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Train4Tradeskill pre attendence test.

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Hi, Is anyone else being shafted with his impossible test. This is NOT a C&G test and is just a blaitant excuse to stop you booking your practical sessions. I have failed it 3 times now. The questions have been written by a 4 year old making no sense and the multi choice questions have no relevence to the heath and safety guidance they have asked you to read through. T4TS will not say what the pass rate is and you get no feed back what so ever. So I am presuming this is a 100% pass rate, which I can safely say seems impossible. I am adament I have answered these correctly, but keep getting fails! Lots of Q's like this..

Review the following statement and select the most appropriate answer.

Statement 1. PPE must be used to provide protection to individuals

Statement 2. Most risks can be overcome in a satisfactory mannor by the use of PPE.

A. Both statements are incorrect

B. Statement 2 is correct and is a result of applying statement 1

C. Both statement are correct

D. Statement 1 incorrect and statement 2 is correct

this is just one of the stupid questions and there are another 44 similar ones.

I am going to phone them tomorrow again and have it out with them!

Anyone else who is going through the same pain please get in touch.

Cheers
 
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The answer to that one is A
reason.
PPE should be used where risks cannot be controlled in other ways
The use of ppe is a last resort after other methods have been considered.
 
They do throw them at you! C&G questions are also like this (some of them).

I asked one before about why the supply pipe is sleaved at it enters the dwelling and also how many classes of fire there are. The books tell you one answr, the tutor another and then C&G say different but it's them you need to please!

Heres another one for all you alty old plumbers, without books please, what water reserves do the water undertakes usually kep in case of emergency/failures?

Answer to follow after your responses!!!

Happy BH all.

Rocket.
 
rocketmanbkk said:
Heres another one for all you alty old plumbers, without books please, what water reserves do the water undertakes usually kep in case of emergency/failures?

Answer to follow after your responses!!!

Happy BH all.

Rocket.
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Haven't a clue what they actually have to keep but this is what happens in reality.
If the supply is off for more than 8hrs they have to supply fresh drinking water. This is usually done by providing bottled water (by the pallet load) or setting bowser's up in the street to help yourself
 
Tamz, thx for your input, the answer is they have to have 24hrs water in reserve.

Our tutor told us 48hrs and, yes you guessed it, the question came up and we all got it wrong!!!

la dee doo doa dee do ddoooo......
 
A lot of these fast track companies say that as well as passing the C&G tests, you have to also take and pass there own internal test.

They won't allow you to progress any further into the course until you pass each test. Some even charge for resits, if you fail. Their tests are supposed to be harder than the standard tests. (So you fail)?

They say that at the end you will get as well as your City & Guilds qualification, another certificate from them. Of course this isn't accepted in the industry anywhere as a qualification and in my opinion is just another way for them to take more of your money. They make this a compulsory part of the course and say there is no way out of it.

I'm guessing you've already signed the contract and handed over your money, if so good luck, your going to need it.
 
rocketmanbkk said:
Tamz, thx for your input, the answer is they have to have 24hrs water in reserve.

Our tutor told us 48hrs and, yes you guessed it, the question came up and we all got it wrong!!!

la dee doo doa dee do ddoooo......
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mever heard this, how can they ensure they have 24 hours of water on back up? surely if their were no rainfall 24 hours wont make much of a difference?
is it coincidence that water cisterns are designed to have enough water for 24 hours?
 
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I to have spent two years doing the course, passed all my C & G exams including their Health and Safety Test only to have this blatant blocking tactic of an exam thrown at me by T4TS. I have failed the computer based one four times now, only to receive a paper version that is probably IOSH or NEBOSH level. Again i've had no feedback from any of the results, haven't been told any pass rates and if you ring them they just repeat the same old line, " you must complete and pass the test before we will release dates to you". I know of another person who is a Fire Officer doing the course and he is going through exactly the same thing, christ he's got H&S certs coming out of his ears for god sake.
 
