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Bernie2
Re: T4TS, Starting my practical tomorrow
Hmm!
I'm an old guy just nosing around! When I was an apprentice Plumber we got £1.15p for a 45 hour week. Working Saturday morning was part of your normal week.
In those days it was all "Don't matter how long you take, just do a good job!".
It changed in the eighties to "When will you be finished?" "That job is taking a long time!" "Its costing a fortune!"
Today probably by an employer you will be told "Your next job is!" and you haven't even started the first one you had.
The customer will usually say "How much?" "How long will it take?" and "Will you be long?" regardless of whether your re washering a tap or plumbing the whole house out.
So get accustomed to it boys its part of the job.
As to the work?
Well new house work on a building site is probably one of the easiest in a way.
You are usually given a set of drawings to follow with everything worked out for you. The thing is you have to keep to the exact measurements for everything, to make all the houses look the same. That can be a bit of a pain when you first start.
Then the next thing on site work is speed!
Its usually bonus work and you have got to be fast. The slowest gets the sack first. But your work has also got to look good. Don't forget the customer probably may not know the technical difference between a good and a bad job, but they can tell one which is symmetrical and pleasing to the eye. Load your end feeds out, with solder runs everywhere and dirty great oxidised over heat marks and you'll get few points even if your job is technically brilliant. And no doing foreigners, by selling all the charcoal where your torch has been burning half the floor away. And flush your systems, no saying 3 months later "These combi's are always going wrong!" when you haven't followed the correct flushing procedures.
No putting millions of elbows on your CH runs, requiring a super booster pump to push the water around.
Oh! and yes! Never say your not sure to the customer. Just say "I'll let you know!" or "I'll do some tests!" and then go and look it up or test it.
If you say your not sure, they can loose confidence in you. A bit like a doctor saying to you "I am not sure what is wrong with you!"
So give them, reasonable cost, beauty and technical excellence all done very fast and neat and you will be the sort of plumber people will call back and give another job too.
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Hmm!
I'm an old guy just nosing around! When I was an apprentice Plumber we got £1.15p for a 45 hour week. Working Saturday morning was part of your normal week.
In those days it was all "Don't matter how long you take, just do a good job!".
It changed in the eighties to "When will you be finished?" "That job is taking a long time!" "Its costing a fortune!"
Today probably by an employer you will be told "Your next job is!" and you haven't even started the first one you had.
The customer will usually say "How much?" "How long will it take?" and "Will you be long?" regardless of whether your re washering a tap or plumbing the whole house out.
So get accustomed to it boys its part of the job.
As to the work?
Well new house work on a building site is probably one of the easiest in a way.
You are usually given a set of drawings to follow with everything worked out for you. The thing is you have to keep to the exact measurements for everything, to make all the houses look the same. That can be a bit of a pain when you first start.
Then the next thing on site work is speed!
Its usually bonus work and you have got to be fast. The slowest gets the sack first. But your work has also got to look good. Don't forget the customer probably may not know the technical difference between a good and a bad job, but they can tell one which is symmetrical and pleasing to the eye. Load your end feeds out, with solder runs everywhere and dirty great oxidised over heat marks and you'll get few points even if your job is technically brilliant. And no doing foreigners, by selling all the charcoal where your torch has been burning half the floor away. And flush your systems, no saying 3 months later "These combi's are always going wrong!" when you haven't followed the correct flushing procedures.
No putting millions of elbows on your CH runs, requiring a super booster pump to push the water around.
Oh! and yes! Never say your not sure to the customer. Just say "I'll let you know!" or "I'll do some tests!" and then go and look it up or test it.
If you say your not sure, they can loose confidence in you. A bit like a doctor saying to you "I am not sure what is wrong with you!"
So give them, reasonable cost, beauty and technical excellence all done very fast and neat and you will be the sort of plumber people will call back and give another job too.
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aever34
Re: T4TS, Starting my practical tomorrow
Hi
Did mine in february at ATL Southampton it was good fun the only thing i had problems with was the water reg test the time seem to go by so quick but if you don't get 80% the first time you get to try again (they will help you) as they want you to get a pass this is done on the first week so read up on the regs and also read the questions and do the ones you know first then go back to the rest you do get a hint as to were the answers are in the book and yes its a open book test all of the test you do on the first two weeks are
In the second week you get to fit a bathroom out this is fun when someone don't solder there jonts right and you get water everywhere
if you do go to ATL Southhampton the tutors are good the best one is Paul Brock
Anyway Good luck
Thanks
Hi
Did mine in february at ATL Southampton it was good fun the only thing i had problems with was the water reg test the time seem to go by so quick but if you don't get 80% the first time you get to try again (they will help you) as they want you to get a pass this is done on the first week so read up on the regs and also read the questions and do the ones you know first then go back to the rest you do get a hint as to were the answers are in the book and yes its a open book test all of the test you do on the first two weeks are
In the second week you get to fit a bathroom out this is fun when someone don't solder there jonts right and you get water everywhere
if you do go to ATL Southhampton the tutors are good the best one is Paul Brock
Anyway Good luck
Thanks
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Lead-Free
Re: T4TS, Starting my practical tomorrow
yea, it was fun, C&G is written out, you do learn and if you have trouble then they will show you again and again and again. the funniest bit is that every second word they say is a swear word, so dont take it the wrong way, it`s just the way they talk.
yea, it was fun, C&G is written out, you do learn and if you have trouble then they will show you again and again and again. the funniest bit is that every second word they say is a swear word, so dont take it the wrong way, it`s just the way they talk.
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collier23
Re: T4TS, Starting my practical tomorrow
sounds like prices have went up lol
sounds like prices have went up lol
Thank you for the advice bernie, cracking post🙂
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arif7
Hi,
I would like to know if any one has had any problems with train 4 trade skills? I have completed the foundation but am pulling out of the intermediate and advanced stages as they have not fulfilled a number of promises made by the man that came to my house to sell me the course.
They also told me there was a training centre in luton when there isnt. Well they have apparently completed a centre there now but i completed my written part of intermediate back in nov 08 so have waited 6 months and had to chase them numerous times so i am now looking to get my money back for the intermediate and advanced.
Has anybody else tried to get money back, taken them to court etc?
Also how much are they selling the foundation part of the course for?
I would like to know if any one has had any problems with train 4 trade skills? I have completed the foundation but am pulling out of the intermediate and advanced stages as they have not fulfilled a number of promises made by the man that came to my house to sell me the course.
They also told me there was a training centre in luton when there isnt. Well they have apparently completed a centre there now but i completed my written part of intermediate back in nov 08 so have waited 6 months and had to chase them numerous times so i am now looking to get my money back for the intermediate and advanced.
Has anybody else tried to get money back, taken them to court etc?
Also how much are they selling the foundation part of the course for?
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arran123
train 4 trade skills do nvq2 and nvq3 c&g 6129, part p, and others. what is foundation?
if u do the nvq3 there is 11 weeks of practical, + they can place u with a contractor to gain your on site evidence for nvq's
stop moaning and get on with it or stay in your current job.
if you think you can you can do it do it, if you think you cant you wont.
if u do the nvq3 there is 11 weeks of practical, + they can place u with a contractor to gain your on site evidence for nvq's
stop moaning and get on with it or stay in your current job.
if you think you can you can do it do it, if you think you cant you wont.
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arran123
Re: T4TS, Starting my practical tomorrow
i have completed level 2 with t4t and so far its been good, the practicals are good and they have done what they said on the tin.
it is what it is, im 34 and to old for any other route into plumbing, like i have said before you have two choices 1: re skill, get on with, dont moan, stay posotive, or 2: dont re skill stay the same and die wondering
i have completed level 2 with t4t and so far its been good, the practicals are good and they have done what they said on the tin.
it is what it is, im 34 and to old for any other route into plumbing, like i have said before you have two choices 1: re skill, get on with, dont moan, stay posotive, or 2: dont re skill stay the same and die wondering
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arif7
what you on about stop moaning? the nvq stuff must all be new because when i started it was just city and guilds foundation, intermediate and advanced. When you get ****ed about i think i got every right to moan along with thousands of other people about t4ts!
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arran123
sorry arif7,
i did not know that they have changed how they do it. have you tried asking if they will switch you on to the new course
have a look on the website they dont do foundation must of changed, ask if you can switch to an nvq course
i did not know that they have changed how they do it. have you tried asking if they will switch you on to the new course
have a look on the website they dont do foundation must of changed, ask if you can switch to an nvq course
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Dave
I suggest you alter the tone of your posts please...and if you swear again you will be removed from here...( read the rules)
thanks..
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arif7
I didnt swear i blanked it out to show how much ive been messed about. Ive heard so many bad things about them and been through the bad stuff with them aswell so i dont want to switch to any other course just want my money back and to forget about them.
Ive looked on a lot of other forums aswel where plumbers and employers have commented and they have said that even when you get your nvq's they still will not take you on if you have gained it from a training company like t4ts for a number of reasons.
