What Combi Bolier should I have installed

[billy1]

Hi
Looking at replacing a Worcester 28i combi boiler

I have received comparable quotes all roughly around £1700+ for the following
What should I go for

Ideal Logic 30kw 7 year warranty
Baxi Duotec 7 year warranty
Vaillant eco tec pro 28kw 5 year warranty
Worcester junior 28i 5 year warranty

Ideal problems in the past but okay now?
Baxi you need the warranty because you will be always calling them out!
Vailant good boiler but difficult to service and poor customer service
Worcester good boiler? good customer service, but plastic parts and rubber pipes break after 2 years!


I have done a lot of research but I confused by all the conflicting reviews
:confused5:

 

[Ray Stafford]

I have done a lot of research but I confused by all the conflicting reviews
:confused5:

Thats about to get worse. Its like going on a petrol head forum and asking "whats the best car?"

Before we descend into opinions, on a point of fact you need the Ideal Logic PLUS to get the 7 year warranty. The ordinary Logic is 2 years.

What are you trying to optimise for? Cost of purchase? Lifetime cost? Flow rate performance? Reliability?

For some people, they don't care if it breaks down, so long as its under warranty. Others feel differently. Its hard to make a recommendation until we know whats important to you.

 

[mountainman]

I wouldn't give a Worcester house room!

 

[hammers4spanner]

Worcester are bag of nails

 

[townfanjon]

Just to chuck another one into the mix ..... Viessmann, IMO the best by miles

 

[julesverne]

I would go for ideal logic plus all day long. Baxi duo tec hea good. Other I won't unless customer is adamant. IMHO Worcester and vaillant are overpriced and no more reliable than than the other 2. Also the Worcester junior is there bottom of the range model.

 

[Deleted member 32524]

Ideal Logic plus or WB 29CDI Classic. 28I, I my opinion, is rubbish.

 

[Nostrum]

Ideal Vogue would be my choice, really rate it. Preferential support and very reasonably priced if you know someone who has a good supplier. Very similar to a Vaillant but easier controls and cheaper.

Vaillant parts are expensive, wouldn't say they are hard to service though in fact the complete opposite. Good boilers though.

Worcester, not something I would recommend on experience.

Baxi, solid boiler but a dated design now, it seems they can only make one good boiler.

Intergas will get a shout as a good concept but let's hope you don't need to rely on their service, it's dire.

My experience of Viessmann has been pretty average, haven't seen the 200 series though.

trying to be as unbiased as possible whilst still being realistic.

 

[Rich8]

Baxi every time for me

 

[kris]

Worcester classic or ideal logic plus for me although worcester for me everytime but not the i or junior range just the classic im a big fan of... The worcester youve been qouted is poop like jules said its there bottom end market seller. Vaillant goid aswell. If you get a worcester accredited installer you can get up to 7-10years . Ideal logic + is a standard 7 year warranty.

 

[AWheating]

a cdi classic with extended warranty?

tbh you cant really go wrong with the boilers you have listed on a budget install.

the most important thing is the person fitting it.

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

Baxi every time for me

and me duotec hea is a cracking boiler,been fitting them for 8 years 7 year warranty on them now

 

[REDSAW]

baxi for me std 7year warranty.
old design but revamped, good price spares. unlike others their not wavering from what works!

bit like a land rover defender and lasts for years!!😉

 

[lame plumber]

intergsas as theres nought to break and they seem reliable from my experience

 

[REDSAW]

intergsas as theres nought to break and they seem reliable from my experience

if you could do an intergas for £1700 i recon the jobs yours?

 

[pipefitter]

Vaillant ..... & a magnaclean

 

[IDCHAPPY]

Logic + or Eco tech pro

 

[Ray Stafford]

bit like a land rover defender and lasts for years!!😉

Its bad enough that we have to listen to the Landy lobby in winter, but I draw the line in summer!

I see your egregious Landy reference, and raise you THIS VIDEO

 

[Mazp]

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[happyflyer]

I wouldn't give a Worcester house room!

Oh guys give me a break mines 4 years old and not a thing wrong, am I living on borrowed time, or just a lucky bugger.

What does Ray think of Worst - er

 

[pipefitter]

I'm saying this touching wood....my worcester cdi is 6 years old & never had a problem ....also I service a lot of Worcesters & generally find them reliable & nice to work on ,
I think a lot of it is down to the install

 

[happyflyer]

I knew they were having me on Pipe

 

[pipefitter]

Yeh Worcesters are the best ......

 

[wetdrip]

I've got a Worcester still boxed, and you guys have me filling-up here:-(
Pass me a tissue...PLEASE.