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I have just done pre assessment test and frustrated with questions and disappointed at failing as thought I had done ok. How many times did it take you to pass and have you any tips
thanks
 
kazie300 said:
I have just done pre assessment test and frustrated with questions and disappointed at failing as thought I had done ok. How many times did it take you to pass and have you any tips
thanks
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Hi All,
I am also on the plumbing course and have had no reason to doubt it up til now. I know what a previous poster means about the format being similiar to a C&G exam but this is NOT C&G exam. It has no accreditation, it does not count towards your course.
Check out the electricians forum in the same section. To date, no-one has passed either the online or written exam. I received my exam in the post on Saturday but am in the middle of fitting a bathroom so have not sat it yet.
Please please to all people on this course whether just started or nearly finished ring up and ask about these tests, you will NOT be able to book a practical until you have passed them!
 
andyplumber2009 said:
Hi All,
I am also on the plumbing course and have had no reason to doubt it up til now. I know what a previous poster means about the format being similiar to a C&G exam but this is NOT C&G exam. It has no accreditation, it does not count towards your course.
Check out the electricians forum in the same section. To date, no-one has passed either the online or written exam. I received my exam in the post on Saturday but am in the middle of fitting a bathroom so have not sat it yet.
Please please to all people on this course whether just started or nearly finished ring up and ask about these tests, you will NOT be able to book a practical until you have passed them!
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Thanks for getting back to me andy. I phoned them and they said they know exam is unfair but nothing they can do about it. When you do written one you get feedback which I suppose might help. I had holidays reserved for my practical weeks as thought would be there before end of march but now will need to use next years holidays. Very frustrating
 
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I have just passed the infernal exam & they actually send you your answers back if you have done the paper based one. So I have the answers.......:cool4:
pm me
 
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i too passed this test but on the written one, told i can now do practical 1 & 2 weeks, but can't go to my nearest centre luton because i'm doing plumbing 6189 so got to go to southampton in september or worcester in june, so i'm off to worcester. Tutors at luton a great help, sorry i won't be going there.
 
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LUCIALIA said:
I have just passed the infernal exam & they actually send you your answers back if you have done the paper based one. So I have the answers.......:cool4:
pm me
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i've just passed too, what dates did they give you, soonest i got was worcester in june.
 
Hi,
I have failed the online course 4 times and have now received the paper version (which is nothing like the online tests). You say you have the answers? Would you care to share them with me please?
LUCIALIA said:
I have just passed the infernal exam & they actually send you your answers back if you have done the paper based one. So I have the answers.......:cool4:
pm me
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dancinplumba said:
thats a bit naughty 🙂 cheating !!!!
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When I started the course there was no pre attendance test. Now I just want to get on the course proper. I don't care much for this H&S test which is not a requirement of City & Guilds. There's something fishy about this pre assessment test, even a couple of the tutors I talked to didn't know the answers to some of the questions when I spoke to them!
 
The H&S test is for your own safety. Many doing these courses have never worked in the type of environments they will be entering and come from a workplace where someone else does all the thinking for you.
Any part of the building trade needs people to have a good understanding of health and safety and the responsibilities they have not only to protect themselves but to protect those around them. There will be no one to wipe your nose in this job so you need to learn it. Cheating may kill you or someone else.
 
tamz said:
The H&S test is for your own safety. Many doing these courses have never worked in the type of environments they will be entering and come from a workplace where someone else does all the thinking for you.
Any part of the building trade needs people to have a good understanding of health and safety and the responsibilities they have not only to protect themselves but to protect those around them. There will be no one to wipe your nose in this job so you need to learn it. Cheating may kill you or someone else.
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I think you make a good point Tamz, but spare a thought for the type of knowledge that is tested in an exam. Is health and safety about lists of things to remember, or is it a way of being, which is developed as we work with others in different contexts? In addition some of these tests are like quizes on Richard and Judy.

At a site induction a couple of years ago, I refused to sign an acknowledgement for a health and safety multiple choice test that I had to sit before going on site. The test contained questions I could answer, but some of the situations I had never experienced - such as working with oil-butts and working with protective glasses on all day - never experienced these things, so how could I have 'knowledge' or 'understanding of them' (in the end I signed, because the manager said I wouldn't be allowed on site - so we have no choice in the matter).

