Train 4 Trade Skills

[heinz57]

Hey Heinz, is 57 your IQ?

Our training includes a comprehensive section of business training so we dont have to look for a job, or rely on others. The purpose is to get us starting our own business by being self employed. You obviously know nothing about the course or what it involves. Sorry, but your downer attitude is typical, maybe your life is negative but keep it to yourself eh?

To some the pint pot is half full, to some its half empty but negative people like you seem to just want to take away the pot from others.

"Our training" Are you an employee of train4trade skills? Sure sounds like it! Im laughing for so many reasons and you'll find out why when you get out there into customers homes. Your ignorance is staggering, they have reeled you right in and you have fallen for their BS hook line and sinker. I think its bad how you've been conned and when you go out there self employed you'll know it too. The amount of fast trackers that get kicked off jobs is staggering and no i don't think its funny but all i see is people like you making a balls up. Have you got £10000 ready for your self employed adventure? I spoke to a guy who did his fast track course, he was taken aside with the other boys and was told to do a CV, this five minute conversation was the "business advice" so good luck with that. As for my iq, it was 147 in college, thats doctor standard baby so maybe i'll go and do a fast track brain surgery course and you can be my first patient!😛

 

[fuzzy]

People want to believe that fast track courses are great and lucrative at the end. Employees or owners of private companies will have you believe its a positive attitude that wins the day.

The reality is somewhat different, but if you point this out your likely to be called 'negative'. Well if all these people belive the positive frame of mind wins the day pay out your money and good luck to you. I hope for yourselves it works out, the stats suggest otherwise.

dont believe something to be true just because someone said it was

 

[truemanufan]

Don't get me wrong I am not so naive onto thinking that once I have finished my course I am going to be fine working all in my own self employed! I am going to try and get a job with a company or plumber for some years to come because I know you can't learn everything from practical and written exams!!!!

 

[plumbobjohnson]

So sorry to hear your dreams of being in the medical proffession were dashed but so glad you didnt choose to be a doctor heinz, championing a training style that favours learning from your mistakes in the field. I can just see you in surgery going oops. Dont believe your generalisations let alone your IQ. Just sticking up for the guys like me who do the course at southampton. Fuzzy has a good point for both sides of the debate;

"dont believe something to be true just because someone said it was"

Likewise dont believe people like you who knock training courses just because they dont like them themselves, its each to their own and i needed to keep working as well as training so the style was ideal for me. You dont know the content or the methods of training so your opinion is baseless. If you had done the same course I am going through and your opinion was based on personal experience then I would value your opinion. You havent so I dont. So it doesnt take a brain surgeon to recognise you are just someone with an inflated sense of your own importance, like people should listen only to you. I am already getting work coming in self employed, only stuff like radiators and bathroom fits, but i am on a secondary income of about £220 working my weekends. Might be best in your life to stick to what you know yourself not pass opinion on something you know nothing about. Your life must be very sad. Spare us the benefit of your less than valuable opinion and stick to what you know not what you want others to THINK you know. "Doctor standard baby" my ar*e, more like the janitor.

 

[fuzzy]

Good luck trying to find a job in this climate once you all finish ya 20 day training courses, try explaining to an employer while your better than a bloke who's done a 3 year hands on apprenticeship.

3 year? mine was 4 also all the ones ive ever been invloved with have been 4.

others, make your own mind up, which route is right for you, just dont believe that there is a good living out there just waiting for you, not that you cannot achieve it, just that it isnt likely, some will make it and some wont, do it for the right rreasons and it was the right choice regardless

fuzz

 

[plumber2b]

Hi everyone! Let me introduce myself, I'm on the T4TS course, C&G 6129 Level 2 & 3. Started in April this year & I've just completed
mod24. I haven't been on any practicals yet, because just before I passed mod12 I got a letter telling me only after I reached the minimum payment of 1300. Now I've completed mod24 and a couple of days ago I got another letter letting me know to go to 3rd & 4th practical week I have to reach 1600 at least. Called them up and found can only finish the course after the full payment is made.
To be honest I'm not going to moan too much, they gave me the chance to go on this course where others refused due to my bad credit. The course is what it says on the tin. The study material is quite good and with my input and positivity I can't see how I can fail to better my life and family.
Call me sad, but I've read all posted messages in here since 2008, a lot of negative feedback but there is a lot of positive ones as well. I chose to get on with it and be positive. In my opinion T4TS are like other course providers but at least they gave me this oppurtunity and I'm going to make the most of it. GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL !!
Sorry this was so long I want do it again. Angelo

 

[fuzzy]

there is no C&G 6129 level 1? Have they even told you what your doing for your money?

 

[TC.]

its worrying how many of these fast trackers post on here thinking they can solve the biggest problem with just 8 weeks of training or ten weeks or however long these various courses tend to last.

and i know they are learning the same curriculum as we all have that did the 6129 but they are not getting it to the same standard. it is rushed!

i will never employ a fast tracker, one cos i dont kno his skills and two my apprentice is more handy to have as he is bright he knows his trade and before any of you naysayers tell me im not paying him enough i pay him a weekly wage of £400. i trust him to do the job without any mistakes, if he does he sorts them, not only that the boy learns real quick, he is an asset to my company, and im already taking applications for my next one, to replace my current one when he wants to go solo next year.

i know he is time served and trained properly to deal with the nightmare jobs and to not screw a job up cos he has that valuable expereience and learnt his trade over 4 years. in that time he has learnt from difficult jobs we have had to deal with, seen me struggle to keep the money coming in during the tight times.

i just dont think you get that with this type of course that is often bandied about the place. Good luck to all of you, but you are taking a big big risk. i for one wouldnt be wanting to pay thousands. i remember my apprenticship, i paid for it at the time, £500 per year, that is the true cost of a course, not these over inflated prices.