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paulbrogden2007
tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
hi i had 2.5 hours interview today from a college adviser a so called person who seemed very nice but at the end i realized he was a salesman turning up in a black audi wanting to discuss the plumbing course where he talked about the shortages being out their however i have a relative in the plumbing trade who says because the down turn plumbers are not needed as much as the gov, say. any way tony discussed my situation such as my debts too wanted to know about my work history the things i had done i live in batley but i found it a very intense interview at the end then he discussed the costs by the end i felt if i had the money would have signed up.... if its a scam i must say its a very good one. any way the costs involved was £3950 or 22.50 per week i think they offer you fianance for the coursethe domestic course part lasts for 1 year which involves 6 weeks practical the rest is theory and virtual relialty training on the computer... their after another year for nvq level 3 and gas training. the full training including the proffesional part costs £5700 and or £35 a week.
he was still insistant their is work out their and claimed after doing the first year... could work doing basic plumbing to pay for the course it is still a loan you have to pay it is quicker than college he claimed full training takes in all about 2-3 years he claimed.
but given what plumbers are saying as well as my relative it appears work is short so maybe becoming a plumber is not a good idea but he was insisting that you need qualifications in a set trade to make a good living and was banging on about this he was saying the evening welding course i was doing wont get me any where as its only a certificate it seems i wont be able to get a job at all based on what he saying very depressing he kept going on about how does it feel to be unemployed how depressed does it make you.. what do you people think? thanks for reading...
hi i had 2.5 hours interview today from a college adviser a so called person who seemed very nice but at the end i realized he was a salesman turning up in a black audi wanting to discuss the plumbing course where he talked about the shortages being out their however i have a relative in the plumbing trade who says because the down turn plumbers are not needed as much as the gov, say. any way tony discussed my situation such as my debts too wanted to know about my work history the things i had done i live in batley but i found it a very intense interview at the end then he discussed the costs by the end i felt if i had the money would have signed up.... if its a scam i must say its a very good one. any way the costs involved was £3950 or 22.50 per week i think they offer you fianance for the coursethe domestic course part lasts for 1 year which involves 6 weeks practical the rest is theory and virtual relialty training on the computer... their after another year for nvq level 3 and gas training. the full training including the proffesional part costs £5700 and or £35 a week.
he was still insistant their is work out their and claimed after doing the first year... could work doing basic plumbing to pay for the course it is still a loan you have to pay it is quicker than college he claimed full training takes in all about 2-3 years he claimed.
but given what plumbers are saying as well as my relative it appears work is short so maybe becoming a plumber is not a good idea but he was insisting that you need qualifications in a set trade to make a good living and was banging on about this he was saying the evening welding course i was doing wont get me any where as its only a certificate it seems i wont be able to get a job at all based on what he saying very depressing he kept going on about how does it feel to be unemployed how depressed does it make you.. what do you people think? thanks for reading...
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alph250
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
I think this schmuck wants a slap, he's picking on the vulnerable by selling them a false route to a new profitable life!
Economic downturn, no work, people have debts, etc....... Why not spend the recession re-training to be a plumber with small 'learning loan' (whats the apr?) and re-pay it when you earn your first weeks paycheck of £3500!
And another point if its going to take you 2-3 years you might aswell do an apprenticeship and there cheaper prob cost around £3-£4K for 3 - 4 college years?! (please correct me if im wrong!)
Best place to look for an apprenticeship is within a maintenance company, someone big involved with public money, or there supply chain.
But this guy has no right to go through your personal circumstances and make opinions trying to butter you up, its just wrong and makes my blood boil! if you want advice ask a plumber, pick one out the yellow pages they will be more use than some c*nt in a flash car trying to get you signed up on the never never by manipulating you when weve all got the economic dowturn cloud hanging over our heads.
This guy is a ****...end off!
Virtual reality training the only virtual reality is this course...... is the work which is crying out to be done virtual reality aswel? he is a ****
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I think this schmuck wants a slap, he's picking on the vulnerable by selling them a false route to a new profitable life!
Economic downturn, no work, people have debts, etc....... Why not spend the recession re-training to be a plumber with small 'learning loan' (whats the apr?) and re-pay it when you earn your first weeks paycheck of £3500!
And another point if its going to take you 2-3 years you might aswell do an apprenticeship and there cheaper prob cost around £3-£4K for 3 - 4 college years?! (please correct me if im wrong!)
Best place to look for an apprenticeship is within a maintenance company, someone big involved with public money, or there supply chain.
But this guy has no right to go through your personal circumstances and make opinions trying to butter you up, its just wrong and makes my blood boil! if you want advice ask a plumber, pick one out the yellow pages they will be more use than some c*nt in a flash car trying to get you signed up on the never never by manipulating you when weve all got the economic dowturn cloud hanging over our heads.
This guy is a ****...end off!
Virtual reality training the only virtual reality is this course...... is the work which is crying out to be done virtual reality aswel? he is a ****
Rant over
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Padawan Plumber
Re: T4TS, Starting my practical tomorrow
Hi all, like the posts, am currently doing Train 4 Trade Skills also, currently on the water regs. So was the first session of practicals 2 weeks long? was the accomodation expensive? Is anyone from the Essex area doing this course also?
cheers
Bill
Hi all, like the posts, am currently doing Train 4 Trade Skills also, currently on the water regs. So was the first session of practicals 2 weeks long? was the accomodation expensive? Is anyone from the Essex area doing this course also?
cheers
Bill
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bcharalambous
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Re: Train 4 trade skills (t4ts)
You've joined the course you say?
What are they saying on the course? Do they help to get your work at the end or are you going self-employed?
Keep us posted. I'm sure the fee's are the same across the board though.
You've joined the course you say?
What are they saying on the course? Do they help to get your work at the end or are you going self-employed?
Keep us posted. I'm sure the fee's are the same across the board though.
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migoplumber
call me daft, but surely if your paying a fee for a course, and later they say "we pay you up to 300 quid a week for accomodation" where would this money come from?
maybe im naive but i reckon warning lights would flash!
good luck
shaun
maybe im naive but i reckon warning lights would flash!
good luck
shaun
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arran123
Re: Train 4 trade skills (t4ts)
i am training with t4t skills and they help with running your own business, any one going down the employed route who cant get employed t4t will get a work placement for you in your local area for your nvq work based assesments.
to answer your question " is it worth it" its worth it if you put in the effort and do what you have to do to make it in this industry.
i am training with t4t skills and they help with running your own business, any one going down the employed route who cant get employed t4t will get a work placement for you in your local area for your nvq work based assesments.
to answer your question " is it worth it" its worth it if you put in the effort and do what you have to do to make it in this industry.
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REDSAW
Re: Train 4 trade skills (t4ts)
work placement for nvq is not getting a paid job.
any paid jobs going out there at the moment i'm affraid will have at least a dozen well experienced guys after them and on the self employed route, your trying to compete in a cut throat market against seasoned pro's trying to survive now your trying to stand toe to toe. hello...
but good luck.
work placement for nvq is not getting a paid job.
any paid jobs going out there at the moment i'm affraid will have at least a dozen well experienced guys after them and on the self employed route, your trying to compete in a cut throat market against seasoned pro's trying to survive now your trying to stand toe to toe. hello...
but good luck.
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bcharalambous
Re: Train 4 trade skills (t4ts)
im training with t4ts and i can see wat redsaw is saying, im only 4 months into my course so can t compete with the pro's yet but i have a buisiness background and personally i think at least 75% percent of fast trackers will have to go down the self employed route. from my experience in dealing with plumbers that have let me go out and work with them, none of them seem to want to drop their prices in the current economic climate, they say they need to get as much money as possible from the work they do have, which i can understand.. but, personaly i would slash prices by at least a third on big jobs, bite the bullet and do some proper advertising and im sure you would get some work if your prices were a lot cheaper than the competition. when i am qualified i will advertise as plumber, doing gas as well, i wll have someone i can sub work out to , obviosly getting my small cut and along with that and the knowledge and experience watching the guy do the work, if he dont like it, he can get stuffed and ill find someone who does want the work.. anyone doing one of the fast track courses just remember,there are people on here whohave managed to run succesful buisiness's and i can also tell you another fact, there are lot of people out there who have passed there courses and have got nowhere because they dont realise theat just because you have passed a plumbing course and got your qualifications that you will be automatically good at running a buisiness, running a buisiness is going to be lot harder then passing your course.. sorry to have gone off the subject a bit, you know how it is!!! just one last thing, id just like to say, i never realised how hard a plumbers a life is, you guys deserve every penny you get.. hopefully this reccession will be over in the next decade!!
im training with t4ts and i can see wat redsaw is saying, im only 4 months into my course so can t compete with the pro's yet but i have a buisiness background and personally i think at least 75% percent of fast trackers will have to go down the self employed route. from my experience in dealing with plumbers that have let me go out and work with them, none of them seem to want to drop their prices in the current economic climate, they say they need to get as much money as possible from the work they do have, which i can understand.. but, personaly i would slash prices by at least a third on big jobs, bite the bullet and do some proper advertising and im sure you would get some work if your prices were a lot cheaper than the competition. when i am qualified i will advertise as plumber, doing gas as well, i wll have someone i can sub work out to , obviosly getting my small cut and along with that and the knowledge and experience watching the guy do the work, if he dont like it, he can get stuffed and ill find someone who does want the work.. anyone doing one of the fast track courses just remember,there are people on here whohave managed to run succesful buisiness's and i can also tell you another fact, there are lot of people out there who have passed there courses and have got nowhere because they dont realise theat just because you have passed a plumbing course and got your qualifications that you will be automatically good at running a buisiness, running a buisiness is going to be lot harder then passing your course.. sorry to have gone off the subject a bit, you know how it is!!! just one last thing, id just like to say, i never realised how hard a plumbers a life is, you guys deserve every penny you get.. hopefully this reccession will be over in the next decade!!
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REDSAW
Re: Train 4 trade skills (t4ts)
im not bitching and i am writing this with a little grin and confused, but...
me tooo. s/emp
look the best place to start is getting work with your local councils where you can learn more and there standard is not that high anyway, not for the schite i have seen at least so wait till you can get on.
economic climate?
proper advertising?
my ad bill this year is short of £7k
i have earnt more this year than last year already, and yes, i could now work for a pound a day plus expenses, (come to think, i am as i am training for my gas card and my titearse mate wont pay me) do you want to compete with me noww? wake up.
all that would do is de-valuate public opinion as to how much a plumber is worth and before long we will be on the same rate as a gardener (£8 per hour here).
slash your prices you say?
immagine god forbid, some one near to you has a serious problem in their health.
you have 2 choices to fix it........
1, harley st , 1st class service and expertise guarentted to solve the problem £8,000.
2, romania, bring your own sandwiches £800.
q: who will you book with?
its the same where ever you go, people in the u.k know you get what u pay for and your most welcome to the krap as while you work 3 times harder for a third less, why be a plumber in the first place?, yes, to earn a descent living.
finally, if you are dropping your prices 33% from every one else and taking on gas jobs that you admit you cannot do, how the hell are you expecting to sub it out to a gas engineer who should be charging more than you anyway and be expecting a cut of the top for you.?.
not being personal here but i would also tell you to get stuffed and wait untill that customer rang me...
looking up at the clouds in expectation is one thing
but not if you have just gone over the edge of the cliff................................................................................................................
im not bitching and i am writing this with a little grin and confused, but...
me tooo. s/emp
look the best place to start is getting work with your local councils where you can learn more and there standard is not that high anyway, not for the schite i have seen at least so wait till you can get on.
economic climate?
proper advertising?
my ad bill this year is short of £7k
i have earnt more this year than last year already, and yes, i could now work for a pound a day plus expenses, (come to think, i am as i am training for my gas card and my titearse mate wont pay me) do you want to compete with me noww? wake up.
all that would do is de-valuate public opinion as to how much a plumber is worth and before long we will be on the same rate as a gardener (£8 per hour here).
slash your prices you say?
immagine god forbid, some one near to you has a serious problem in their health.
you have 2 choices to fix it........
