Woolwich killing

[hammers4spanner]

The news channels and newspapers we have in this country are constantly trying to manipulate the way we think and tell us who and how we should judge. Whenever I read or watch the "news" I take it with a pinch of salt and cross reference several sources on the same piece of news. Most of the time I come to the conclusion that our beloved and un-controlled news outlets are a lying bunch of evil *******s.

totally agree its a very good way to brain wash a populace through media , fortunately am well travelled enough and have seen what crap goes on in the world

 

[Howsie]

yes you can its surpressed in many countries

As we're discussing the EDL and the UK then what can be done with the Internet in Mali or elsewhere in the world is irrelevant. Is your response argumentative on purpose or just swerving my response again?

 

[Howsie]

yes you can its surpressed in many countries

can you explain why you decided to post at 114 and not previous?

you also avoided my question

Can you at least phrase a question properly so that this thread doesn't end up looking like a school playground?

 

[Howsie]

 

[Gray0689]

View attachment 13334

Was thinking you'd look like that

 

[Howsie]

I'm not as pretty.

 

[hammers4spanner]

Can you at least phrase a question properly so that this thread doesn't end up looking like a school playground?

it is phrased properly your first post is at 114 regarding the edl was curious why your first post was at that point? You had obviously been reading previous posts before that but refused to make any point of comment until the edl was mentioned and since then you have clearly been finger pointing and lambasting to anyone who wishes to put a point across regardin.g the edl .
I also not you fail to condem the killers of lee rigby you slightly scouted around the issue but failed as yet to condemn it . Thus far you have also failed to even pass a remorsefull comment of note regarding lee rigby instead you persist about the edl why?
Also you have chopped and changed your view point on the media in a number of posts which i refered to,its not me that has made playground issues just asking for you to be more factual and i'm trying to gain your view point but you persist in a chop change pointy finger view point .

So as they say on dragons den 'I'm out'

 

[Leo21]

"Lambasting" how very dare you. Words it mean anyway.
As grandpa Simpson says "I'm confused"

 

[Howsie]

it is phrased properly your first post is at 114 regarding the edl was curious why your first post was at that point? You had obviously been reading previous posts before that but refused to make any point of comment until the edl was mentioned and since then you have clearly been finger pointing and lambasting to anyone who wishes to put a point across regardin.g the edl .
I also not you fail to condem the killers of lee rigby you slightly scouted around the issue but failed as yet to condemn it . Thus far you have also failed to even pass a remorsefull comment of note regarding lee rigby instead you persist about the edl why?
Also you have chopped and changed your view point on the media in a number of posts which i refered to,its not me that has made playground issues just asking for you to be more factual and i'm trying to gain your view point but you persist in a chop change pointy finger view point .

So as they say on dragons den 'I'm out'

Thank heavens. Reading that made my head hurt.

 

[PlumbersMate]

EDL "extremist organisation" LOL!!! Don't remember them bombing anyone or cutting anyone's head off

 

[Gray0689]

Thank heavens. Reading that made my head hurt.

Grow up

 

[zeebeedee]

EDL "extremist organisation" LOL!!! Don't remember them bombing anyone or cutting anyone's head off

No just setting fire to mosques.

Im honestly disgusted in any supports of the edl. I hate racism almost as much as I hate bully's, the edl for tick everyone of them boxes.

 

[zeebeedee]

EDL "extremist organisation" LOL!!! Don't remember them bombing anyone or cutting anyone's head off

Ill try again!

No just setting fire to mosques.


Im honestly disgusted in any supporters of the edl. I hate racism almost as much as I hate bully's, the edl for me tick everyone of them boxes.

 

[Howsie]

Grow up

Up yours.

 

[nicro3]

In the late 1920s early 1930s in Germany there were gangs of young men, whose rhetoric was to defend Germany from the threat of Communism and Jewish Zionism. Comparisons could be drawn with the situation here in our nation today, albeit Muslims are the perceived enemy. Look what happen as a result of that!

 

[Howsie]

Up yours.

Was supposed to have a smiley on but it was user error.

 

[Howsie]

Grow up

Really though? Can you explain what it meant, because I couldn't distil a point out of it.

 

[Gray0689]

Up yours.

That just says it all now doesn't it

 

[Keefy]

Queers protested against the EDL earlier today.

 

[Guest123]

As we're discussing the EDL and the UK then what can be done with the Internet in Mali or elsewhere in the world is irrelevant. Is your response argumentative on purpose or just swerving my response again?

If you're discussing the EDL, then you're discussing England and not discussing the UK with those fascist scum who've hijacked the death of a poor soldier to further their own cause. The EDL, UKIP and all the other racist trash are not welcome in Scotland.

That brave young man died a horrific death and it's been turned into a roadshow in the name of so called British patriotism. Him and his family deserve respect not that.