Im so glad that C&G are bringing in thi diploma as it might just might put a stop to these private centres misleading people over what they can actually do.

The new diploma will require you to be in employment before you can start it with someone who is already qualified i have been told (so i stand to be corrected)

 

[plumber2b]

ff

there is no C&G 6129 level 1? Have they even told you what your doing for your money?

Well spoted, it is true then, you do have a big IQ. Obviously there is no C&G 6129 NVQ L1. I'm actually doing C&G 6129 NVQ L2 & 3.
Yes they have told me exactly what I am doing for my money and yes it is my money, get it?

When I finish, I am not looking to be a employee again, probably a sole trader to begin with. Don't get me wrong I know it's not going to be a walk in the park, but with the right attitude a lot of effort, good advise and support I believe I will be able to make a living.

 

[TC.]

ff

Well spoted, it is true then, you do have a big IQ. Obviously there is no C&G 6129 L1. I'm actually doing C&G 6129 L2 & 3.
Yes they have told me exactly what I am doing for my money and yes it is my money, get it?

When I finish, I am not looking to be a employee again, probably a sole trader to begin with. Don't get me wrong I know it's not going to be a walk in the park, but with the right attitude a lot of effort, good advise and support I believe I will be able to make a living.

good at least you know where you are going and whre you have been, lots of posters on here (rad the threads) come on with the attitude that they will be fully qual'ed inc experience and be able to take on the world, sadly thats not the case and many of them go back to their other job full time. the stats show it all!!

i wish you the best of luck as its a dog eat dog world out their.

 

[fuzzy]

ff

Well spoted, it is true then, you do have a big IQ. Obviously there is no C&G 6129 L1. I'm actually doing C&G 6129 L2 & 3.
Yes they have told me exactly what I am doing for my money and yes it is my money, get it?

When I finish, I am not looking to be a employee again, probably a sole trader to begin with. Don't get me wrong I know it's not going to be a walk in the park, but with the right attitude a lot of effort, good advise and support I believe I will be able to make a living.

So no NVQ then?

 

[Apache]

Re: train 4 trade skills scenario 4

hi

i see you are on senario 4, any tips on how to complte senario 1? thanks, apache

 

[fuzzy]

People say they have researched this in detail then get confused over the levels and types of qualification on offer. I think 'research' is more than often a case of talking to salespeople err i mean advisor's.
Both quals are 2 years out of date anyway, very old hat and a large cost, government are putting all money into apprentices at all ages so why would people pay all this money on an outgoing qual? Didn't the research pick that up?

 

[csbrown]

We are struggling to get hold of T4TS. They came round to speak to my husband about the course. Rang to follow up but he hadnt made a decision so he said he would call back. He hasnt and now we cant get hold of them. Rang the call centre and they couldnt help. All we can do is go on a database for info to be sent. Has anyone got a phone number to enrol?

Thanks

 

[fuzzy]

how would it feel if you had joined them and paid?

 

[macdave1]

Stay away from them,its all bull***t.

 

[PEMBO]

I had someone who came to visit me yesterday, I was all up for it,sold it to me very well and sounded to good to be true.

I was due a second visit this evening, but after reading all this I canx straight away, so looks like ive saved some money.

Thanks

 

[truemanufan]

I had someone who came to visit me yesterday, I was all up for it,sold it to me very well and sounded to good to be true.

I was due a second visit this evening, but after reading all this I canx straight away, so looks like ive saved some money.

Thanks

Not always as bad as everyone makes out mate! I doin t4ts course and I think it's fine! Not been mis sold one thing and I getin level 2+3 tech cert and this leads on to nvq 2+3 best thing I have done!

 

[fuzzy]

Not always as bad as everyone makes out mate! I doin t4ts course and I think it's fine! Not been mis sold one thing and I getin level 2+3 tech cert and this leads on to nvq 2+3 best thing I have done!

did they tell you the quals you are on are out of date?

 

[truemanufan]

To be honest fuzzy I started b4 they went out of date and whilst at jtl which is the main training provider they said the quals just bein super seeded? Basically they still recognised but u can't enrol as new from this september

 

[mduell12]

Re: t4t skills

i tryrd 2 do the cold water system check clicked on every thing under the sink but not leting me do it done every thing els just the system check doing me head in know lyk can u help out

 

[fuzzy]

To be honest fuzzy I started b4 they went out of date and whilst at jtl which is the main training provider they said the quals just bein super seeded? Basically they still recognised but u can't enrol as new from this september

so u doing this with jtl or t4ts?

 

[truemanufan]

so u doing this with jtl or t4ts?

All assesments are by jtl course material from t4ts

 

[fuzzy]

who do you pay and enrol with?

 

[truemanufan]

who do you pay and enrol with?

T4ts! Why?

 

[fuzzy]

coz its an odd set up, you enrol and pay t4ts and they pay jtl to do the on site assessments.

 

[truemanufan]

coz its an odd set up, you enrol and pay t4ts and they pay jtl to do the on site assessments.

Yeah a bit strange considering all the paperwork and workbooks are supplied by jtl! Sorry when I said practical work I meant atl! Typo! Very good training though

 

[Bill]

I've nearly finished a T4TS plumbing course. My advice to anyone taking this up is to take your time with learning and also always ask others for advice on things that don't sink in. I have a friend who started the course the same time as me and finished it in about 8months, problem being is that he doesn't actually know anything and frequently rings me for advice, and I'm not even qualified yet🙂.
If you do decide you want to be a plumber and you have a mortgage and all that bollox this is a good way of getting into it. But it ain't cheap and you reallly need to be willing to start up on your own once you have finished. I'd even go on to say make sure you check all the options available too you before making the decision to go with these guys, you may find there's other options which would suit you better. I did T4TS because my local college doesn't do a plumbing course.
One last thing if you do it this way be prepared to learn a lot of lessons after you have finished, see it as like when you passed your driving test, you may be able to drive but you've got a lot of driving to do before you become good at it.