These types of health and safety tick-box tests are about 'avoidance liability', so we need to wake up to agreements we are signing, and agreements we are allowing students to sign.
 
tamz said:
The H&S test is for your own safety. Many doing these courses have never worked in the type of environments they will be entering and come from a workplace where someone else does all the thinking for you.
Any part of the building trade needs people to have a good understanding of health and safety and the responsibilities they have not only to protect themselves but to protect those around them. There will be no one to wipe your nose in this job so you need to learn it. Cheating may kill you or someone else.
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I agree with what has been said about it being for your own safety, but unless you have actually seen/attempted this mickey mouse test then your stance towards it would probably differ greatly.
 
Hi Lucialia, I have just started a course with Tran4TradeSkills and would like to no how you got on with the modules of this course
ant help or advice I would be very greatful.:wink_smile:deco
 
My best advice would be cancel it with T4Ts & go to college,that way you'll be sure to get your monies worth & not palmed off with the rubbish they T4Ts spout!
 
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I am so angry at the train4trade skills pre-attendance test.....I have never failed a test in my life...now I have failed this test twice....this is a nonsense test that is designed for failure with multiple part questions and answers...this is farce designed to keep you out of weeks 3&4.....I am a site manager for 2-5million pound contracts and I am audited by the HSE which means I know health and safety better than most but seem unable to pass....OUTRAGE...
 
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Neither just want a new skill set!
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I have just passed written exam which was a lot of work compared with the stupid multiple choice exam. I phoned them to get dates and they wanted proof that I was paying course gave them that then phoned again and they said no dates available for Leeds at present. I have now gone onto Barclay who I took loan out with to register complaint against them and try and get my money back as fed up getting messed about. This wasn't what I signed up for
 
Plumbsy said:
Hi, Is anyone else being shafted with his impossible test. This is NOT a C&G test and is just a blaitant excuse to stop you booking your practical sessions. I have failed it 3 times now. The questions have been written by a 4 year old making no sense and the multi choice questions have no relevence to the heath and safety guidance they have asked you to read through. T4TS will not say what the pass rate is and you get no feed back what so ever. So I am presuming this is a 100% pass rate, which I can safely say seems impossible. I am adament I have answered these correctly, but keep getting fails! Lots of Q's like this..

Review the following statement and select the most appropriate answer.

Statement 1. PPE must be used to provide protection to individuals

Statement 2. Most risks can be overcome in a satisfactory mannor by the use of PPE.

A. Both statements are incorrect

B. Statement 2 is correct and is a result of applying statement 1

C. Both statement are correct

D. Statement 1 incorrect and statement 2 is correct

this is just one of the stupid questions and there are another 44 similar ones.

I am going to phone them tomorrow again and have it out with them!

Anyone else who is going through the same pain please get in touch.

Cheers
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Yessss....mee meee meeeee! Must say that I'm doing the pre attendance test AND I think its a pain. Confess! I've failed on two submissions so far and just about to do a 3rd (when content to do so after the 7th day) and annoying. Spoke to admins last week and was asking where you could purchase the book. They say that if your not successful the 4outh time it'd be a logical read and answer test.. So when I'm ready confident I'll try submitting.:waving:And what level or course are you doing??????????
 
ep I strongly agree on that one there. The multiple choice answers are like a bundle and no pass rate, ok its a plumbers thing, but I have a construction healt and safety card already. But the answers are a bit jumbled up e.g in your question here I would have selected B, but neither A or C stand to be correct because its the same thing in B&D . But "What's the most appropiate answer! IS THE ANSWER ! 1) 2) or A B C or D -----States comfusions...
 
Subjective and confusing questioning....this test is designed to be failed so that your progress to weeks 3&4 is slowed down by at least 6 WEEKS...YES 6...4 weeks of failed online test followed by another 2 weeks doing the paper test= 6.....
HAS ANYBODY PASSED THE PRE-ATTENDANCE TEST ONLINE?
Without a pass rate,result or feedback we will never pass this online test due to its complexity by design...until you get the paper copy and train4trade skills are ready to let you book...then you will find booking very difficult delaying you even further.
 