1, harley st , 1st class service and expertise guarentted to solve the problem £8,000.
2, romania, bring your own sandwiches £800.
q: who will you book with?
its the same where ever you go, people in the u.k know you get what u pay for and your most welcome to the krap as while you work 3 times harder for a third less, why be a plumber in the first place?, yes, to earn a descent living.
finally, if you are dropping your prices 33% from every one else and taking on gas jobs that you admit you cannot do, how the hell are you expecting to sub it out to a gas engineer who should be charging more than you anyway and be expecting a cut of the top for you.?.
not being personal here but i would also tell you to get stuffed and wait untill that customer rang me...
looking up at the clouds in expectation is one thing
but not if you have just gone over the edge of the cliff................................................................................................................
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newbie1
Re: Train 4 trade skills (t4ts)
surprised that while still training you are talking of slashing prices and subbing out work well ime surprised if these people are so succesfull why they are trying to move into a very stressfull market of self employed plumber
the streets are not paved with gold for plumbers and it takes a good 3-4 years to just be competent and a lot longer to be good
plumbers do deserve every penny its not an easy road to be a good qualified plumber and slashing prices is a good way to drive down the earning potential for this trade
why would an experienced gas guy sub to a beginer and also give him a cut??
surprised that while still training you are talking of slashing prices and subbing out work well ime surprised if these people are so succesfull why they are trying to move into a very stressfull market of self employed plumber
the streets are not paved with gold for plumbers and it takes a good 3-4 years to just be competent and a lot longer to be good
plumbers do deserve every penny its not an easy road to be a good qualified plumber and slashing prices is a good way to drive down the earning potential for this trade
why would an experienced gas guy sub to a beginer and also give him a cut??
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arran123
its not £300 per week, its £30 a day mon- fri 4 nights £120 still cant grumble, i'm sure some will though
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johnmess
Re: Train 4 trade skills (t4ts)
I agree that dropping prices is a bad idea, it would be like saying to your current employeer "I know times are tough so why not cut my wages to help you out"
I am doing the T4TS course and have never fallen under the imperssion it will be easy money. If I wanted an easy life I would stick with my current job.
I am doing the course because I enjoy plumbing and I want a job that will continue to challange me for years to come.
As this part of the fourm is about the courses I am happy with t4ts so far the material has been a good mix and I will happily answer any questions about it.
I agree that dropping prices is a bad idea, it would be like saying to your current employeer "I know times are tough so why not cut my wages to help you out"
I am doing the T4TS course and have never fallen under the imperssion it will be easy money. If I wanted an easy life I would stick with my current job.
I am doing the course because I enjoy plumbing and I want a job that will continue to challange me for years to come.
As this part of the fourm is about the courses I am happy with t4ts so far the material has been a good mix and I will happily answer any questions about it.
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lance
Re: Train 4 trade skills (t4ts)
firstly hello everyone this is my first post
im 2 weeks into mt t4tskills course ,paying £3900
im trying to get a new skill as was a roofer and had a accident=lost job
after reading threads on this company ,ive obviosly been misleaded as i want the skills to be a competant plumber
im looking to go with a local plumber to get some work experience as well
i am worried as ive been out of work for 3 years and want to be out working
has anyone got any pointers?🙂
thanks
firstly hello everyone this is my first post
im 2 weeks into mt t4tskills course ,paying £3900
im trying to get a new skill as was a roofer and had a accident=lost job
after reading threads on this company ,ive obviosly been misleaded as i want the skills to be a competant plumber
im looking to go with a local plumber to get some work experience as well
i am worried as ive been out of work for 3 years and want to be out working
has anyone got any pointers?🙂
thanks
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johnmess
Re: Train 4 trade skills (t4ts)
If you don't mind me asking how do you feel miss-lead?
If you can get work experience with a local plumber take it with both hands, it is my understanding that the course can't make you a competant plumber (I am doing the course myself) it can only give you an understanding of the under pinning logic, rules and regulations.
Getting out with another plumber will give you experience in doing the job.
So having both in my opinion is fantastic.
Any Questions just ask
If you don't mind me asking how do you feel miss-lead?
If you can get work experience with a local plumber take it with both hands, it is my understanding that the course can't make you a competant plumber (I am doing the course myself) it can only give you an understanding of the under pinning logic, rules and regulations.
Getting out with another plumber will give you experience in doing the job.
So having both in my opinion is fantastic.
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lance
Re: Train 4 trade skills (t4ts)
im having problems with the 3d disk ,first section completed task just cant seem to do the cold water check,even though ive checked everything is there a system im not doing correct,
im having problems with the 3d disk ,first section completed task just cant seem to do the cold water check,even though ive checked everything is there a system im not doing correct,
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truemanufan
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
i am currently on the train 4 trade skills course and i have no problems! no interest loan and it costs £35 per week to pay back and they are very helpful! you learn at your own pace and all costs towards practical assessments are covered for example if the training centre is away from your house the travel and accomodation is covered! no probs people just need to realise there are other ways of learning than goin to college and losing money! this way you can still earn and learn! end off !!!!!
i am currently on the train 4 trade skills course and i have no problems! no interest loan and it costs £35 per week to pay back and they are very helpful! you learn at your own pace and all costs towards practical assessments are covered for example if the training centre is away from your house the travel and accomodation is covered! no probs people just need to realise there are other ways of learning than goin to college and losing money! this way you can still earn and learn! end off !!!!!
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lauramo
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
I queried online, was phoned to say someone would come and speak to me, to discuss the course. Turns out it was a salesman which I was un-perpared for.
He sold me this amazing package.
I explained that i was mid-moving house and said time was restricted at the moment... he went into fulls sales pitch.
I asked if I could cancel after the domesticated plumbing and he stated I could (LIE).
I moved house, forgot about the course but at xmas I realised that I didn't have the time and post-poned it until June whilst i sorted more pressing personal matters.
They accepted my postponing.
However since then I have tried to cancel, but they're not having any of it.
I haven't started the course.
I was lied too... about quite a few things.
And yet I've offered to pay a cancellation fee and they're just not helping at all.
I'm stuck.
It seems they have the money and now they don't care if I start the course or not.
I'm seeking legal advice.
As I haven't actually started the course or used any of the materials then I'm hoping I have some ground to stand on.
Anyone else thinking of court action?
They shouldn't be allowed to do this.
To give you a 3 week cancellation period on a course that's so big and long is shocking.
They should give you the option of cancellation after domesticated.
As what if you find self-teaching difficult?
I queried online, was phoned to say someone would come and speak to me, to discuss the course. Turns out it was a salesman which I was un-perpared for.
He sold me this amazing package.
I explained that i was mid-moving house and said time was restricted at the moment... he went into fulls sales pitch.
I asked if I could cancel after the domesticated plumbing and he stated I could (LIE).
I moved house, forgot about the course but at xmas I realised that I didn't have the time and post-poned it until June whilst i sorted more pressing personal matters.
They accepted my postponing.
However since then I have tried to cancel, but they're not having any of it.
I haven't started the course.
I was lied too... about quite a few things.
And yet I've offered to pay a cancellation fee and they're just not helping at all.
I'm stuck.
It seems they have the money and now they don't care if I start the course or not.
I'm seeking legal advice.
As I haven't actually started the course or used any of the materials then I'm hoping I have some ground to stand on.
Anyone else thinking of court action?
They shouldn't be allowed to do this.
To give you a 3 week cancellation period on a course that's so big and long is shocking.
They should give you the option of cancellation after domesticated.
As what if you find self-teaching difficult?
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arif7
I would have taken them to court if i had the money but had to accept that i had to pay 2950 instead of 6250 and just swallow it 🙁
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Gazza
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
I am currently doing the same course. I got the course material over a year ago but only recently started doing it. Course material seems fair enough, some mistakes but those are higlighted in the online section and corrections given. Done my first scenario which again does exactly what it says it does. I can make mistakes and flood a virtual house instead of a real one 🙂.
So far i have been happy with it, yes it's expensive but at the end I get an industry recognised qualification and the loan is interest free. At the end of the day the qualification is always going to help. I have an NVQ in floorlaying which has gotten me into some large commercial work because as part of thier insurance contractors have to be qualified.
The sale guy who came to my house is also one of my tutors, I got the standard sales speil but to be fair he's only spouting goverment statistics which I would take with a pinch of salt anyway.
maybe on the down turn he was talking about, was people not buying new houses at the moment and instead spending money on renovation of exisiting property, is this maybe what he was getting at?
Any industry at the moment is struggling not just plumbing. But you are not going to complete the course in the next 12 months and hopefully the recession might be over the worst of it by the time you finish. You main question should be can I afford to get into a credit agreement with your current job? is it safe?
lauramo, sorry to hear about your situation but it appears the issue you have is with the credit agreement which you signed not the college itself. 3 weeks cancellation to me seems fair as the legal stance on cancellation of credit agreements is 14 days Credit
Also as you have mentioned they accepted a postponing which again seems fair enough. If you took out a credit agreement on a £30,000 car or £300 tv legally it would still be the same.
NEVER SIGN ANYTHING you are not certain of. I never sign anything there and then as I want to be sure and told the sales rep this. I also asked for a copy of the credit agreement. I told him to contact me in a few days time once I have ingested everything and spoken it over with my wife which he did with no pressure.
If you feel the rep missold you the course in anyway then I would contact them and ask to speak to someone who can deal with complaints
I am currently doing the same course. I got the course material over a year ago but only recently started doing it. Course material seems fair enough, some mistakes but those are higlighted in the online section and corrections given. Done my first scenario which again does exactly what it says it does. I can make mistakes and flood a virtual house instead of a real one 🙂.