 

[Backboiler]

Re: t4t skills

i tryrd 2 do the cold water system check clicked on every thing under the sink but not leting me do it done every thing els just the system check doing me head in know lyk can u help out

Explore further under the sink to the extreme left where you will find two washing machine connection taps

 

[gillf]

Hi Guys.

Is it worth doing the train 4 trade course? I'm really interested in becoming a plumber but have read mixed reviews? Any plumbers out there that would take someone on who'd done the course.
Also do you get all the qualifications you need?

 

[gillf]

Cheers. So what exactly do I need? Can you reccomend anywhere to train. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[fuzzy]

how can a centre only be registered for the 6129 and not the nvq 6089!!! 6129 is only half the qual!

 

[quality]

6127 9836 7428 what ever

any ? be it this or any other - if you follow the road for long enough as an apprentice or not it becomes your road, like it or not its your road , its what you do. either way to be any good you have to know when you can and know when you can not.

If you know all the answers.

You don't know all the questions

rant over

 

[fuzzy]

they shouldnt be allowed to only offer the 6129 because it isnt a full qual, it misleads people into think they are qualified, how often do you hear people say they have their city and guilds, it could be anything! doesnt mean its a worthwhile qual.

roads??? we are on about quals, someone who does it without the quals is a plummbers mate, like it or o your a plumbers mate ie. unqualified

 

[STEFANOS4784]

I am glad I found this thread particularly because I first registered to reply to another thread on the forum from someone who says their name is joanna calling t4ts a scam. I have seen lots of similar postings on various boards and forums as the starter to new threads all using similar phrases. Most, I reckon are nothing more than spoof postings from people with an agenda, maybe even a bit of stirring from rival companies. My experiences with this company (got nvq2, into gas on nvq3) have been totally different from the impressions given by these posters. The stuff I read and the claims made are just idiotic. Take a look at some of them and ask yourselves "is that right or might they just be less bright than they thought they were or just looking for an excuse to back out because money got tighter?"
Check them out and make your own mind up on the validity but base it on the facts. The company responds to enquiries so someone must have requested details either from a flyer, tv advert, jobsearch site or jobcentre. I found them on totaljobs. Then they will have had a phone call to check if enquiry genuine and a few questions are asked before deciding if an appointment is needed to give details of course and to check if the person is suitable. At the interview stage I was asked all sorts of questions about my motivations and reasons to want to be a plumber, what i was doing, looking for workwise, what my plans were if i got the course and a good amount of detail to make sure i really wanted to change my direction in life by retraining. Then the guy explained how the studies were done so i could decide if the training methods suited me. I saw a dvd showing me the facilities and the 3d software. Then, when I said it looked right for me he explained prices and explained how the funding worked. I knew how much in total, at zero percent, how much a month and over how long. NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. When i agreed to go ahead (two days later after researching) I gave details for a credit search but since i was unemployed i couldnt expect a main bank to help so i was accepted by another provider who still took me on to help me even though my rating was fairly poor. Couldnt have done it otherwise and certainly not in one go. Paid my registration fee of £100 and got my course starter. Havent looked back, good support, easy way to get the same qualifications as college but to nvq3 which they dont do at a normal college. NO CON NO SCAM

As a 26 yr old man i was looking into this. I must say, however, that you are the most blatent jobsworth employee or maybe higher up? Anyway i will read on tomorrow but just read that and thought what a D£$% so thought i'd register lol.

 

[fuzzy]

dont do nvq3 at a college? are you mad? of course they do, i have several colleges within a 30minles radius all of which do l3, gas, water regs etc etc

 

[lee212]

hi,i believe i have been mis sold a plumbing course with t4ts,i wrote them a letter bout this n that they've replied with there own letter and a copy of the credit agreement and after looking at the one i have to the the one they sent i can see they have forged a signature onto there's thats not on my original copy,could some1 please tell me what rights i have about this,if i have any?

 

[mrsPlumb]

I've nearly finished a T4TS plumbing course. My advice to anyone taking this up is to take your time with learning and also always ask others for advice on things that don't sink in. I have a friend who started the course the same time as me and finished it in about 8months, problem being is that he doesn't actually know anything and frequently rings me for advice, and I'm not even qualified yet🙂.
If you do decide you want to be a plumber and you have a mortgage and all that bollox this is a good way of getting into it. But it ain't cheap and you reallly need to be willing to start up on your own once you have finished. I'd even go on to say make sure you check all the options available too you before making the decision to go with these guys, you may find there's other options which would suit you better. I did T4TS because my local college doesn't do a plumbing course.
One last thing if you do it this way be prepared to learn a lot of lessons after you have finished, see it as like when you passed your driving test, you may be able to drive but you've got a lot of driving to do before you become good at it.

Totally agree!