 

[julesverne]

The issue I have against Worcester and vaillant is the price. Your paying for an alleged premium product and a lot of its plastic the price isn't justified they no more reliable than Baxi or ideal yet these are so much cheaper and the back up from ideal is tip top and the warranty is available to all not just the chosen few. Also you get better benefits from Baxi and ideal available to all not just the chosen few

 

[southcoastboile]

1. Vaillant
2. Worcester
3. Viesmen/remeha
anything else In my opinion is pretty rubbish, although I haven't had much dealing with the new ideals.
vaillant is a good quality boiler easy to service, everything bar the main heat exchanger can be replaced in less than an hour. Poor customer service in comparison to others. Tech adv okay.
worcester, good when they work but parts are a pain to change, reliable boiler, prone to fans failing. Good customer service and technical advice.
viesmen I have only had breakdowns a handful of times all sludge related.
remehas excellent value for money and a good boiler although fault codes way over complicated but good tech advice.
the main thing is to make sure the installer carries out a good powerflush and fits a magnetic filter with water treatment. That way whatever you go with it will last a whole lot longer.
we use a kamco machine with magnet attachment and that works really well.

 

[LPC]

Vaillant, every time.

 

[plumben]

If im honest I think that most new boilers are good boilers as long as they've been installed and serviced well, personal preference would be Worcester or valliant if it fits the budget but even valliant have gone down hill used to be all shiny parts inside now its just bog standard, however its installers preference, my boss hates ideal, but im sure theres plenty of installers who would swear by them and install nothing els, aslong as you get someone who knows what there doing, checks the system properly flushes it (dosnt have to be power flush)

 

[happyflyer]

If im honest I think that most new boilers are good boilers as long as they've been installed and serviced well, personal preference would be Worcester or valliant if it fits the budget but even valliant have gone down hill used to be all shiny parts inside now its just bog standard, however its installers preference, my boss hates ideal, but im sure theres plenty of installers who would swear by them and install nothing els, aslong as you get someone who knows what there doing, checks the system properly flushes it (dosnt have to be power flush)

I think you are spot on Plumben...😛unk: Plumber of the year 2014 :star::star::star:

 

[billy1]

Thanks for the reply the main thing I'm looking for really is reliabilty. From the replies on the forum I can see that flushing out the system is important but would you reccomend installing a magnetic filter?

 

[nysk2008]

vaillant for me

 

[Ray Stafford]

but would you reccomend installing a magnetic filter?

I wouldnt just recommend it. I would bin any installer who didn't propose to fit one, regardless of the rest of the quote.

 

[Plumbstar Tom]

So to summarise for you, there are lots of choices and reasons to go for one and not the other and the field is very mixed. But most important is the fitter. You will have hassle if a boiler is fitted incorrectly, you call on the warranty and they give you the bad news and you now have to track this plumber down, get him to believe he as done it wrong and get him to rectify all whilst you potentially have no heating or hot water.

You will find most plumbers have there own preference of boilers as they have worked with them for years and installed many others and know what they are doing. They dont want call backs so they will recommend something they feel confident in.

Avoid the low budget boilers as even if it has a warranty it is still hassle have an engineer out every so often.

Oh and magnetic filter is a defo. In line scale inhibitor is a maybe (im still cautious of the voodoo infused product range)

 

[pipefitter]

Always insist on a magnetic filter

 

[happyflyer]

I wouldnt just recommend it. I would bin any installer who didn't propose to fit one, regardless of the rest of the quote.

Ray your a :star:, old story too much money filter another 100 quid

 

[happyflyer]

Always insist on a magnetic filter

Your a :star: too Pipe, I put one on my new boiler and flushed the system but hell still crap on the filter for about 4 weeks

 

[julesverne]

I fit filters as standard on quotes. There isn't a good reason enough not to fit one.

 

[julesverne]

If your budget will allow get an ideal vogue fitted. nice piece of kit and now comes with a ten year warranty.

 

[Ermintrude]

These posts are always gas biased. I can thoroughly recommend a grant oil combi.
My favourite is a parkray

 

[happyflyer]

I think I am going to buy a Vogue and leave it in the box just in case the Worst-er packs in, it will probably be in the winter and any time
time now accordingly to one or two members. And even if it doesn't get fitted for 2 years there will still be 8 years warranty left. Kia do only 7 yrs
on their cars.

 

[LPC]

I fit filters as standard on quotes. There isn't a good reason enough not to fit one.

The only time I don't fit one is when there is absolutely simply nowhere to fit one in, which does happen.

 

[happyflyer]

LPC there are that many configurations on a filter it would by hard to not fit one

 

[josh]

You will read all these replies and be no closer to deciding as theyll always be very mixed!

 

[billy1]

You will read all these replies and be no closer to deciding as theyll always be very mixed!

Thank you for all your replies.

I have gone with an Ideal Logic plus 7 year warranty with a system flush and a magnatec filter

 

[PowerFlusher2]

This is the sort of question you ought to ask on a woodworkers forum, or a pottery forum!

I used to manage doctors surgeries and would often attend clinical meetings along with groups of doctors from the surrounding area. Almost without exception, if a question arose, a group of 20 doctors would come up with 20 different ways to 'best' treat a medical problem, in their professional opinion.

Asking half a million gas central heating engineers which combi boiler is best to install is likely to elicit half a million different 'best' solutions.