So far i have been happy with it, yes it's expensive but at the end I get an industry recognised qualification and the loan is interest free. At the end of the day the qualification is always going to help. I have an NVQ in floorlaying which has gotten me into some large commercial work because as part of thier insurance contractors have to be qualified.
The sale guy who came to my house is also one of my tutors, I got the standard sales speil but to be fair he's only spouting goverment statistics which I would take with a pinch of salt anyway.
maybe on the down turn he was talking about, was people not buying new houses at the moment and instead spending money on renovation of exisiting property, is this maybe what he was getting at?
Any industry at the moment is struggling not just plumbing. But you are not going to complete the course in the next 12 months and hopefully the recession might be over the worst of it by the time you finish. You main question should be can I afford to get into a credit agreement with your current job? is it safe?
lauramo, sorry to hear about your situation but it appears the issue you have is with the credit agreement which you signed not the college itself. 3 weeks cancellation to me seems fair as the legal stance on cancellation of credit agreements is 14 days Credit
Also as you have mentioned they accepted a postponing which again seems fair enough. If you took out a credit agreement on a £30,000 car or £300 tv legally it would still be the same.
NEVER SIGN ANYTHING you are not certain of. I never sign anything there and then as I want to be sure and told the sales rep this. I also asked for a copy of the credit agreement. I told him to contact me in a few days time once I have ingested everything and spoken it over with my wife which he did with no pressure.
If you feel the rep missold you the course in anyway then I would contact them and ask to speak to someone who can deal with complaints
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i think people need to wake up and smell the coffe, T4T do what it says on the tin, its hard it takes time effort and discipline. while you are studying write to every plumber you can think of, ask if they will be a mentor, one day a week, for free. i truly belive if you stay focused you will make it, some one starting a course and not doing any work towards it for 6 months does not sound to determined, and then to put the blame on the company who enrolled them is the easy thing to do.
i can only go on my experience and i think t4t skills are ok. but so are probably most of the training providers.
train 4 trade use atl for the practicals who have been around since 1991, if that makes any difference.
i can only go on my experience and i think t4t skills are ok. but so are probably most of the training providers.
train 4 trade use atl for the practicals who have been around since 1991, if that makes any difference.
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Old soutie
Hi all I am a newbie. Well I to have been looking at getting into the plumbing trade in the UK. All the courses that I have looked at sound fantastic. But reading through some of the feed back from others that have done the courses there are some things that they fail to mention. Extra costs when you are finnished the course ie; inspections on jobs that you have done. Not that I am saying that all the courses do it but some do.
I am trying to find out from some one I have done a course in South Africa and what do I need to do here to get into plumbing. No one can answer me at all at this moment. It is full domestic plumbing equal to NVQ 2 6089.
I am trying to find out from some one I have done a course in South Africa and what do I need to do here to get into plumbing. No one can answer me at all at this moment. It is full domestic plumbing equal to NVQ 2 6089.
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johnmess
Hi Old Soutie,
Currently there are no requirements for plumbers to be qualified in the UK to work. I would only think that getting work with a company or small buisness might be hard if you have no practial experiance.
If you do find it hard getting a job with a company there is nothing legaly stopping you from being self employeed.
One thing though I would suggest you learn though is water regulations for England, Scotland or Nothern Ireland depending on where you want to work.
Good luck
Currently there are no requirements for plumbers to be qualified in the UK to work. I would only think that getting work with a company or small buisness might be hard if you have no practial experiance.
If you do find it hard getting a job with a company there is nothing legaly stopping you from being self employeed.
One thing though I would suggest you learn though is water regulations for England, Scotland or Nothern Ireland depending on where you want to work.
Good luck
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greg1968
hi there, was just browsing thru the site and so your post.. i started last december on the course and am really enjoying it.. just on module 8- the dreaded water regs... how u doin on the study? was interested in u sayin about workin away as im wantin to go to canada when im finished on the course... regards greig
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Alan35
Hey Greg, Im sitting water regs test this coming week, Apparently its open book according to bpec website and approx 40 questions. Had a email from them the other day after asking bout it.
cheers
cheers
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bcharalambous
train 4 trade skills feedback.
this will be the last new thread on t4ts that i do.. i just want people on the course to leave honest feedback, like how far you are into the course, what you think about doing the water regs without any on the job experience, what you thought about the 2 weeks practical, what route are thinking of taking after getting your qualifications, etc.. also would like to hear from people who have passed the course, whether or not you have been succesful or not... 😕😕😕 like i said before, i only want feedback from t4ts students, not 'time-served' moanerzANDgronerz. thanks..😱😱😱
this will be the last new thread on t4ts that i do.. i just want people on the course to leave honest feedback, like how far you are into the course, what you think about doing the water regs without any on the job experience, what you thought about the 2 weeks practical, what route are thinking of taking after getting your qualifications, etc.. also would like to hear from people who have passed the course, whether or not you have been succesful or not... 😕😕😕 like i said before, i only want feedback from t4ts students, not 'time-served' moanerzANDgronerz. thanks..😱😱😱
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chrisd28
Re: T4TS, Starting my practical tomorrow
hi everyone, also doing t4ts. level 2 modules completed. didnt think i would get the next lot until i'd done the practicals. practicals booked for late august. One tip people, if you're looking to complete quickly, then you need to book the practicals as soon as you get the letter to do so after module 11 i think. the gap between available dates can be up to a few months away, so book early. it wont be within a few weeks.
anyway, just wanted to ask, do you do the level 2 C&G exam within those 2 weeks. i thought the practicals were first, then you booked somewhere to do the exam. Is it written multiple choice, or is it the computerised gola exam. do you need to revise or open books
Also do you do the water regs certificate or is that seperate. ive still got the sticker for the water regs module.
hopefully someone will know what i'm on about
thanks
chris
hi everyone, also doing t4ts. level 2 modules completed. didnt think i would get the next lot until i'd done the practicals. practicals booked for late august. One tip people, if you're looking to complete quickly, then you need to book the practicals as soon as you get the letter to do so after module 11 i think. the gap between available dates can be up to a few months away, so book early. it wont be within a few weeks.
anyway, just wanted to ask, do you do the level 2 C&G exam within those 2 weeks. i thought the practicals were first, then you booked somewhere to do the exam. Is it written multiple choice, or is it the computerised gola exam. do you need to revise or open books
Also do you do the water regs certificate or is that seperate. ive still got the sticker for the water regs module.
hopefully someone will know what i'm on about
thanks
chris
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Alan35
Re: T4TS, Starting my practical tomorrow
I havnt done mine through T4TS but all the centres that do the practical training involve much the same thing I did mine though skills centre and I think alot of these training providers use the same centre as each other.
Ive just done and completed my course, I dont hink you get a bpec certificate, just a card with your photo on it, they will take the sticker off you when you go up there wouldnt worry bout that.
There was no Gola exam for me. I did my training through ATL in Featherstone (near Wakefield) Week one was just bending and soldering a basic written test on general plumbing, week 2 was setting up a direct cylinder to a bathroom suite there was no test it was just a practical assesment - but I have been told this has now changed and incorporates a test at the end. Then the dreaded water regs test, but its not so hard as its open book, but pays to be aware of where things are in the modules.
All I got was C+G certificates, one for each week then followed by bpec card you get in post once its gone through (still waiting) I did the unvented hot water storage as part of my final week aswell so will get CITB card for that.
Cheers.
I havnt done mine through T4TS but all the centres that do the practical training involve much the same thing I did mine though skills centre and I think alot of these training providers use the same centre as each other.
Ive just done and completed my course, I dont hink you get a bpec certificate, just a card with your photo on it, they will take the sticker off you when you go up there wouldnt worry bout that.
There was no Gola exam for me. I did my training through ATL in Featherstone (near Wakefield) Week one was just bending and soldering a basic written test on general plumbing, week 2 was setting up a direct cylinder to a bathroom suite there was no test it was just a practical assesment - but I have been told this has now changed and incorporates a test at the end. Then the dreaded water regs test, but its not so hard as its open book, but pays to be aware of where things are in the modules.
All I got was C+G certificates, one for each week then followed by bpec card you get in post once its gone through (still waiting) I did the unvented hot water storage as part of my final week aswell so will get CITB card for that.
Cheers.
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truemanufan
Re: train4 trade skills new starter
Hi all i have been doin the t4ts course now for about 1-2 months! i have just completed module 4 and am waiting for the next lot of work to be delivered. i am also in the process of asking local plumbers if i can come and be a joey the odd day and work for him voluntary once a week to gain valuable experience and start building up my portfolio. I would recommend this to all new starters for 2 reasons 1 to gain experience before the practical so that you are not going into the practical without doing anythiong remotely hands on and 2 to build up the portfolio for the NVQ. Everything benefits yourself doin things like this so i will be doin as much as poss. Good luck all!
Hi all i have been doin the t4ts course now for about 1-2 months! i have just completed module 4 and am waiting for the next lot of work to be delivered. i am also in the process of asking local plumbers if i can come and be a joey the odd day and work for him voluntary once a week to gain valuable experience and start building up my portfolio. I would recommend this to all new starters for 2 reasons 1 to gain experience before the practical so that you are not going into the practical without doing anythiong remotely hands on and 2 to build up the portfolio for the NVQ. Everything benefits yourself doin things like this so i will be doin as much as poss. Good luck all!
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stecunners
Re: train4 trade skills new starter
hi all t4ts students,,,,just submitted tma 18, been on the course since december 08,the last few modules are all about business, how to get customers,how to keep them once you've got them, advertising,web site design,paperwork,invoices,the list goes on..its quite interesting but some of the multiple choice answers are so easy,just common sense really...
i am booked to go for two weeks practical in september, have been waiting a while now but that was the earliest they could fit me in...
The course overall is enjoyable you can study at your leisure,the water regs module 8 i think ,takes a lot of digesting, i still occasionally pick it up and have a read from time to time...for the people that have just started the course i say stick at it and if you find yourself getting bored,put it away and try the day after, works for me...
hi all t4ts students,,,,just submitted tma 18, been on the course since december 08,the last few modules are all about business, how to get customers,how to keep them once you've got them, advertising,web site design,paperwork,invoices,the list goes on..its quite interesting but some of the multiple choice answers are so easy,just common sense really...
i am booked to go for two weeks practical in september, have been waiting a while now but that was the earliest they could fit me in...