I started this course in April 2009, and like anyone, had some reservations regarding t4ts as a company and whether I had done the right thing. One thing however is, I never entered in to it under any illusion it was a fast track or quick fix to my Plumbing career. There is no doubt that hard work and discipline is required to get through the material. Especially when I am trying to do this around a 1yr old and a 4yr old! It takes organisation and determination. Particuarly as there is quite a lot of theory to get through before you even put your hands on any tools.
The course, in my opinion gives you the foundations and rightly said that you will only start to learn once you get out there.
Admittedly I am only a 3rd of the way through due to my family committments (would have liked to have been two 3rd's through by now) and am due to attend my first 2 weeks practical next week. I guess that will be where I make my final judgements on t4ts as a company. Its one thing talking on the phone and another seeing for myself!
Some of the diagrams in the books are a bit naf, and plenty of typing errors but the message is till getting through!
I also looked at college but it was restrictive and split up in too many sections.
I am luckier than most in that I have the support of a husband working full time an earning well, so my income wil be a bonus, allowing me the freedom to establish myself slowly and correctly.
I have spoken to local plumbers who are very supportive, and positive there is plenty of work out there 'if you want it'. I have also offered as a kind of labourer/junior with no pay initially just to help me get a bit of hands on and this has also been welcomed.
As far as t4ts as a company so far (and I can be a harsh critic) they seem good. Although I would like maybe a quartly or half yearly call from someone just to show a bit of support and interest in me as an individual. And someone does need to address the typing and quality of the diagram in the books! And for the 3d scenarios, they are a little tedious to say the least. Nothing like the real thing really.
Despite this, I am still very positive and looking to the future. I am hoping to complete my assessments etc by this time next year, but thats the good thing about it being at your own pace....
mrsPlumb

 

[fuzzy]

what was mis sold?

 

[lee212]

everything,the whole course just seems like a scam!.the bloke who comes round is just a hard seller and makes out the course is gonna be the best thing i can do,when infact its just a pile of crap,plus they neva sent a 2nd copy of the cancelation rights like they say and i've asked for some proof of posting but not heard anything yet.

 

[simondjuk]

Has anyone else received a letter asking them to pay an additional £1000 to complete the first part of the course?

Apparently this is to cover new regulations introduced in August 2009. And considering its now April 2011, why has it taken around 18 months to bother to tell me?

Needless to say, they have a letter of complaint on the way asking for a full refund

Not holding much hope for my money back but im going to give it a damn good try

 

[mrsPlumb]

Definitely not had a letter and if they did get one there is not much hope of them getting it!

 

[Padam442]

Hi Bill, hope by now you have you finished your T4TS plumbing course. Could you please give some advice on this as I am about to go for my first 2 weeks practical training at Southhampton.

 

[Jon03]

I signed up with T4TS last year and was missold the course, the course i thought i was signing up for does not exist and T4TS have basically said tough luck!!!! I can not cancel the course and now have been passed to a debt company by Barclays as am not paying the £135 a month.
Anyone in the same boat or have any advice.

 

[TC.]

if you feel you have been mis sold the course then this may be false representation as set out under the Misrepresentation Act 1967 s2 (1) innocent misrep, or it may have been made fraudulently - s2 (2) if fraudulent then the Fraud Act 2006 will also apply!

 

[Gray0689]

Agree with TC
time you got legal advice mate

 

[tiling spread]

Well the job i do at the moment i have done for 8 years and this year i have had very little work coming in and i have went from around £20,000 per year to around £12,000. Plumbing has always been something i have wanted to do but think now with my work the way it is would be a great time to do it.

The guy who gave me the interview says at the end i would get a NVQ level 1 and 2. Sorry if that information is wrong im just going by what i was told in the interview.

was it a oldish guy in a suit and asked you too play a dvd
and wanted cash allmost on the spot soo he can leave you with the first part of the course lol
same guy came and see me

 

[Jon03]

was it a oldish guy in a suit and asked you too play a dvd
and wanted cash allmost on the spot soo he can leave you with the first part of the course lol
same guy came and see me

Yeah was an oldish bloke called Michael, he told me was only 1 place left on the course and to secure my place i would have to pay £100 and sign the paperwork!!!!

 

[fuzzy]

typical sales technique

 

[zakswfc]

Hi,
I have complete 2 years at college completing city and guilds level 1 & 2. For me to get on to level three I am required to find an apprenticeship and complete so many hours. I am unable to find an apprenticeship after 12months of searching. I have enquired about this Train 4 trade skills and they have said i can go straight on to there course from level 2 costin £5000 which they believe I can complete in 15months and be fully qualified. and NVQ Level 3.
Can anyone suggest what I should do?

 

[dholi85]

🙁... I am soo upset! I signed up to this 4 days ago thinking it was a reputable company. Only until I looked back at my papers and noticed I signed up for a 5k loan.🙁 . I thought I signed up for direct debit of £135 a month, the guy who came to my house said nothing of a loan. I don't want a loan, I don't want a loan, i'm unemployed and can't afford to pay it of. ... How can I cancel? Shall I just send a letter and the starter pack back recorded delivery? I don't want to do the course any more either, it's only been four days yet

 

[PlumbBobBob]

you should have a seven day cooling off period. just contact them quickly.

 

[msec]

There seems to be a lot of sour grapes on here. I have been doing the t4ts plumbing course for 4 months and have just finished module 4. It is as I expected.. difficult, hard work and expensive. Did anyone think anything else?? Are people going into this with thier eyes open?? Becoming a plumber is a career choice and if your motivation is all the talk of 50k a year then you'd better go and find another get rich quick scheme. I am already a time served electrician with 12 years experience and believe me it is a passion for the job, my reputation and my business that gets me crawling through lofts and under floorboards not exaggerated claims by a salesman on commision. Of course they are going to give you the hard sell, that is their job, that doesn't mean that the course is necessarily useless. I'll reserve judgement until theyve actually done something wrong, not a couple of days later when I realise I don't actually have any interest in plumbing, can't afford it and decide to come up with a flakey, vague reason to try and cancel which seems to be the case with most on here.
If you have an interest in plumbing, an aptitude for practical work and want to be self employed then I believe the course is suitable. However, if you want to work for a firm, on sites or local authority etc then you need to become an industry recognised, qualified, time served plumber and this means, suprise suprise, you need to serve the time. This means going to college, finding a work placement and starting at the bottom. For people to think otherwise is an insult to the industry.