 

[Gray0689]

If you're discussing the EDL, then you're discussing England and not discussing the UK with those fascist scum who've hijacked the death of a poor soldier to further their own cause. The EDL, UKIP and all the other racist trash are not welcome in Scotland.

That brave young man died a horrific death and it's been turned into a roadshow in the name of so called British patriotism. Him and his family deserve respect not that.

Never a truer work mate
A lot seem to forget that poor soldier was butchered in the street for being a soldier nothing else edl have no place involved in it

 

[Gray0689]

Never a truer work mate
A lot seem to forget that poor soldier was butchered in the street for being a soldier nothing else edl have no place involved in it

Word even

 

[nickelarsed]

If you're discussing the EDL, then you're discussing England and not discussing the UK with those fascist scum who've hijacked the death of a poor soldier to further their own cause. The EDL, UKIP and all the other racist trash are not welcome in Scotland.

That brave young man died a horrific death and it's been turned into a roadshow in the name of so called British patriotism. Him and his family deserve respect not that.

UKIP? Racist? How do you get to that conclusion? And fascist? There is only one party in Britain that could be described as nationalist socialist and that happens to be in Scotland. Funny when their supporters were singing "burn, burn, burn the union jack", and "go home English scum", that was ok? Nothing hateful or racist about that?

 

[Howsie]

If you're discussing the EDL, then you're discussing England and not discussing the UK with those fascist scum who've hijacked the death of a poor soldier to further their own cause. The EDL, UKIP and all the other racist trash are not welcome in Scotland.

That brave young man died a horrific death and it's been turned into a roadshow in the name of so called British patriotism. Him and his family deserve respect not that.

I'm trying to discuss it but getting nowhere fast.

 

[Gray0689]

I'm trying to discuss it but getting nowhere fast.

Then just say RIP to another poor British soldier

 

[Howsie]

Then just say RIP to another poor British soldier

What are you talking about?

 

[Gray0689]

What are you talking about?

Exactly what I said

 

[zeebeedee]

Then just say RIP to another poor British soldier

I don't think anyone has ever taken anything away from that poor lads death. The discussion was never about that. I and others simply feel that turning to racist parties such as the edl is not the answer!

 

[Gray0689]

I don't think anyone has ever taken anything away from that poor lads death. The discussion was never about that. I and others simply feel that turning to racist parties such as the edl is not the answer!

Not everyone has condemned it on here but

 

[zeebeedee]

Wouldn't it be nice to create out own hunger games/battle royale. Find an island in the middle of the pacific, stick the edl bnp etc along with any extremists and let them get on with it, whilst us normal human beings get along just fine!

 

[Leo21]

Iff oy it was that simple. Ho hum

 

[Guest123]

Niclearsed, you are another tragic case of someone believing the crap from the sensationalist media. Meanwhile back in the real world, the normal media reported the true story of what happened when Farage came to Edinburgh.

There were two groups there, one from a student Scottish Nationalist group and the other was an anti-racism group from England who by the way outnumbered the student nationalists. There were no anti-English chants made, Farage made that up in his interview. What was chanted was "Farage go back to England". As for the Union Jack, it's not a popular flag here for many and there were burn comments made about it, but there was no violence of any kind. Worse was the attacks to come in England made the facists on Mosques and innocent Muslims, who have condemned the soldiers murder.

Anyway, there were only two arrests made that day, one was a Scot and the other lad was English protesting about UKIP's immigration policy. No one in the SNP, YES Scotland, Labour for Independence or any other independence group have EVER made Nazi salutes, made disgusting comments against immigrants, women and the disabled as UKIP and the EDL have done. Farage is trying to cover up his party's extremism by sacking members who've made facist comments in the not so distanced past. He has recently sacked a UKIP leader for supporting gay marriage! They are one slot above the BNP and they are not welcome here.

There is huge distinction between Nationalist and socialist. I resent that you are implying that the SNP(of which I and the majority of Scots support) and other supporters of Scottish independence are Nazis. We achieve our aims through political and democratic means, not by thuggery as those facist groups down South are displaying. The only Nazis are those thugs filled with hate in the EDL and UKIP who are hell bent on causing riots and are using the murder of a brave young soldier to further their own agendas.

I fully condemn the horrific murder of that soldier, but this was carried out by men who had turned to extremism. Meeting extremism with further extremism is not the answer and this would only cause further widespread conflict leading to the deaths of more innocent people.

Patriotism belongs at the ballot box, not through riots or thugs trying to disrupt society.

 

[Keefy]

Glad I'm Irish.

 

[Gray0689]

Glad I'm Irish.

Irish!
Thought you was a scouser

 

[Gray0689]

I was born in Scotland
Brought up in England
And now live in Northern Ireland
A real mongrel lol