needed

brain has gone to mush need food BRB

 

[supper plumb]

Mapp won't give you the time, unless you know what you are doing.

LOW HEAT TAKE YOUR TIME !!!!! not need for big bad flame