 

[themyth3]

This is an advert placed by Train4TradeSkills when recruiting for Course Advisors (Salesmen):



- Would you like to earn £1000/wk - £1500/wk every week?
- Would you like acareer in an industry that is booming despite the recession?
Europe's most successful job specific training providers are now receiving an unprecedented demand for their courses and are looking for additional Course Advisors to join their successful nationwide team.
Successful candidates should possess:
- Face to face consulting or management experience
- Integrity and credibility - The ability to inspire and motivate people - A lively personality - The ability to think on your feet - A strong work ethic - Entrepreneurial flair - Excellent people skills - Your own car

The Role: - You will attend 18 confirmed qualified appointments each week with candidates in their homes who have enquired about training.
- You will interview and advise thesecandidates to establish their aptitude, motivation, suitability and suggest the best course/s to help them achieve their goals
To make sure that you hit the ground running you will be regularly shadowed on appointments by an experienced Course Advisor who will mentor and guide you to help you reach your full earnings potential quickly.
This is not a franchise or get rich quick scheme, this is a self-employed commission only position and there are over 140 people across the UK earning between £5k - £6k per month. To be successful at this job you need a very strong work ethic.
Call 08450 509 513 for more information or to apply.


I love how it says that they will "interview" the candidate (to see if their £5000 is suitable enough for them).

 

[msec]

- Would you like to earn £1000/wk - £1500/wk every week?
- Would you like acareer in an industry that is booming despite the recession?
Europe's most successful job specific training providers are now receiving an unprecedented demand for their courses and are looking for additional Course Advisors to join their successful nationwide team.
Successful candidates should possess:
- Face to face consulting or management experience
- Integrity and credibility - The ability to inspire and motivate people - A lively personality - The ability to think on your feet - A strong work ethic - Entrepreneurial flair - Excellent people skills - Your own car

The Role: - You will attend 18 confirmed qualified appointments each week with candidates in their homes who have enquired about training.
- You will interview and advise thesecandidates to establish their aptitude, motivation, suitability and suggest the best course/s to help them achieve their goals
To make sure that you hit the ground running you will be regularly shadowed on appointments by an experienced Course Advisor who will mentor and guide you to help you reach your full earnings potential quickly.
This is not a franchise or get rich quick scheme, this is a self-employed commission only position and there are over 140 people across the UK earning between £5k - £6k per month. To be successful at this job you need a very strong work ethic.
Call 08450 509 513 for more information or to apply.




I love how it says that they will "interview" the candidate (to see if their £5000 is suitable enough for them).

This ad is probably similair if not the same to most sales positions wether it is for t4ts or NPower. It is sales. They want customers. As I have said before, that does not mean that the course is useless. If a car salesman talks you into a finance deal on a car, then two days later you realise you can't afford it, does this mean that the car is worth nothing. Of course not. People on here are complaining that they have been given the hard sell, that the salesmen are chasing the money yet they have been seduced by sales patter of 50k a year earnings and have signed up without doing any research. That is hypocrosy, plain and simple.

 

[themyth3]

The salesman did a pretty good job on you, plain and simple.

 

[fuzzy]

Hi,
I have complete 2 years at college completing city and guilds level 1 & 2. For me to get on to level three I am required to find an apprenticeship and complete so many hours. I am unable to find an apprenticeship after 12months of searching. I have enquired about this Train 4 trade skills and they have said i can go straight on to there course from level 2 costin £5000 which they believe I can complete in 15months and be fully qualified. and NVQ Level 3.
Can anyone suggest what I should do?

get to know what quals you have and what you need before going spending crazy money on a trade thats currently struggling to earn experienced tradespeople a job

http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/plumbing-courses/19487-c-g-tech-cert-nvq-eal-facts-you.html

read this thread

 

[fuzzy]

🙁... I am soo upset! I signed up to this 4 days ago thinking it was a reputable company. Only until I looked back at my papers and noticed I signed up for a 5k loan.🙁 . I thought I signed up for direct debit of £135 a month, the guy who came to my house said nothing of a loan. I don't want a loan, I don't want a loan, i'm unemployed and can't afford to pay it of. ... How can I cancel? Shall I just send a letter and the starter pack back recorded delivery? I don't want to do the course any more either, it's only been four days yet

if your unemployed then you will get your training for free at a proper college

check out the new quals, private centres are running the old quals

check out advice on the quals here: http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/plumbing-courses/19487-c-g-tech-cert-nvq-eal-facts-you.html

and this about the new quals: http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/plumbing-courses/9628-building-services-level-1-city-guilds.html

 

[msec]

The salesman did a pretty good job on you, plain and simple.

Ha ha, very good. Any chance you are going to elaborate on that and give me a reason why he did a 'pretty good job on me'? Or are you just going to continue with vague, nothing comments?

Like I said before, I have completed up to module 4 and I'm still waiting to be 'ripped off'. Perhaps its because I have already completed one trade apprenticeship, so I understand the value of a trade, as well as the industry and the value of getting up in the morning and working hard. Oh no sorry, a salesman told me I can do sod all, be my own boss and earn 50k a year so it must be true. What a job he did on me.

 

[msec]

🙁... I am soo upset! I signed up to this 4 days ago thinking it was a reputable company. Only until I looked back at my papers and noticed I signed up for a 5k loan.🙁 . I thought I signed up for direct debit of £135 a month, the guy who came to my house said nothing of a loan. I don't want a loan, I don't want a loan, i'm unemployed and can't afford to pay it of. ... How can I cancel? Shall I just send a letter and the starter pack back recorded delivery? I don't want to do the course any more either, it's only been four days yet

Perfect example here...who signs up for a 5k loan without realising??? come on give me a break. This person signed up for £135 a month, what difference does it make wether its a loan repayment or a direct debit?? Either way, in their own words, they can't afford it. So why sign up??? In their own words, within 4 days, they have decided that they want to be a plumber and are willing to pay for it and then changed their minds to I don't want to do the course and I can't afford it. Yet its all the salesmans and t4ts fault. Utter rubbish.

