What would you do...

Riley · Jul 15, 2014

Hi all,

just looking for thoughts really on a project.
Im not saying money is no object but customer wants to do it right.

Father in law has come into a little money and is looking at buy to rent.

What seems to be popular in our area is buying a big house and letting by the room to professional types who may only be there 4-5 days a week.

He has found a house with the potential for 8 let-able rooms and 5 shower rooms no baths, standard type kitchen large gas range.
Mains is currently very small and would be upgraded.

So to list:
5 showers to be used by a minimum 8 people at least once a day
At least 17 rads dependent on how we create "living space"

my thoughts are large system boiler with at least 2 unventeds in tandem.
due to the proximity of other properties solar is not an option.

I was just curious if anyone had any other thoughts. I'm up for making this quite experimental if the options are there.

Thanks in advance for any opinions

matt

Leo21 · Jul 15, 2014

If your renting, I'd be fitting electric showers.

Riley · Jul 15, 2014

I suppose, I was just trying to be a bit creative. :smile:

i only thought mixers as I've worked for a landlord who has 7-8 of these properties that I've worked in and he says that his tenants like it to be of a certain standard and a proper home from home. All his places I've seen are immaculately decorated and really well maintained. Again, not saying that money is no object but it's all done properly without a bodge in sight.

Leo21 · Jul 15, 2014

Riley said:
I suppose, I was just trying to be a bit creative. :smile:

i only thought mixers as I've worked for a landlord who has 7-8 of these properties that I've worked in and he says that his tenants like it to be of a certain standard and a proper home from home. All his places I've seen are immaculately decorated and really well maintained. Again, not saying that money is no object but it's all done properly without a bodge in sight.

Ah, I see. If your going for high end I get it. But if it's your usual, the landlords a millionaire and I'm going to spend some. It would be electric showers.

Riley · Jul 15, 2014

I get your thinking. As I say, nothing set in stone, just putting it out there

Ray Stafford · Jul 15, 2014

If I was renting somewhere "high end" I would expect an ensuite in my room. not sharing 5 between 8.

I agree about the leccy showers. If quality is desired, then push the boat out and have Mira Sport thermostatics. I happen to know a bloke who has a shed-load of them... 🙂

Riley · Jul 15, 2014

I wonder who that might be Ray. :smile: does anyone have any thoughts on the heating / DHW side?

Leo21 · Jul 15, 2014

Riley said:
I wonder who that might be Ray. :smile: does anyone have any thoughts on the heating / DHW side?

Yes.....

SimonG · Jul 15, 2014

Going three phase on the electrics? 5 electric showers even at 8.5kw, thats some amperage.

Im with Ray though, 8 rooms should have 8 showers.

Riley · Jul 15, 2014

Ok hypothetically if we did the same no of showers as rooms how would people address it. :smile: to be honest I'm with your way of thinking but father in law just sees pound signs for number of tenants.

SimonG · Jul 15, 2014

First thing is an upgrade to the main.

How about instantaneous gas water heaters?

System boiler on s plan with a zone for each room?

Dont get a lot of this round our way.

Riley · Jul 15, 2014

I thought zone per room. Really nice touch Simon. I'm going to write out a list of suggestions

SimonG · Jul 15, 2014

Dont forget to leave a small room free as your plant and controls room 🙂

Centralheatking · Jul 15, 2014

Hi

I have read your post carefully and you really need to be so aware of all the regulations regarding multiple occupancy buildings as they are right now. You are entering a minefield

The future is bleak for small players - like 1-5 props the new regs will wipe you out.
Insulation thermal performance proper boilers etc are all going to be essential
and quite rightly so.

Just off loaded my last rental yesterday

Centralheatking

just looking for thoughts really on a project.
Im not saying money is no object but customer wants to do it right.

Father in law has come into a little money and is looking at buy to rent.

What seems to be popular in our area is buying a big house and letting by the room to professional types who may only be there 4-5 days a week.

He has found a house with the potential for 8 let-able rooms and 5 shower rooms no baths, standard type kitchen large gas range.
Mains is currently very small and would be upgraded.

So to list:
5 showers to be used by a minimum 8 people at least once a day
At least 17 rads dependent on how we create "living space"

my thoughts are large system boiler with at least 2 unventeds in tandem.
due to the proximity of other properties solar is not an option.

I was just curious if anyone had any other thoughts. I'm up for making this quite experimental if the options are there.

Thanks in advance for any opinions

matt[/QUOTE]

kris · Jul 15, 2014

So many ways you can go about it , CHEAPEST n QUICKEST, big floor standing combi and electric showers done jobs a good one,

Or system boiler with 2 pressurised hot water tanks one on each level to spread load , and have them feeding seperate outlets, and having a mix of electric showers and mixers,

Or you could put in 2 systems one on each floor either a combi for each floor with elect showers or a system boiler and hwc on each floor BUT have them linked up But isolated so if one was to break down you simply open valves and link up so one does all just for a day or 2 till you get other one fixed, (just a thought)

kris · Jul 15, 2014

I was gona put this link up but thought youd already surely have looked into this but chking is right there are loads of multiple room lets reg, so heres a start

https://www.gov.uk/private-renting/houses-in-multiple-occupation

Riley · Jul 15, 2014

Thanks Kris I'll pass that on to FIL cheers

kris · Jul 15, 2014

Youl have to have it set up in such a way that it suits all in the property, plus certain regs in rec areas , kitchen , communial showers, fire escapes etc etc

Leo21 · Jul 15, 2014

Tbh, I'd let him tell you what he wants. Then if it all goes **** up he can't blame you.

kris · Jul 15, 2014

Ment to say riley that link i put up , down the page a bit theres another link called "shelter" youl see it link on that and it gives u loads more, cheers

gasmanrob · Jul 15, 2014

What my mate had done was build an external boiler house nothing special but at the rear of the house just upvc feather edge and timber some doors and a bit of kingspan.

2 system boilers zone per room, and 1 for the communal. 2 santon premier plus cylinders in the boiler room with secondary circulation. Then shower room in each room. It's mainly let to northerners down working the week on the power stations but it's always let

Ermintrude · Jul 15, 2014

Cwsc boosted cold and three logic 30s hooked up to two ACV sle plus 300's and zoned rads and a communal zone. But u need to insulate lots

smhstu · Jul 15, 2014

Why not fit a underfloor heating manifold, one zone per room, with stat in each room?

Ermintrude · Jul 15, 2014

Not dynamic enough, that would be my worry.

SafeGasInstall · Jul 15, 2014

I have been to few jobs , where land lord had exactly the same lay out . Up to 10 rooms and few bathrooms !
They all had a 300L unvented with large size system boiler and boiler set to heat water 1h before rush hour of showering in the morning and run up to 8am ! Then evening from 5/10pm .
they never had a complain to never had enough water !
If you do this just fit twin coil UHWC and run primary to cylinder in 28mm also , hot water distribution in 28mm