The course overall is enjoyable you can study at your leisure,the water regs module 8 i think ,takes a lot of digesting, i still occasionally pick it up and have a read from time to time...for the people that have just started the course i say stick at it and if you find yourself getting bored,put it away and try the day after, works for me...
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jayd1974
Hi i have just read your post i to am on the t4t course i am on mod 15 been at it now for 11 months i am waiting to go down and do my practicall i have been told you do two weeks training but on the phone they told me after that now i am doing my other mods am on 15 i go down again for another two weeks is this true thanks mate good to ear the trainers are good nice one james.
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arch
hello to all you people on train4trades courses. ive done the foundation course and just found out ive got to wait up to 10 weeks for my certs.
also because i was told certain things like its 2weeks training then 3weeks training ididnt bother studying the study guide. the person who sold me this course, a guy named steve, told me all sorts of lies like id get £800 worth of tools i got about £150 worth. he also said the course i paid for was the full c&g course but of course it isnt. also the actuall course was supposed to include shower fitting, it didnt. i would advise anyone thinking of having anything to do with this company to seriously think again, there are plenty of other training providers out there, some even help with placements, trade4trade basically just want your money.
i know it sounds like sour grapes but i dont want others wasting money on a course that may not help them, dont get suked in like i did.
also because i was told certain things like its 2weeks training then 3weeks training ididnt bother studying the study guide. the person who sold me this course, a guy named steve, told me all sorts of lies like id get £800 worth of tools i got about £150 worth. he also said the course i paid for was the full c&g course but of course it isnt. also the actuall course was supposed to include shower fitting, it didnt. i would advise anyone thinking of having anything to do with this company to seriously think again, there are plenty of other training providers out there, some even help with placements, trade4trade basically just want your money.
i know it sounds like sour grapes but i dont want others wasting money on a course that may not help them, dont get suked in like i did.
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jcgillies
I am currently looking at doing a plumbing course and particularly through T4TS, from reading every bodies posts on here I am not to sure. What I have decided to do is send an email over to them, I got about 10 questions for them to answer, I think in the process of typing the email I had made the decision not to use them.
Anybody suggest any other companies?
Anybody suggest any other companies?
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Winston
I genuinely believe that many of the courses are taking advantage of individuals who are unhappy with thier current jobs or the media making out that plumbers earn loads of dosh. I attended a fast track course and learnt loads, but I went with very little plumbing knowledge apart from my DIY attempts.
I think anyone who is considering courses needs to be very careful as its a load of money, and one year from finishing my course I learn every day I am working. There isnt the work out there that the courses make out and you are very unlikely to find employed work. This then leaves you to go out on your own, but you wont really have the skills that are required to cover all apects of plumbing.
And this is where you need to be honest with yourself and your customer, dont take on jobs if you dont know what your doing, try and find a good local plumber that you can pass it onto. He may in return pass on stuff they are not interested in, and they may even show you how the jobs done.
I would also like to point out plumbing is not easy far from it and you would be suprised as to how long jobs take, and you also need to build up experience to find alternative methods of completing the jobs.
I think anyone who is considering courses needs to be very careful as its a load of money, and one year from finishing my course I learn every day I am working. There isnt the work out there that the courses make out and you are very unlikely to find employed work. This then leaves you to go out on your own, but you wont really have the skills that are required to cover all apects of plumbing.
And this is where you need to be honest with yourself and your customer, dont take on jobs if you dont know what your doing, try and find a good local plumber that you can pass it onto. He may in return pass on stuff they are not interested in, and they may even show you how the jobs done.
I would also like to point out plumbing is not easy far from it and you would be suprised as to how long jobs take, and you also need to build up experience to find alternative methods of completing the jobs.
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bunny78
The only advice I could give anyone is 1 day at collage 4 days employed 4-5 years later=fully qualified.
I know I going to get bombarded I cant get a job bit maybe this is a sign.
I have approx 3 calls a week for people wanting to work for free just so they can get experience.
Working for some one first makes ALL the difference and will boost confidence.
good luck in your endevours.
I know I going to get bombarded I cant get a job bit maybe this is a sign.
I have approx 3 calls a week for people wanting to work for free just so they can get experience.
Working for some one first makes ALL the difference and will boost confidence.
good luck in your endevours.
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arran123
Re: train 4 trade skills feedback.
i,m doing the course too, thr practicals are with atl who are fantastic.
i,m doing the course too, thr practicals are with atl who are fantastic.
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andrewcplatt
Re: train 4 trade skills feedback.
Train 4 trade skills is no scam.If you are in full time employment,like i am and couldnt commit to fulltime plumbing studies,then i believe its the way to go.Looking around at pricing,i believe that for me,the price is a good one.At the end of the day,its up to you how succesful you want to be in the trade.Its a good platform to build on once qualified.
Train 4 trade skills is no scam.If you are in full time employment,like i am and couldnt commit to fulltime plumbing studies,then i believe its the way to go.Looking around at pricing,i believe that for me,the price is a good one.At the end of the day,its up to you how succesful you want to be in the trade.Its a good platform to build on once qualified.
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tattffpigs
hi im just going to start the course and i can wait, so you think when i finish i will find a job with the t4t skills.
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dave1
Re: train4 trade skills new starter
they are building a centre in luton aswell but not sure yet as to completion date im holding out for luton as close to it, is anyone else struggling to get to grips with electrical side?
they are building a centre in luton aswell but not sure yet as to completion date im holding out for luton as close to it, is anyone else struggling to get to grips with electrical side?
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david williams
most of these fast track courses should be looked apon as bare basic to enter the plumbing trade.you cant train a plumber in 16 ,weeks it only takes 6 weeks acording to reactfast .all these fast track training copanies are trading on old statistics there are no longer 30,000 plumbing jobs out there. if there ever were. plumbing companies will try avoid employing you if you have done one of these courses because they know you do not know enough to be able to the work.they have their custermer base to think of the last thing they want is to send a plumber who has to keep phoning the office to find out what to do it does not look good on them.and there are legal and insurence issues.as for this older plumbers are ignerant of new concepts rules and regulations [that of course all fast track plumbers know] a good plumber is always learning and keeping abrest of all new legistration,thats why they are still working.i dont blame anyone wanting to be aplumber it has earned me agood living over the years,but to show the state of the industry now a lot of the polish plumbers[and they are not all bad plumbers]are now going home due to the lack of work.
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Marcelle
hi this is a very interesting post as im battling to find the right course for me but this sounds absolutely perfect please can you forweard on details of exactly what course you did with trade for skills and what sort of work you got after. id really appreciate a speedy reply as I have an interview with access2 trade careers tomorrow doing a plumbing and gas course which is 6028???
thanx for your time and help
marcelle
thanx for your time and help
marcelle
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david williams
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
where are you all going to go when you finish these cources,check with local plumbers in your area to see about employment,you may change your mind about spending your money.and its not just old plumbers not wanting you to become plumbers,its lack of work in the industry.and as i found out the other day from a freind of my son who has done a fast track course,he called me in to sort out something he was not sure of,his mate who did the course with him ,thought he new better than any plumber who qualified more than two days before him, so its not all one way
where are you all going to go when you finish these cources,check with local plumbers in your area to see about employment,you may change your mind about spending your money.and its not just old plumbers not wanting you to become plumbers,its lack of work in the industry.and as i found out the other day from a freind of my son who has done a fast track course,he called me in to sort out something he was not sure of,his mate who did the course with him ,thought he new better than any plumber who qualified more than two days before him, so its not all one way
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
Sorry but 'these people' are not necessarily 'gits'. They are salesmen. Selling is a legitimate profession in order to earn a living. If there is an issue with misrepresentation on any aspect (this applies for any training company) - contact trading standards. Route out and expose the cowboys!! Anyone signing up for, or contemplating entering the plumbing trade (trade is not a dirty word - it means skill and something anyone having it should be proud of) needs to be wary of salesmen (as in any other arena). The bottom line is :- Is there work after training? Is there any work at all? Are you looking to go self-employed or hope for employment with a firm? Can you hack being self-employed? Can your partner if you have one? Can you bide your time whilst building a business? Is the course worth the money?. Is plumbing for you? Ask youselves ALL these questions BEFORE signing with any firm and DO some research. Yes there is work out there but not a lot and prices are lower than ever: competition is fierce! Lastly gang, remember - if and when you face the big wide world with your new tools and skills, you will have to become salesmen yourselves coz work sure-as hell wont come knocking on your door. For the record, I run a small plumbing concern: I am not a training provider salesman or linked with or to any training provider.
Sorry but 'these people' are not necessarily 'gits'. They are salesmen. Selling is a legitimate profession in order to earn a living. If there is an issue with misrepresentation on any aspect (this applies for any training company) - contact trading standards. Route out and expose the cowboys!! Anyone signing up for, or contemplating entering the plumbing trade (trade is not a dirty word - it means skill and something anyone having it should be proud of) needs to be wary of salesmen (as in any other arena). The bottom line is :- Is there work after training? Is there any work at all? Are you looking to go self-employed or hope for employment with a firm? Can you hack being self-employed? Can your partner if you have one? Can you bide your time whilst building a business? Is the course worth the money?. Is plumbing for you? Ask youselves ALL these questions BEFORE signing with any firm and DO some research. Yes there is work out there but not a lot and prices are lower than ever: competition is fierce! Lastly gang, remember - if and when you face the big wide world with your new tools and skills, you will have to become salesmen yourselves coz work sure-as hell wont come knocking on your door. For the record, I run a small plumbing concern: I am not a training provider salesman or linked with or to any training provider.
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secret squirrel
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
I agree with bcp 100 per cent. I did a fast track course at the beginning of this year and have been in business for about 4 months. Its hard going, its a struggle.
Courses don't teach the intricasies of plumbing, the problems you come across, what to expect, what happens when it goes wrong. what to do if you just don't know what to do. What to carry on the van. What to charge, when that 30 minute job turns into 4 hours and its one thing after the other.
Yep, its fun on the course, thinking you've turned the water off, soldered all the joints correctly but as soon as you go into a house there's no fun then.... that mistake is expensive. You haven't quite frozen that pipe although you've followed the instructions..........