 

[fuzzy]

defo the fault of the salesman, clear description of miselling. yes the peson signing up should take some responsibility but salesman prey on the willing, those who have a need to be excited by something. they work on that and convince the reciever they are doing the right thing. push for a signature at that time as the plce will go or something, just same technique you get from door to door double glazing.

4 days later the penny drops youve been hoodwinked, happened to many in the past. if it wasnt an effective system, salesman wouldnt use it would they

 

[paul.glazebrook]

Hello there,

Perhaps foolishly I parted with £100 yesterday for the C&G 6189 NVQ Diploma Levels 2 and 3 obviously I had to take out the 0% 42 month £135pm loan which is going to stretch me but I want to know have I just made a very big mistake or a very wise move for my future? They have advised me if I need to be put in a work related role they will handle that for me at no extra cost which I did have the brains to ask about as I know you need to be in a job or on job placement to acquire the relevant portfolio. So I ask you, have I made a big mistake or a great decision for my future? I dont have a clue yet. After reading many articles about T4TS being a con it is worrying and with my 7 day cooling off period, any advice would be very welcome.

Cheers! 🙂 Forgot to put the number in lol.

 

[fuzzy]

you need to work in the industry to get those quals, are you assured a job by them? do u have it in writing?

 

[paul.glazebrook]

No fuzzy I dont which is whats worrying me, they may be promising me things they cant commit to and leaving me out in the cold and unemployable. It's a dilemma, I know we have the week long practicals after each group of modules when we go to the centre and from what the guy said to me thats when we get certain parts signed off. Not sure if thats possible but its what I have been led to believe.

 

[fuzzy]

the only quals recognised are those you get assessed for on site. the others are just part quals, may be ok but realise they r not full quals, go to a college

 

[msec]

defo the fault of the salesman, clear description of miselling. yes the peson signing up should take some responsibility but salesman prey on the willing, those who have a need to be excited by something. they work on that and convince the reciever they are doing the right thing. push for a signature at that time as the plce will go or something, just same technique you get from door to door double glazing.

4 days later the penny drops youve been hoodwinked, happened to many in the past. if it wasnt an effective system, salesman wouldnt use it would they

I understand what you are saying Fuzzy, I'm not defending the salesman, but where does responsibility stop and start? If the salesman has blantantly lied then of course it is misselling and misleading and I would then understand if people feel aggreived. However, I really don't understand how people can complain about the 'hard sell' or selling techniques, these are pre booked appointments, they havn't just knocked on the door so there is clear premeditation on the customers part. Plenty of time then to do some proper research and find out the quals you need to do what you want. In this day I'm amazed people can still claim to have been a victim of a salesman. We all know that they work on commision so of course they are going to try the hard sell. It is their job and living and as long as they don't lie or intimidate I don't see anything wrong with it. We are not talking about coldcallers forcing the elderly into buying double glazing here, these are prebooked appointments requested by a person seeking a career change. We all have the free will to say no if we wish as many do when I'm out quoting!

 

[fuzzy]

If they title theirselves as "career advisors" the receiever is under the impression the advisor is there for their benefit, not the companies, this places a whole different emphasis on their guidance and advice. Why would you do extra homework when you have a dedicated careers advisor coming persoannly to your home, they are the 'homework'.

They often prey on peoples vunrability, people who are struggling to make a living always went to hear of potential earnings and consider working hard as a means to an end, only to find the reality a little different than percieved.

i always like to point out the facts, im independant. If people know the facts and the course is right for them then fine, im happy for them. All too often people come on here with a different story though, if its the be all and end all that its sold as, there wouldnt be that many would there?

 

[msec]

If they title theirselves as "career advisors" the receiever is under the impression the advisor is there for their benefit, not the companies, this places a whole different emphasis on their guidance and advice. Why would you do extra homework when you have a dedicated careers advisor coming persoannly to your home, they are the 'homework'.

So you are saying that rather than doing your own research you should simply take the advice of someone you've never met before asking you for £5k?? Every salesman, wether they are selling plumbing courses, cars or dishclothes is going to tell its the right thing to do. Do you not sell yourself when quoting for work? Don't you try and be smart and friendly? Do you not emphasise to the customer the virtues of employing you rather than another plumber? If you got a job to fit a bathroom and then a couple of days later the customer realised they can't afford it and start calling you a pushy salesman would you not take offence? All the costs of the course are explained in the appointment, in black and white. If its a monthly figure you can't afford, then say 'I can't afford it' if they then get pushy then of course there is an issue but I don't think that is what has happened with the majority of complainers in this thread.

They often prey on peoples vunrability, people who are struggling to make a living always went to hear of potential earnings and consider working hard as a means to an end, only to find the reality a little different than percieved.
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If you are a person struggling to make a living, then why would you sign up to £135 a month? Why do salesmen sell brand new cars on finance to people who don't have a penny in the bank? Mainly because these people have the same attitude towards money as they do everything else. They hear the 40 - 50k figures flying around and see pound signs. How is that different from the greed of the salesman? I have been a sparky for 12 years but didn't get into it until I was nearly 20, I left home at 16 lived in a hostel and spent long periods homeless and unemployed between 16 - 19. I understand the true meaning of the word skint, so I have every sympathy for genuinely vulnerable people. My belief is that the problem here is people who previously thought plumbing was manual labour carried out by hairy arsed gorillas have now realised that their media and philosophy degrees are not going to get them very far (not a slur on further education, just certain people in it) they are also required to work. So now they want a trade but don't want to bother with the 4-5 year hassle we had to go through. I find it personally insulting. Let me reiterate that I am not defending the salesmen, in my opinion the vast majority, whatever they are selling, are flash, full of carp, idiots with low morals at best. However the majority of complainers on this thread give the immpression that they are exactly the same, they just don't have the sales job to go with it. I am not tarring everyone with this brush, we all make mistakes, but some of the comments made, with no foundation or substance, regarding the course indicate to me that these people have no idea of life or how the world works. Look through the complaints on this thread, there aren't many complaints with genuine substance just a lot of hot air and sensationalism. The problem is that immediatly people jump on the 'salesman - conmen' bandwagon without looking at the facts, much the same as every tradesman gets labelled a cowboy as soon as there is a problem regardless of the issue.

