WC leak

[Robomonkey]

Hi all I need some help, because I'm going to pull the last of my hair out soon.

I've installed a new wc today and I've got a leak between the flexi connector and wc pan.

Should I put a bead of silicone on the rubber seal and then push it on? I thought it should work without anything?

In googling the above I also found some posts about never using fairy liquid on rubber. I used this on the flush pipe because I couldn't get it in the pan, should I replace this and just force a new one in (do you use a screwing motion?)

I just want to get this done now, but I want to do it right, please help.

 

[SimonJohns]

Was the flexi new?

 

[Ermintrude]

Always use silicone lube

 

[SimonG]

Always use silicone lube

Never had a problem with ky jelly.

 

[SimonG]

Hi all I need some help, because I'm going to pull the last of my hair out soon.

I've installed a new wc today and I've got a leak between the flexi connector and wc pan.

Should I put a bead of silicone on the rubber seal and then push it on? I thought it should work without anything?

In googling the above I also found some posts about never using fairy liquid on rubber. I used this on the flush pipe because I couldn't get it in the pan, should I replace this and just force a new one in (do you use a screwing motion?)

I just want to get this done now, but I want to do it right, please help.

I sometimes find that some of the cheaper pans have rough finishes to the soil outlet, so I smear (great word) a bit of silicone on it before pushing home the pan connector.

 

[Ermintrude]

Never had a problem with ky jelly.

Apprentice always thinks I've been fingering some one else's rse when he can smell ky and poo! Really possessive !!

 

[Robomonkey]

Hi, the connector was new from a local plumbers so I don't know what brand.

So the general consensus is to use silicone, I've got Bal Micromax Silicone Sealant which is in a gun for sealing around the bath and tiles, is that the right stuff? Or should I get a tub of something.

what about the fairy liquid? Do I use this on the flush pipe as well?

 

[Ermintrude]

Use ur silicone on both, smear it on the bits that do the sealing and give it a little rotation just to cover any missed bits.

 

[SimonJohns]

Use ur silicone on both, smear it on the bits that do the sealing and give it a little rotation just to cover any missed bits.

Yeehaw

I hope I'm not the guy working on this in the future

 

[Ermintrude]

Yeehaw

I hope I'm not the guy working on this in the future

Probs just be another DIY job. Bloke sounds desperate!

 

[Robomonkey]

Morning

Yes it is DIY, so should I use the silicone I have, what's the proper way to do it?

 

[Ermintrude]

I use silicone lube. But silicone will fix fine. Just wont be easily removed

 

[Robomonkey]

Does silicone lube make it stick and hard to get off as well, because I'm going back to the plumbers in a bit and if that's the right stuff to use ill get that, is it a spray?

ive just taken it all apart again, the flexi that goes into the stack, when I pull this out the rubber fins come off the flexi and stay in the stack is this common (I didn't use any silicone on this)?

I also noticed a lot of water standing in the flush pipe when I removed it, does this mean I had the angle wrong?

 

[SimonJohns]

Post some photos

Makes it alot easier to help

 

[Robomonkey]

Ok I've got 5 photos, ill do them in a few posts cos I'm not sure on filesizes

 

[Robomonkey]

Post 2

 

[Robomonkey]

Sorry they're all the wrong way up, not sure why this has hapened

 

[SimonJohns]

Where does the flexible part leak?

Does it sit nice and even on the outlet of the pan

 

[Robomonkey]

I'm not sure, previously I had the cistern installed in the vanity unit (now on the wall) and couldn't see, but I could feel around the flush pipe and couldn't feel any water, it could have been the flush pipe, but I don't think so.

 

[Robomonkey]

Having said that the leak did get worse over night, presumably the bottom of the pan reaches a level and can't lek anymore?

 

[SimonJohns]

Get some prof help

 

[Robomonkey]

Would love to, but can't afford it, had the boiler serviced last week that hit me for £300.

 

[Phil]

I've always got away without flexibles on cabinet based back to the walls and only found the need for them on closed back toilets with the soil in the floor.

If you must use that viva flexi then get some plumbers gold/stixall/CT-1 type modified polymer silcone and glue that pan con to the pan and leave ideally overnight and assemble before church tomorrow morning.

 

[Mickplumb]

Have you seen a flexible pan connector used urrrrr

 

[Mickplumb]

Can you chage it and use a real mcalpine conector

 

[Robomonkey]

Well, Thanks for everyones time.

I reconnected the viva fitting without the cabinet and could then see a small leak / drip at the very bottom of the connector.

So I've taken it out again and refitted it with some of the Bal silicone, it's now drying. I'll plug it back in tomorrow and and try it again, if it fails again ill order a new one.

Is Mcalpine better than Multikwik?

 

[Phil]

Both are good brands, with pan connectors it whatever fits best.

Mcalpine do a nice connector for your situation.

 

[Robomonkey]

Thanks, I did see that one at Toolstation and liked the idea of the jubilee clip.

I siliconed it on Saturday and so far its fine.

In the end I think it was the flush pipe and black grommet that was leaking, but I bought a new for that as well.

 

[Phil]

I'm not aware that Toolstation sell that connector??

 

[Koogatubac]

Robo - best advice

Get rid of that pan connector and only use McAlpine. That looks like a micky mouse flexi. I use McAlpine and 99% of the time never have a leak