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"Prior to attending your practical sessions there are a number of pre-attendance tests that need to be taken and passed."

this health and safety test isn't the only pre-attendance test that will be added to the course, judging by the way the above quote is worded
 
40 pages of questions and written answers...only arrived yesterday...seems like 8-10 of hours work at least to fill it in about A Detached House Refurb.
eg question
Task 1
Complete a risk assessment for the following
1)extension ladder blah blah blah
2)Chasing a 2.5m vertical run blah blah
3) Drilling 50mm holes in the blah blah blah
As you can see this is just one question of 8 tasks.....heaps of work.
 
rk660 said:
40 pages of questions and written answers...only arrived yesterday...seems like 8-10 of hours work at least to fill it in about A Detached House Refurb.
eg question
Task 1
Complete a risk assessment for the following
1)extension ladder blah blah blah
2)Chasing a 2.5m vertical run blah blah
3) Drilling 50mm holes in the blah blah blah
As you can see this is just one question of 8 tasks.....heaps of work.
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Personal protective equipment.
 
Risk assessments are easy when you learn how to do them in a written version the brain dead can understand. Health and safety is all about cover your rse.
You risk assess every thing you do every day of your life without thinking. It is a natural thing. You don't want to die crossing the road so you do it safely without really thinking about it but you have subconsciously risk assessed before you do it. It is a bit harder when you do think about it and have to actually write down what you think in 1 second. Get your mind set into it and it will fall into place.
The only way they can test on health and safety is if they are looking for the main points as no 2 risk assessments will ever be the same.
To answer your questions.
1.) All your answers are here
Construction - Ladders industry health & safety
2.) Think dust (eyes and breathing), electrics (110V , breaker or cordless) hidden , buried services , supplies and whatever else you can think of.
3.) Electrics on tools again, dust, goggles, mask gloves hidden(buried) services or supplies, materials you are drilling through and any risks associated to them
etc
As you are hopefully seeing, it is all bollox. If you are not from a construction background it will be easy to fail you.
 
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Luckily I do risk assessments at work but I agree it will be easy to fail someone not in the industry...but they will have to learn as nowadays you cannot take a fart without a risk assessment on a construction site....but lets be honest how many times have you actually read one on site and done what it says.....besides it is often not practical on a real site...so common sense is the best risk assessment.
 
this paper assignment is the biggest load of rubbish i've ever come across.
 
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Good to hear, I called today to ask about the book and waiting for a call bback which weren't returnd...they must be very very busy... Jusyt wished I had the book right now, as I find readindg and reading the on-line bit is blinding me...llol.:conehead:
 
WOW fab to know I'd do anything to avoid it honestly.. really I wanna pass that so much I've not taken 3rd attempt yet and seaching WH Smith Waterstones..and no sir ee:49:
 
Risk assessments are made to reduce the risks in the workplace and to all others who work around you. Then when or if someone was to witness something that could be harmful to you or others around you would do what was told in your INDUCTION report it to IMMEDIATE SITE SUPERVISOR, who would then ORGANISE a TOOL BOX TALK that would be refreshed on the TASK or tasks in hand which were taking place and PPE. :nono:
 
i seriously thought i was getting through this crap. i've managed to get to page 35... thinking yes i am nearly through it, then they slam you with 10 links (8 are pdf's) that you have to look at to get the answers to the rest of the bs questions they have.

the thing that really frustrates me is I KNOW its a way of trying to discourage me from finish my course and i am fairly certain there will be more pointless tests on the way before i am to finish. i am sick of it.
 
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I know how you feel...been working on this paper for days and seem to be getting no where near the end.....Every answer requires so much time and research...then compose an answer in you own words etcetc....this is surely going to slow progress a lot....imagine how many times this can be marked wrong!!!!!....every time you get an answer wrong you will have to wait for the paperwork to come back to you....then correct it...... and send it back=weeks upon weeks of trial and error...Imagine the possibilities of incorrect answers if the on-line scam is anything to go by (no pass rate,no feedback)...This whole pre-attendance test may set people back as much as 8-10 weeks......SCAMMERS!
 