 

[truemanufan]

At the end of the day salesmen didn't force anybody to pay deposit and sign up! If u have all ur marbles there's no reason why u would be thinking about cancelling a course as soon as u have started!

 

[Amine1]

Hi I don't no if I have done the right thing after signing up for a plumbing course with trade skills home learning based in Luton, I have found this forum and their are so many negative comments I'm worried now please help

 

[msec]

Hi Amine1,

What background do you have and what are your intentions for the future? Do you wish to run your own business etc?

 

[Jon03]

I understand you have had a good experiance with T4TS but we are not all idiots and some of us have been lied to and mislead.
My husband was told it was a course tutor that was coming to see him and was told in great length about a course they offered for people who wanted to go into house renovation which is what my husband wanted to do which meant at the end of the course you had a plumbing, electric and gas safe qualification and this course apparently doesn't even exist yet T4TS won't cancel his course and he is lumbered with a plumbing only course he doesn't want to do.
The man who came even took his story as far as to say his son had finshed this same course last year (complete pack of lies)
So as you see some of the people on here are not stupid and have just plain been lied to and conned!!!!!

 

[msec]

Hi Jon 03,

What quals did the salesman say your husband was going to get? What course is he on/paying for? I must say that if a salesman told me that his son had done the course that would ring bells immediatly. Please don't take my comments personally, they are not aimed at everyone, If a salesman has blantantly lied then that is another issue.

I must also say that I have only completed the first 4 modules so I've barely started yet, I am not commending t4ts I am simply reserving judgement until they have done something wrong which they havn't so far.

 

[Weegie]

Wonder why such a "reputable" company would have logos on their paperwork(constuction skills,bpec,e-skills etc) when they have no permission to do it. Also funny that the loan to pay the course comes from a company in the same street who appear to have board members that are on both companies,just saying like...

 

[Amine1]

Hi Msec I would like to be in the plumbing trade probably employed, not looking to much into them I applied and they give me all the crap about doing a favour for me and I might not get accepted you know, but pulled out bow he is meeting me Thursday to return my deposit but it's hard to know which path to take to get into the trade I have an interview soon at a local college

 

[msec]

Hi Msec I would like to be in the plumbing trade probably employed, not looking to much into them I applied and they give me all the crap about doing a favour for me and I might not get accepted you know, but pulled out bow he is meeting me Thursday to return my deposit but it's hard to know which path to take to get into the trade I have an interview soon at a local college

Hi, my advice would be that if you are looking for employment then I would definatly go to college. I would say T4TS is much more targeted to people wanting to set up themselves (several of the modules are on business, accounts, marketing etc.), unfortunatly a salesman on commision isn't always going to make that clear! Thats not to say that there is anything wrong with the course, I am currently doing the plumbing course and enjoying it, however I am currently a self emloyed electrician so I am doing this to expand my business. I will never have to apply for a job as a plumber so the quals are not really the issue.

Obviously, personal circumstances may dictate that college is not an option, plus at some point you are going to have to find a placement. Unfortunatly, this really is the only way of becoming an industry recognised qualified plumber. There really is no 'fasttrack' into any skilled trade. If you can afford to do it I would get the details of as many plumbers/firms as you can and send in your CV, maybe trying to get on as a trainee. Follow that up with a call a few days later and see what feedback you get. If nothing, then maybe working for free occasionally around other work to get some experience. Hope this helps, good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

[msec]

Wonder why such a "reputable" company would have logos on their paperwork(constuction skills,bpec,e-skills etc) when they have no permission to do it.

Hi, where did you get this info from? These logos don't appear on the paperwork I have, they are also not on the website though obvioulsy they may have been before.

Also funny that the loan to pay the course comes from a company in the same street who appear to have board members that are on both companies,just saying like...

This is a very very common business practice, carried out by most large companies that organise finance. Usually a bank subsidary is involved somewhere, in this case I believe it is Barclays. Me and the wife sold our car last year to webuyanycar.com. Their office was INSIDE Carcraft. Were we under any illusions that they are 2 different companies? No, our car wil have gone straight from webuyanycar.com onto the Carcraft forecourt to be sold, on finance, for a large profit. When we bought our house the mortgage brokers office was inside the estate agents, I don't think there is anything underhand in it really.

 

[Jamie88]

I've joined the course in December with false information, he said I would be qualified within 9 months and go away for just two weeks for the assessment cause most of the training is done through 3D scenario. In march I found out that's it's 13 weeks away and the accommodation is not all payed for. I now have a daughter which will make it hard for me to afford to take time of work, Its also affecting me to get a mortgage with my partner, I've asked them if I can cancel the course cause I'm not that far Into it and they refuse without care of my situation, being so stupid to sign up for this is the biggest mistake of my life so far and I hope

 

[Jon03]

I can really sympathise, they don't give a monkeys about peoples personal circumstances. I hadn't even started course and they wouldn't cancel Train for Trade Skills are just in it for the money they don't care about the people!!!!

