Ufh problems temp control and radiators temp

[Pkitch]

So with your boiler set at max, and blending valve set at min, what temp is this gauge in the pic reading?

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My boiler is set to minimum to achieve this temperature of about 27 degrees

 

[Pkitch]

May be a silly question but why don’t you get the installer back ?

He was sub contracted by my builder and we are having trouble getting him back to look at it

 

[Aire]

My boiler is set to minimum to achieve this temperature

Yes but when the boiler is turned up, are you saying that the temp of that gauge goes above the temp set by the blending valve?

 

[Murdoch]

He was sub contracted by my builder and we are having trouble getting him back to look at it

Oh dear ..... what does your builder say about the matter ... he was the main contractor

 

[Pkitch]

Yes but when the boiler is turned up, are you saying that the temp of that gauge goes above the temp set by the blending valve?

When the boiler is set to normal 60 degrees the temp on that gauge is about 45 to 50 degrees which is or exceeds the maximum my floor can take, I should be able to run my boiler at normal settings and adjust the ufh blending valve to achieve a temperature lower than maximum, maybe I’m not getting this across clearly but for tiled screeded floors it is important to start off at a low temperature and gradually increase this which I am unable to do without turning down my settings on the boiler which in turn knocks out my radiators

 

[Pkitch]

Oh dear ... what does your builder say about the matter . he was the main contractor

He is trying his best but I have retained some money until it is resolved

 

[Murdoch]

He is trying his best but I have retained some money until it is resolved

Good man ..... the wallet always hurts .. don’t you know the name of the plumber?

 

[Pkitch]

Good man ... the wallet always hurts .. don’t you know the name of the plumber?

Yes I have his name and number but I’m leaving it up to the builder to sort out, if I have to get another engineer out then the retained money won’t be paid

 

[Aire]

The blending valve should have a range of around 35 - 65 ° so if you can't regulate the temp down then there may be an installation issue or a fault with the blending valve. Ask your contractor to contact the manufacturer of the underfloor heating to get a rep out to check the system over.

 

[Murdoch]

Yes I have his name and number but I’m leaving it up to the builder to sort out, if I have to get another engineer out then the retained money won’t be paid

A perfectly reasonable approach imho

 

[Pkitch]

The blending valve should have a range of around 35 - 65 ° so if you can't regulate the temp down then there may be an installation issue or a fault with the blending valve. Ask your contractor to contact the manufacturer of the underfloor heating to get a rep out to check the system over.

Thanks Craig finally someone gets my problem lol

 

[Aire]

Thanks Craig finally someone gets my problem lol

😉

 

[chris watkins]

problem one is we have to slowly build up the heat as the new floor is tiled but the only way to do this is by turning the boiler heating controls down as low as it goes, 30 degrees, if we have it set to 60 the temp on the flow is 45 degrees which is the maximum we can run at.

I am still at a loss what are you saying that the mixing valve is not capable of controlling the water temp in the U/F circuits as 45-50dec C when the boiler thermostat is set to provide 70 degC ?
It is the surface temp of the tiles finish which is more important than the mean water temp, as from your posted you can see the water temp can be higher although I personally would limit it to 60. Who selected the rads ? what delta T was used ? ie. what is the design system operating mean water temperature?

 

[Pkitch]

I am still at a loss what are you saying that the mixing valve is not capable of controlling the water temp in the U/F circuits as 45-50dec C when the boiler thermostat is set to provide 70 degC ?
It is the surface temp of the tiles finish which is more important than the mean water temp, as from your posted you can see the water temp can be higher although I personally would limit it to 60. Who selected the rads ? what delta T was used ? ie. what is the design system operating mean water temperature?

Chris you are asking questions that im not sure I can answer, I’m by no means an expert on ufh but my tiles cost an awful lot so I know not to thermal shock them, I can’t find another way of explaining the issue other than what I have already posted, tiled screeded floor maximum temp is 45 degrees at manifold, when ufh is switched on you must progress to this temp gradually, I can’t do this without setting my boiler to minimum which in turn knocks out my radiators, the blending valve should allow me to do this but I can’t?

 

[Sharp Point]

Blending valves and the associated thermometers attached are never accurate, I know this from lots of testing with calibrated equipment. They can be far out as much as 10 degrees. Get somebody decent in to check things over.

 

[Pkitch]

Blending valves and the associated thermometers attached are never accurate, I know this from lots of testing with calibrated equipment. They can be far out as much as 10 degrees. Get somebody decent in to check things over.

Thank you for another angle on this bogrodder, I have purchased a temperature sensor gun to test the temperature gauges and tile temperature so will get a better idea once it arrives

 

[Pkitch]

ok so my heat sensor arrived and it seems pretty accurate, the gauges on the manifold are reading true and with 30 degrees on the flow side I’m getting a tile surface temperature of between 21 and 22 degrees.
My boiler is set to minimum so radiators don’t work and the blending valve is set fully to minimum so it’s not possible to run my radiators at this point?

 

[markfxy]

cant you turn the boiler temp up and turn the flow rate down to lower the temperature to each circuit

 

[Pkitch]

cant you turn the boiler temp up and turn the flow rate down to lower the temperature to each circuit

I’m not sure on how well that would work but thanks for the idea, we have managed to get the UFH guy back and he has agreed it looks like the blending/ mixing valve that’s at fault, I’ll update when the new valve is fitted!

 

[Pkitch]

Well had the blending/mixing valve replaced and it looks like it had solved the problem, thanks for everyone’s help