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i fancy a shot of doing a ball joint again (just to see if i can still do it) now wheres the shavehook and drift?
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But Danny, your end feed lasted 30 years before giving up the ghost. Do you seriously think that a flexi would last as long. Would you as a professional use them on a unvented cylinder?
I embrace new technology, I try it out and make my own opinion about it. Having used flexis in quite a few applications and seen some that have been installed by plumbers, and their failure rates, I just do not have confidence in them. If you and anyone else uses them and rates them highly, then that's fine, I do not have a problem with that, everyone does things to a method that they are happy with.
Still got my moleskin cloth.i fancy a shot of doing a ball joint again (just to see if i can still do it) now wheres the shavehook and drift?
System3: i know where ur all comin from, but i just dont trust fibre washers... sooo many times ive come across a copper tap connector with a broken fibre washer, or LS-X, or mastic all over it, or its been cross threaded...
a great example to use a flexi is when u have to replace an old tap with a new one and the new tap has a longer thread than the old, so you have the option of cutting the copper back and putting a new valve(which so often isnt there) on and a flexi because there isnt space to solder a copper pipe on with out burning the wall or the bath.
and often, the pipe has already been bent to suit the old so ur already struggling to find a long enough lenght of copper that you can connect to.
Still got my moleskin cloth.
I used to use a welders glove coated in flux and as I was wearing it while wiping the joint, I had better control of the solder.never used moleskin, just used folded up newspaper with a smear of flux, seemed to work ok
But Danny, your end feed lasted 30 years before giving up the ghost. Do you seriously think that a flexi would last as long. Would you as a professional use them on a unvented cylinder?
I embrace new technology, I try it out and make my own opinion about it. Having used flexis in quite a few applications and seen some that have been installed by plumbers, and their failure rates, I just do not have confidence in them. If you and anyone else uses them and rates them highly, then that's fine, I do not have a problem with that, everyone does things to a method that they are happy with.
But not the cheap imported ones that are causing the problems and are now common place. If you install a cheap imported flexi on a unvented cylinder, then you have a problem.You need to use them on some Unvented Cylinders - its the law!
A fill loop is a temporary connection and is supposed to be removed after use.What's a fill loop made from most of time
went to a job yesterday, 2 flexis on hot to shower, 2 flexis to cold on shower all leaking. I replaced and it was 1 length of pipe for each, cold had 1 bend, hot had 3 bends, connected both with an isolation valve on one end and coupling on other end, whole job took me an hour.
I was amazed at why they didnt do this in the first place.
Pipes wont ever leak. even when they get old and start to corrode. Yes they do, i regularly replace corroded leaking pipes.
Flexis are made of stainless steel aren't they? which will rust and fall apart after 5-10 years? High grade stainless won't rust but the stainless braiding is just a covering for the rubber underneath which is the weak point as thebraiding is not watertight.
then you have the ball ache of reaching under to back of bath to tighten comp fittings...not for mebath tap at the back,fit tap with 2 copper tap connectors the 2 tails down to near floor push bath back and join to supply with compression fittings
Although I will no doubt keep using flexis, I see your point, and am I right in saying they suggest you shouldn't solder any joints 3-5 inches from the flexi? like ballaffix?
A fill loop is a temporary connection and is supposed to be removed after use.
I know mate. Wonder how the two I found in my van got there? LOLBut almost never are lol
I agree with some of what you say DIY BOB. Bathrooms and kitchens do get updated and many are every 5 years. Even although they get updated, the majority of the existing water supply pipework is re-used and new connections are made to it. Copper in my opinion will be there long after the last flexi in the installation.
I don't need to or use flexis on a btw toilet. A concealed cistern can just as easliy be piped up in copper.
Pumps are connected with flexis nowadays as pumps need servicing. I'ts easier to connect/disconnect a flexi going to a pump than it is to repeatedly disturb an olive on a compression fitting. High pressure pumps need a small degree of movement in them too, so that is one advantage of where a flexi is an adavantage. However the flexis are usually very high quality ones that are tested to be used at high pressures.
My original post is about these cheapo imported flexis that are now common place. Even taps come supplied with these poor quality hoses. I know, I've seen a burst one in PTS last week.
As to plastic plumbing, much of what is being said about it is purely conjecture. We are surmising that a brand of push fit will last or fail after a certain period of time as it's not been in service long enough to validate/invalidate any manufacturers claims about the longetivity of it's service life.
I like the tried and tested approach to what I do and in my opinion, copper ticks all my boxes.
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