 

[fuzzy]

sorry to hear that jamie

 

[WHPES]

I thought Carcraft main stakeholders were RBS not Barclays?

 

[Bernie R]

Hi everyone was looking for some help im due to meet the guy for train 4 skills tomorrow and after reading some off the views on this im having 2nd thoughts....I would like to know if the company is worht the money. also i will be traing towards my CITY OF GUILDS LEVEL 2 and DiPloma in plumbing and heating 6199-11. What exatley ARE these qualifications?will i be a fully qualified plumber? would i.e would i be able to fix electric showers, boilers etc etc or will it be the basics?

 

[fuzzy]

are you employed in the industry and or will they get you work? without that you will not complete, read the samll print

 

[Bernie R]

They will hlp me get work they said

 

[fuzzy]

They will hlp me get work they said

emmm ok they will help you but what if you dont get work? check out threads on here

check this out to answer your qs on quals
http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/plumbing-courses/19487-c-g-tech-cert-nvq-eal-facts-you.html

you can ask any qual questions there

 

[Bernie R]

Thanks fuzzy so just to confirm

City of GuildsNVQ level 2 diploma in Plumbing and heating 6189-11 (Im in scotland) Is a qualified plumber?

 

[fuzzy]

yes, qualified in basic plumbing, many places ask for advanced, which is l3

 

[karlhayes]

I found them good the only bad thing i found talking to other trainees was the price difference we all payed for the same course , but the training was good i went to Featherstone

 

[Bernie R]

thanks guys after speaking to the guy its NVQ level 3 i get trained in 🙂

 

[fuzzy]

thanks guys after speaking to the guy its NVQ level 3 i get trained in 🙂

you can get trained but you will NOT succeed without employment. you will not pass unless you pass all aspects of NVQ3, theres alot to it mate, ALOT, it aint going to be a quick fix. Most people who do fast track only do 6129 Tech Cert, taking on NVQ3 is a big ask, and as said you need employment/work experience

be careful, trained in and assessed in can be different

 

[fuzzy]

Hi everyone was looking for some help im due to meet the guy for train 4 skills tomorrow and after reading some off the views on this im having 2nd thoughts....I would like to know if the company is worht the money. also i will be traing towards my CITY OF GUILDS LEVEL 2 and DiPloma in plumbing and heating 6199-11. What exatley ARE these qualifications?will i be a fully qualified plumber? would i.e would i be able to fix electric showers, boilers etc etc or will it be the basics?

just noticed this as well, it says 'training towards'

 

[tamz]

And as you are in Scotland you won't get a job without an SVQ3 (NVQ3) infact you are unlikely to get a job without having done an apprenticeship i'm afraid.
Also the way things are now you will struggle to be taken on by anyone even if you do complete an apprenticeship.
Reasearch the trade well before you jump in and take the sales talk with a big pinch of salt. There are a lot of disappointed failures.

 

[Jamie Banks]

Guys this is only my opinion but here goes

Done a T4TS up to intermediate stage - cant believe people part with cash without research.

Found the course work to be good with books, 3D, links etc. However the best as mentioned is the weekend away where you meet the tutors from ATL - these guys are ex-plumbers, plumber and know there stuff. Think the problem is that the full stages to becoming a fully flethched trademan is alot different to the way they sell it. The NVQ side really needs alot of thought as it is expensive and you need to be able to fullfill the criteria. Think that T4TS can only do so much but the salesman make it sound so easy - thats their job. As on other links we only walk out with the basics or are not ready to go on to gas etc. I have completed my course and have walked out with a bit more knowledge and techniques such as bending, soldering etc. Think its quite dear and there are other ways to go.

I am just selling myself as a DIYer with plumbing qualities so cant possibly try to do work of a complex nature or too big. But can hopefully build it up a bit more as have contacts and these foruums are invaluable. Let us know how you all get on and any advice appreciated

 

[Bernie R]

Thanks Guys for the replys. Do you think its worth trying to get some experiance while doing the course then?

 

[fuzzy]

without it you wil struggle more than without, which will be a struggle anyway

 

[Bernie R]

Any ideas how i could get experiance ? 🙂

 

[tamz]

Rip yer ma's, burds, aunties, mates or whoever's bathroom out and put it back together again🙂

Other than that, i don't know.
If you are keen enough you may find something.

 

[Jamie Banks]

Defo if you can and its quite a big IF

 

[davidtelford]

Hi
I signed up with train4trade skills a year and a half ago and have had no contact or help off them what so ever. I have recently sent a letter to them and the finance company(career finance 4 train4trade skills ltd) stating that due to being mis-sold the course and the fact that they don't have permission to use log's from company's such as BPEC, GAS SAFE, CITB etc, I won't be paying them another penny and want a full refund. I have had no reply yet but have just found out that the qualifications I am getting maybe be about to change. I am doing NVQ 6129 City and Guilds and NVQ Level 3 6089. Does anybody know if these qualifications are any good in the plumbing industry or is it changing to diploma's.

 

[fuzzy]

Hi
I signed up with train4trade skills a year and a half ago and have had no contact or help off them what so ever. I have recently sent a letter to them and the finance company(career finance 4 train4trade skills ltd) stating that due to being mis-sold the course and the fact that they don't have permission to use log's from company's such as BPEC, GAS SAFE, CITB etc, I won't be paying them another penny and want a full refund. I have had no reply yet but have just found out that the qualifications I am getting maybe be about to change. I am doing NVQ 6129 City and Guilds and NVQ Level 3 6089. Does anybody know if these qualifications are any good in the plumbing industry or is it changing to diploma's.

the 6129 isnt an NVQ its a tech cert (not classed as full qual) big jump from 6129 l2 to NVQ3!!! eek, your working as a plumber? because you need to be to gain the nvq