I can honestly say that I have never read instructions on packets as much as I have in the last few months. These fast track courses can do many things but they can never give you experience....... I am leaning something new every job, even if its a tap washer.
Everyone must be careful when handing over that amount of money and not make an on the spot decision, my advice, think very carefully before handing over a huge amount of money, Plumbing is not an easy route to riches, its extremely hard work with many highs and lows. If you need a regular income with paid holiday and sick leave do not go down the self employed route.
I tried applying for the college route but it was still going to cost me a lot and I was too old for most of the courses, so fast track was my only option.
Having said about the self employed route, dependent on your age and financial needs it may be the only route.
Whatever you decide college or fast track. Good luck and expect hard work.
I agree with bcp 100 per cent. I did a fast track course at the beginning of this year and have been in business for about 4 months. Its hard going, its a struggle.
Courses don't teach the intricasies of plumbing, the problems you come across, what to expect, what happens when it goes wrong. what to do if you just don't know what to do. What to carry on the van. What to charge, when that 30 minute job turns into 4 hours and its one thing after the other.
Yep, its fun on the course, thinking you've turned the water off, soldered all the joints correctly but as soon as you go into a house there's no fun then.... that mistake is expensive. You haven't quite frozen that pipe although you've followed the instructions..........
I can honestly say that I have never read instructions on packets as much as I have in the last few months. These fast track courses can do many things but they can never give you experience....... I am leaning something new every job, even if its a tap washer.
Everyone must be careful when handing over that amount of money and not make an on the spot decision, my advice, think very carefully before handing over a huge amount of money, Plumbing is not an easy route to riches, its extremely hard work with many highs and lows. If you need a regular income with paid holiday and sick leave do not go down the self employed route.
I tried applying for the college route but it was still going to cost me a lot and I was too old for most of the courses, so fast track was my only option.
Having said about the self employed route, dependent on your age and financial needs it may be the only route.
Whatever you decide college or fast track. Good luck and expect hard work.
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kwakerdude911
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kwakerdude911
if u dont have an nvq u will have probs getting work - nvq's are work based as well as theory - from what u are saying you havent done this
trade 4 trade have had more bad press then good so gives us an idea - there are pros and cons
i done a course which i had to pay for because the government wont help people over a certain age as far as education is concerned and took that over 2 years so was able to digest everything
some courses like this are ok i would say to do
obviously if u are leavin school get on a full time course for nothing !
trade 4 trade have had more bad press then good so gives us an idea - there are pros and cons
i done a course which i had to pay for because the government wont help people over a certain age as far as education is concerned and took that over 2 years so was able to digest everything
some courses like this are ok i would say to do
obviously if u are leavin school get on a full time course for nothing !
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newbie1
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
another spot on post secret
was putting a boiler and 4 rads in the other day in a void house so no flooring/carpets turned water on fine
fired up the heating pipe expanded and pop pin hole on a joint water spurting out 🙁🙁
another spot on post secret
was putting a boiler and 4 rads in the other day in a void house so no flooring/carpets turned water on fine
fired up the heating pipe expanded and pop pin hole on a joint water spurting out 🙁🙁
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IPB Plumb
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
Secret I am with you totally...
I retire when I am 50ish... Problem is that's to old too get gainful college experience over a two/three year course. I will need a fast track course and then go it alone and build on experience and learn and start off slowly...
I will be in the lucky position of having money and backing to do this even if it doesn't work out... I don't want to retire and sit and be bored every day. I will just try and tag along to some bigger jobs with someone else and hopefully the country will be a little more straight by then and there will be jobs for everyone !!!!!!!!! Pigs may fly to.....
Secret I am with you totally...
I retire when I am 50ish... Problem is that's to old too get gainful college experience over a two/three year course. I will need a fast track course and then go it alone and build on experience and learn and start off slowly...
I will be in the lucky position of having money and backing to do this even if it doesn't work out... I don't want to retire and sit and be bored every day. I will just try and tag along to some bigger jobs with someone else and hopefully the country will be a little more straight by then and there will be jobs for everyone !!!!!!!!! Pigs may fly to.....
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anonplumber
Re: train4 trade skills new starter
I loved train 4 trades. I rushed through my first books as I was so excited only to then have to wait 7 months to get on my first practical. when i finnally got to go on it i was shocked to find out it was in wakefield or luton, I was sold that the course was in scotland! When I did get to wakefield I found that I wasn't alone, 6 other scots were told the same thing and others were also told the training centre was near them. The trouble didn't stop there. when i got to weeks 3and4 practicals (6 months after compleating tma's) we were taught the opposit to things in the books, the exam question had things that we were never told (1 out of 16 people passed). There were so many other problems that I could go on all day listing. During break time in the busy tearoom someone got up on a table and asked "is anyone satisfied with t4ts?" There was a few second silence followed by roars of laughter.
I have made my name anon as at the moment 11 of us have clubbed together to take t4ts to court.
I loved train 4 trades. I rushed through my first books as I was so excited only to then have to wait 7 months to get on my first practical. when i finnally got to go on it i was shocked to find out it was in wakefield or luton, I was sold that the course was in scotland! When I did get to wakefield I found that I wasn't alone, 6 other scots were told the same thing and others were also told the training centre was near them. The trouble didn't stop there. when i got to weeks 3and4 practicals (6 months after compleating tma's) we were taught the opposit to things in the books, the exam question had things that we were never told (1 out of 16 people passed). There were so many other problems that I could go on all day listing. During break time in the busy tearoom someone got up on a table and asked "is anyone satisfied with t4ts?" There was a few second silence followed by roars of laughter.
I have made my name anon as at the moment 11 of us have clubbed together to take t4ts to court.
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anonplumber
Re: train4 trade skills new starter
don't worry about water regs. Its open book and the test even gives you the page AND paragraph to look in.
don't worry about water regs. Its open book and the test even gives you the page AND paragraph to look in.
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rfvpatlttp
Re: train4 trade skills new starter
OK guy's, I was studying plumbing through PlumbingSkills and the Skills Centre (Cardiff) until they went belly up but because my practicals were held at ATL in Southampton, who have now taken over the admin side from PlumbingSkills and the Skill Centre aswell I have been transfered onto the Train4Trades course in order to continue my training.
I was booked in at ATL for the end of this month to do my third week, the Bpec WRAS Water Reg's but it got cancelled because of the switch over and I had to wait for the T4TS course work to arrive so they could assess my knowledge and Plumbing skill for inclusion onto the T4TS course.
Basically starting all over again.🙁
The first course module arrived yesterday along with a couple cd/dvd's and instructions on how to access the online student website and the Tutor Team. The problem is, you are supposed to use your 'college number' as your username. The only numbers I have are my Student Ref Number and my C&G enrolment registration number neither of which the T4TS website recognise and you can't contact T4TS any other way at the weekend because their office hours are from Monday to Friday! Duh!😡🙁😕
OK guy's, I was studying plumbing through PlumbingSkills and the Skills Centre (Cardiff) until they went belly up but because my practicals were held at ATL in Southampton, who have now taken over the admin side from PlumbingSkills and the Skill Centre aswell I have been transfered onto the Train4Trades course in order to continue my training.
I was booked in at ATL for the end of this month to do my third week, the Bpec WRAS Water Reg's but it got cancelled because of the switch over and I had to wait for the T4TS course work to arrive so they could assess my knowledge and Plumbing skill for inclusion onto the T4TS course.
Basically starting all over again.🙁
The first course module arrived yesterday along with a couple cd/dvd's and instructions on how to access the online student website and the Tutor Team. The problem is, you are supposed to use your 'college number' as your username. The only numbers I have are my Student Ref Number and my C&G enrolment registration number neither of which the T4TS website recognise and you can't contact T4TS any other way at the weekend because their office hours are from Monday to Friday! Duh!😡🙁😕
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covkid
Has anybody had the same problems as me with train4tradeskills there course adviser coming to your house telling you a load of lies to get you to sign up.then when you ask about going on your 1st practical you are told you have to pay £1000 first and then payed up in full before you can go on any more practicals.( i know my own fault i should have read the terms & condtions) also a 24 month course-35 month finance agreement ????????
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covkid
if its trian 4 tradesskills check your t&c on the back of your enrollment form on what u have to pay before you go for practicals
hello i am in the same boat as you i have emailed bbc watchdog to see if they will take up the story of how t4t are ripping people off
dont use t4t they rip you off you have to pay£1000 before you go to your 1st practical and be fully paid up before you go on any others check there t&c
hello i am in the same boat as you i have emailed bbc watchdog to see if they will take up the story of how t4t are ripping people off
dont use t4t they rip you off you have to pay£1000 before you go to your 1st practical and be fully paid up before you go on any others check there t&c
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arran123
Re: train 4 trade skills feedback.
They do get you a work placement for nvq test if u cant find one yourself but its not a permanent job
They do get you a work placement for nvq test if u cant find one yourself but its not a permanent job
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rfvpatlttp
Re: train4 trade skills new starter
Can only assume you are replying to my posting but I am ALL PAID UP. PlumingSkill finance paid off.
Plumbob ATL sent me and all the student a list of local guest houses around Hedge End and the training centre, they varied in price. Practicals usually ran from 8 to 5 Mon to Fri.
Didn't need to book a guest house myself as I have a friend in Portsmouth who let me stop there for the week, thank God or I would be looking at £50 to £100 each visit plus travel costs getting there.
There were loads of guys from Wales on my training session so Midlands shouldn't be to out of the way and there were a lot of working Plumbers and Electrician turned up in their works vans on practicals and classroom sessions while I was there. Some working for firms and others had gone it alone.
The training I received there was good and passing the City&Guilds tests at the end of the week helped in building confidence, especially when the Certificates through the Post.
The practicals don't faze me in fact I look forward to them, I've already fit three bathroom suites, repaired a couple wc's, replaced leaking compression fittings with soldered joints, fit a couple kitchen sinks, plumbed in a dishwaher, drained and flushed radiators on a central heating system and fit a MagnaClean.
Make sure you buy your own JTL Plumbing books, they are invaluable, a pipe bender to practice at home and I can't remember who it was earlier but don't be put off by Summit Skills, they train school leavers at college and find some of them teaboy jobs with local Plumbers while they attend on day release. You get more practical training on real jobs in a 39Hr week on ATL plumbing practical than a school leaver attending college once a week.
Ps. Check out Learnatrade.co.uk How To Become A Plumber and their training aids and resources.
I think that will do for now.
Can only assume you are replying to my posting but I am ALL PAID UP. PlumingSkill finance paid off.
Plumbob ATL sent me and all the student a list of local guest houses around Hedge End and the training centre, they varied in price. Practicals usually ran from 8 to 5 Mon to Fri.
Didn't need to book a guest house myself as I have a friend in Portsmouth who let me stop there for the week, thank God or I would be looking at £50 to £100 each visit plus travel costs getting there.
There were loads of guys from Wales on my training session so Midlands shouldn't be to out of the way and there were a lot of working Plumbers and Electrician turned up in their works vans on practicals and classroom sessions while I was there. Some working for firms and others had gone it alone.
The training I received there was good and passing the City&Guilds tests at the end of the week helped in building confidence, especially when the Certificates through the Post.
The practicals don't faze me in fact I look forward to them, I've already fit three bathroom suites, repaired a couple wc's, replaced leaking compression fittings with soldered joints, fit a couple kitchen sinks, plumbed in a dishwaher, drained and flushed radiators on a central heating system and fit a MagnaClean.
Make sure you buy your own JTL Plumbing books, they are invaluable, a pipe bender to practice at home and I can't remember who it was earlier but don't be put off by Summit Skills, they train school leavers at college and find some of them teaboy jobs with local Plumbers while they attend on day release. You get more practical training on real jobs in a 39Hr week on ATL plumbing practical than a school leaver attending college once a week.
Ps. Check out Learnatrade.co.uk How To Become A Plumber and their training aids and resources.
I think that will do for now.
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Alan.Ford
Re: train 4 trade skills feedback.
I have just enrolled with T4T Skills last week and if they deliver everything they say then it will be great. It was the 2nd time someone came to speak to, me from T4T, the 1st time the salesman was a c*ck but this time he was more down-to-earth. Out of all the courses I looked at, this seemed the best value and they seemed to include more in their courses than some of the other companies. They don't do an 8 or 12 week intensive course but it's a little more like college where you study over 12 - 36 months but at home instead of in the school and you attend practical sessions and assessments. Like this, I believe, you have a better chance of learning as and remembering everything rather than having everything thrown at you in 2 or 3 months.
The saleman form T4T claims that they will place you with a qualified plumber for e few days after each course so you can be assessed and get some real life experience, if you cannot find a job on your own. Whether this happens remains to be seen as with everything else but lets not pre-judge.
I know it won't be easy (the studying or the work) but everyone has to start somewhere and even when you have worked in the industry for 50 years, I am sure you still learn stuff. I was in the glazing trade for 10 years and I used to come up against new window systems that I had never seen before which means you have to work it our for yourself. That's the same when you start a new career except it happens more often but if you approach it in the right frame of mind, I am sure you can work it out.
Good luck to everyone.
I have just enrolled with T4T Skills last week and if they deliver everything they say then it will be great. It was the 2nd time someone came to speak to, me from T4T, the 1st time the salesman was a c*ck but this time he was more down-to-earth. Out of all the courses I looked at, this seemed the best value and they seemed to include more in their courses than some of the other companies. They don't do an 8 or 12 week intensive course but it's a little more like college where you study over 12 - 36 months but at home instead of in the school and you attend practical sessions and assessments. Like this, I believe, you have a better chance of learning as and remembering everything rather than having everything thrown at you in 2 or 3 months.
The saleman form T4T claims that they will place you with a qualified plumber for e few days after each course so you can be assessed and get some real life experience, if you cannot find a job on your own. Whether this happens remains to be seen as with everything else but lets not pre-judge.
I know it won't be easy (the studying or the work) but everyone has to start somewhere and even when you have worked in the industry for 50 years, I am sure you still learn stuff. I was in the glazing trade for 10 years and I used to come up against new window systems that I had never seen before which means you have to work it our for yourself. That's the same when you start a new career except it happens more often but if you approach it in the right frame of mind, I am sure you can work it out.
Good luck to everyone.
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david williams
Re: train 4 trade skills feedback.
good luck alan.your attitude to learning at a longer time frame will pay of for you.
good luck alan.your attitude to learning at a longer time frame will pay of for you.
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Plumbpete
Re: train 4 trade skills feedback.
Train4tradeskills NOT ANY USE IF YOU LIVE IN SCOTLAND. Salesman told me training in centre between Glasgow and Edinburgh. Told another scot, centre in Uddingston. Signed up as I could travel to pratical training. Nearest centre Featherstone near Leeds. No use if you cannot stay due to family/work commitments. Anyone else told centres in Scotland? so much for UK wide.
Train4tradeskills NOT ANY USE IF YOU LIVE IN SCOTLAND. Salesman told me training in centre between Glasgow and Edinburgh. Told another scot, centre in Uddingston. Signed up as I could travel to pratical training. Nearest centre Featherstone near Leeds. No use if you cannot stay due to family/work commitments. Anyone else told centres in Scotland? so much for UK wide.
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Alan.Ford
Re: train 4 trade skills feedback.
Thanks David, I hope so. I know there is no short cut to success and I aim to try and learn everything as thoroughly as possible and get a sound understanding of every aspect of Plumbing and Heating. Doing it over a longer period of time has go to be the best way I'm sure.
Cheers,
Thanks David, I hope so. I know there is no short cut to success and I aim to try and learn everything as thoroughly as possible and get a sound understanding of every aspect of Plumbing and Heating. Doing it over a longer period of time has go to be the best way I'm sure.
Cheers,
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anonplumber
Re: train 4 trade skills feedback.
YES! I was told it was at the same place and during my practicals i found a lot of people told the same thing.
A few people were staying at a campsite near featherstone and said that was cheap.
T4TS have let me down in too many ways to go into here but, I will say that alt featherstone were really good. The tutors have gone out of thier way to help. I have 2 of the tutors private email address at told that i can email them anytime for etra help.
Also there was a girl on the course from glasgow who is being given £300 a week travel expences to go to featherstone but, I believe she had a fight on her hands to get it.
YES! I was told it was at the same place and during my practicals i found a lot of people told the same thing.
A few people were staying at a campsite near featherstone and said that was cheap.
T4TS have let me down in too many ways to go into here but, I will say that alt featherstone were really good. The tutors have gone out of thier way to help. I have 2 of the tutors private email address at told that i can email them anytime for etra help.
Also there was a girl on the course from glasgow who is being given £300 a week travel expences to go to featherstone but, I believe she had a fight on her hands to get it.
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youngmavro
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
Since signing up, I had to go to a family wedding in Oman for 2 weeks, which the girlfriends father leant us the money. at the time didn't realise only had 3 weeks to cancel, which coincided with the cancellation date, only realised when the money came out my acount, which made me overdrawn !
I cannot even claim income support or any kind of benefits & t4ts are doing nothing to understand my situation, now I'm getting court summonds fo £ 5995 !!! This is going to ruin me severly, do you have any reccomendations or any sort of way I can get out of this ? regards Mark
Hello there, I signed up for t4ts, thought it was great idea, salesman really sold it to me ! Told him from very begining 'have been abroad for 10 yrs back here for 3 yrs & can't get a job !' He insisted that it will be ok , you only got to find £35 a week ! I was in a catch 22... need a job, but can't get a job without qualifications ! even though worked for the ol' man plumbing for 10 yrs beforehand !
Since signing up, I had to go to a family wedding in Oman for 2 weeks, which the girlfriends father leant us the money. at the time didn't realise only had 3 weeks to cancel, which coincided with the cancellation date, only realised when the money came out my acount, which made me overdrawn !
I cannot even claim income support or any kind of benefits & t4ts are doing nothing to understand my situation, now I'm getting court summonds fo £ 5995 !!! This is going to ruin me severly, do you have any reccomendations or any sort of way I can get out of this ? regards Mark
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lauramo
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
Hi there,
Just to confirm, did you after signing the agreement receive a 2nd copy of the contract with the cancellation rights?
From CDF?
If not you really need to contact them requesting they send this to you (Trading Standards will be able to help, or I can send you a copy of the letter they gave to me , msg me your email address on here), they'll respond stating that they sent it, however what you need to request is a proof of posting. Their word won't be accepted. As they won't provide this you'll have to contact the financial ombudsman.
As myself, and other people online that I've spoken to, only received the copy giving to them by the saleaman.
This may get you out of the contract, you'll still owe train for trade the money but it'll cut out the middle man.
I was lied to when I purchased the course which is why I was so willing to take this to court... As he did tell me that the course was in 3 parts and that I could cancel after the first part. I found out that he'd made an additional box on my contract, ticked it and wrote DB next to it, which stood for domestic plumbing... So when i queried they stated that I was only signed up for the first part.
I'm fortunately out of the credit contract now and am going to contact T4T to see how it stands with them.
Hi there,
Just to confirm, did you after signing the agreement receive a 2nd copy of the contract with the cancellation rights?
From CDF?
If not you really need to contact them requesting they send this to you (Trading Standards will be able to help, or I can send you a copy of the letter they gave to me , msg me your email address on here), they'll respond stating that they sent it, however what you need to request is a proof of posting. Their word won't be accepted. As they won't provide this you'll have to contact the financial ombudsman.
As myself, and other people online that I've spoken to, only received the copy giving to them by the saleaman.
This may get you out of the contract, you'll still owe train for trade the money but it'll cut out the middle man.
I was lied to when I purchased the course which is why I was so willing to take this to court... As he did tell me that the course was in 3 parts and that I could cancel after the first part. I found out that he'd made an additional box on my contract, ticked it and wrote DB next to it, which stood for domestic plumbing... So when i queried they stated that I was only signed up for the first part.
I'm fortunately out of the credit contract now and am going to contact T4T to see how it stands with them.
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Plumbpete
Seems many people missold T4Tcourse by reps.
I have finally had course cancelled after10 months. Dispute started in June.
I contacted Barclays and did not stop direct debit - didn't want bad credit.
Barclays gave me a complaint handler from customer relations team.
T4T, Scheidegger or Multimedia (whatever they want to be called) paid Barclays back and I am getting my money back.
Contacted Barclays on 0844 811 9000
I have finally had course cancelled after10 months. Dispute started in June.
I contacted Barclays and did not stop direct debit - didn't want bad credit.
Barclays gave me a complaint handler from customer relations team.
T4T, Scheidegger or Multimedia (whatever they want to be called) paid Barclays back and I am getting my money back.
Contacted Barclays on 0844 811 9000
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Winston
I think anyone who feels they are going to know it all regarding plumbing is going to be very dissapointed. I have noe done 12 months trading and its been hard very hard. I am not trying to put anyone off at all but dont believe the carp some course providers may dish out. They are salesman after all.
I personally do not regret it and enjoy it but it is far from easy and I know my limitations.
I personally do not regret it and enjoy it but it is far from easy and I know my limitations.
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Plumbpete
When I tried to cancel with Train4Trade I found out that there were a few companies involved.
After I signed up in October 08, Watchdog were looking at Skillstrain. At the time I thought it was nothing to do with me as it covered ITcourses. The address for Skillstrain is the same as Train4Trade.
My case is sorted but anyone going to watchdog should check watchdog website and let them know it is same address.
After I signed up in October 08, Watchdog were looking at Skillstrain. At the time I thought it was nothing to do with me as it covered ITcourses. The address for Skillstrain is the same as Train4Trade.
My case is sorted but anyone going to watchdog should check watchdog website and let them know it is same address.
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bieski81
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gazham
Hi jopybus
Ihave just read you note about you train 4 you course how did you do the practical side of it and get you book completed
Ihave just read you note about you train 4 you course how did you do the practical side of it and get you book completed
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wittek
Re: train 4 trade skills scenario 4
...Yes can you tel me what to do to finish the scenario 4? I chenged the radiator ect but still some problem .
...Yes can you tel me what to do to finish the scenario 4? I chenged the radiator ect but still some problem .
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david williams
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MAW
I have just realised that this post should not be here! as it's not related to T4T Skills, but I'm gonna leave it just incase someone can help - Thanks......
Hi,
I already have my own business based around carpentry and I have been looking into these 'Fast Track' courses for Plumbing. In particular I have been looking at signing up with Trade Qualified Ltd who offer the following C & G qualifications:
· Plumbing Level 2 Technical Certificate - C&G 6129-02
· Domestic Copper Pipework Installation - C&G 6022
· Sanitary Accommodation Installation Maintenance and Design - C&G 6032
· Water Supply Regulations 1999 - Bpec Certification
· Design Installation and Maintenance of Power and Gravity Fed Shower Systems
· Unvented Hot Water Storage Systems - CITB
· Domestic Electrical Installer Defined Scope Part P Certificate - Bpec
· CSCS Site Safety Card
· Appointed Persons First Aid Certificate - Health and Safety Executive
Has anybody come across or had experience of this company? were they good, bad or just okay?
I'm not looking to be employed by any company, I just want to be able to expand on my current business so when I'm installing kitchen or bathroom units / worktops etc I can also offer the plumbing side and feel that I'm qualified to do so.
I have done a fair bit of basic plumbing in kitchens and bathrooms from adding an appliance to ripping out all old pipework and starting again. And I have been told that I am pretty good at it.
Are these courses worth it? I would like to be able to advertise as being a ''Qualified'' plumber as I think in this day and age it carries more weight with the general public due to all of the bad press of letting Unqualified cowboy’s into your home.
I am very close to signing up, but after reading some of the posts on this forum I am now wondering if I am doing the right thing.
Any good honest advice or suggestions would be very welcome.
Thanks,
MAW
Hi,
I already have my own business based around carpentry and I have been looking into these 'Fast Track' courses for Plumbing. In particular I have been looking at signing up with Trade Qualified Ltd who offer the following C & G qualifications:
· Plumbing Level 2 Technical Certificate - C&G 6129-02
· Domestic Copper Pipework Installation - C&G 6022
· Sanitary Accommodation Installation Maintenance and Design - C&G 6032
· Water Supply Regulations 1999 - Bpec Certification
· Design Installation and Maintenance of Power and Gravity Fed Shower Systems
· Unvented Hot Water Storage Systems - CITB
· Domestic Electrical Installer Defined Scope Part P Certificate - Bpec
· CSCS Site Safety Card
· Appointed Persons First Aid Certificate - Health and Safety Executive
Has anybody come across or had experience of this company? were they good, bad or just okay?
I'm not looking to be employed by any company, I just want to be able to expand on my current business so when I'm installing kitchen or bathroom units / worktops etc I can also offer the plumbing side and feel that I'm qualified to do so.
I have done a fair bit of basic plumbing in kitchens and bathrooms from adding an appliance to ripping out all old pipework and starting again. And I have been told that I am pretty good at it.
Are these courses worth it? I would like to be able to advertise as being a ''Qualified'' plumber as I think in this day and age it carries more weight with the general public due to all of the bad press of letting Unqualified cowboy’s into your home.
I am very close to signing up, but after reading some of the posts on this forum I am now wondering if I am doing the right thing.
Any good honest advice or suggestions would be very welcome.
Thanks,
MAW
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canno949
train for trade skills ( i need serious help)
iv been doing this course for some time now and havnt paid much attention to it as have been struggling to find a job to pay for it etc. i have recently managed to grab a part time job at argos and iv been reading up on reviews and have massive doubts about the course as it seems i wont even be able to have the qualifications to get employed.
i want to get my money back but whats the best way to go about this?
and i do definatley want to be a plumber and whats the best way froward once iv shrugged this mess off?
iv been doing this course for some time now and havnt paid much attention to it as have been struggling to find a job to pay for it etc. i have recently managed to grab a part time job at argos and iv been reading up on reviews and have massive doubts about the course as it seems i wont even be able to have the qualifications to get employed.
i want to get my money back but whats the best way to go about this?
and i do definatley want to be a plumber and whats the best way froward once iv shrugged this mess off?
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arran123
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canno949
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
iv bin with train for trade skills a while now and have only just seen these posts... im a bit gutted obviously thinking im going to become a fully qualified plumber... i know now that i was very gullable, but i really need to know how i get out of this.
it was a bloke called bernie that came round and introduced me to it all
he told me i'd become a fully qualified plumber and would get employed easily with any plumbing company once i'd finished the course.
after reading some of these reviews it kind of appears that this was all bull**it.
im signed up to a company called CDF but its gone through to a debt company as i was unemployed at the tym and i missed a couple of payments strugglin to get the cash together.
does anyone know how to get these idiots off my back and out of my life?
iv bin with train for trade skills a while now and have only just seen these posts... im a bit gutted obviously thinking im going to become a fully qualified plumber... i know now that i was very gullable, but i really need to know how i get out of this.
it was a bloke called bernie that came round and introduced me to it all
he told me i'd become a fully qualified plumber and would get employed easily with any plumbing company once i'd finished the course.
after reading some of these reviews it kind of appears that this was all bull**it.
im signed up to a company called CDF but its gone through to a debt company as i was unemployed at the tym and i missed a couple of payments strugglin to get the cash together.
does anyone know how to get these idiots off my back and out of my life?
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david williams
Re: tony bryden from train 4 trade skills
try to remember what he told you,do you have it in writing.if he told you there were 30,000 plumbing jobs available in uk he lied ,if he told you,you would be a fully trained plumber with just a few weeks training he missled you ,you should claim you were sold a course not fit for purpose,i would like to know how many fast track plumbers find themselves having paid for expencive training and unable to find employment.some of these companies claim 100% trainee pass but to what standerd
try to remember what he told you,do you have it in writing.if he told you there were 30,000 plumbing jobs available in uk he lied ,if he told you,you would be a fully trained plumber with just a few weeks training he missled you ,you should claim you were sold a course not fit for purpose,i would like to know how many fast track plumbers find themselves having paid for expencive training and unable to find employment.some of these companies claim 100% trainee pass but to what standerd
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jonezy
train4tradeskills qualifications
Currently just started my train4tradeskills course, now im not sure whether you just get city and guilds level 3, or nvq level 3? anyone know if your nvq's are included? as it doesn't really explain it properly.
Currently just started my train4tradeskills course, now im not sure whether you just get city and guilds level 3, or nvq level 3? anyone know if your nvq's are included? as it doesn't really explain it properly.
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canno949
Re: train for trade skills ( i need serious help)
i joined up think it was september 08 but put me down for november or somethin cnt remember why tho think it was cuz i wasnt 18 yet.
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REDSAW
Re: train for trade skills ( i need serious help)
NO CHANCE!
take what youve got and make the most of it as you can and paid for.
you can stop payments but they will recover them from you so just get your head down and since your not working now, claim your a student any extra could help pay for it?.
NO CHANCE!
take what youve got and make the most of it as you can and paid for.
you can stop payments but they will recover them from you so just get your head down and since your not working now, claim your a student any extra could help pay for it?.
Re: train for trade skills ( i need serious help)
Hi there, am on a course with T4TS myself. I expect your on the 6128. Which is what they signed me up for. This does not lead to a plumbing NVQ but a Heating and vent NVQ. Write to train for trade skills and request a transfer to the 6129 course which IS plumbing studies and will give you the qualifications to achieve a PLUMBING NVQ. Hope this is some help. No course is as good as the experience you get from practicing your new skills. So find some willing friends and relatives that you can change some taps and things just to start you off. Also get yourself some decent Level 2 6129 plumbing studie books from amazon. The ones T4TS provide are pants!!!
Hi there, am on a course with T4TS myself. I expect your on the 6128. Which is what they signed me up for. This does not lead to a plumbing NVQ but a Heating and vent NVQ. Write to train for trade skills and request a transfer to the 6129 course which IS plumbing studies and will give you the qualifications to achieve a PLUMBING NVQ. Hope this is some help. No course is as good as the experience you get from practicing your new skills. So find some willing friends and relatives that you can change some taps and things just to start you off. Also get yourself some decent Level 2 6129 plumbing studie books from amazon. The ones T4TS provide are pants!!!
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covkid
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collier23
never heard about anything like that i pay for my course by DD and have been told i can go on the practical whenever is good for me😕
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