Hi....usually they just say no work before safety induction....use google images...however they are usually mandatory signs (blue and white)
 
spanner said:
Yessss....mee meee meeeee! Must say that I'm doing the pre attendance test AND I think its a pain. Confess! I've failed on two submissions so far and just about to do a 3rd (when content to do so after the 7th day) and annoying. Spoke to admins last week and was asking where you could purchase the book. They say that if your not successful the 4outh time it'd be a logical read and answer test.. So when I'm ready confident I'll try submitting.:waving:And what level or course are you doing??????????
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Hi all! Not been on for ages. Well after getting the paper version of the test, I found myself putting it off for ages as every time I looked at it, it wound me up! How ever I did start ploughing through it, bit by bit and eventually submitted it. I passed, with good feedback. I have now booked onto my practical at last and can finally get on my training that I do enjoy when I am there! Unfortunately it's just a case of gritting your teeth and getting on with it! As long as I get my certificates at the end of it I will be happy! Please do not think by signing up to this course you will be doing it at your pace. It is at theirs!
 
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Hi all! Not been on for ages. Well after getting the paper version of the test, I found myself putting it off for ages as every time I looked at it, it wound me up! How ever I did start ploughing through it, bit by bit and eventually submitted it. I passed, with good feedback. I have now booked onto my practical at last and can finally get on my training that I do enjoy when I am there! Unfortunately it's just a case of gritting your teeth and getting on with it! As long as I get my certificates at the end of it I will be happy! Please do not think by signing up to this course you will be doing it at your pace. It is at theirs!
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i am totally with you on the getting wound up part. i basically knocked it in week, with the great great help of one of the posters here. i sent it away on friday for mark, i am really hoping the received it today... i want to get my final 3 weeks done and wash my hands with the course
 
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Hi every1 just taking my pre attendance test not only is it impossible to pass but don't you think the time it's gives u is outrages 1hour to answer 45 questions.
 
hi i done module 35 test and sat waiting for my letter inviting me onto week 7 the letter never arrived so after several weeks i phoned and was told i had to do a preassessment test which was online which i have failed twich now. but when i did praticals on level2 the gola exams i passed all first time except lead weathering so now i am fairly p off a lot of questions have a number of posible correct answers
 
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you're not the first one to fail this "preassessment" which by general consensus is nothing more than a mechanism to prevent you from proceeding at a faster pace than that which t4ts wants you to proceed at. welcome to the forums by the way.
 
Statement 1. PPE must be used to provide protection to individuals

false, must be provided, there is no rule to wear it.

Statement 2. Most risks can be overcome in a satisfactory mannor by the use of PPE.

False, Most risk can be overcome by spending time considering the risk, PPE is one of many prevention methods
 
Heya,

Also got stuck with this test -
1. it is impossible to get 100% but that is what 'seems' to be required
2. once you have failed online 4 times they will phone you to 'chat' about the difficulty you are having with the H+S test, on the back of this they will then send you a paperbased assignment
3. the assignment is in the region of 22pgs. long and requires 100% for a pass - in trying to do my H+S assessment I have about 20 Health and Safety Executive documents open on the computer at any 1 time, trying in vain to achieve 100% -

This is definitely just a blocking tactic.......my advice is to fail the online exams as quickly as possible and get onto the mammoth task of the paper based assignment as there must be an end somewhere, but using up time trying too hard to pass and online test that is impassable just eats up extra time - fail 4 times as quickly as possible and move on.......
 
Why bother wasting your money.
There seems to be very little work for qualified and experienced tradesmen so exactly what is the attraction to join the plumbing industry?
 
I've just took my pre attendance test for the 3rd time and finally passed!!!! Glad I won't have to do the stupid test again
 
bloody hell, just done it for the 3rd time and....passed! I was beginning to think it was impossible
 
i have a theory! maybe they who set the test have been reading this thread and have decided to let more peeps pass to get a good reputation? only a theory but who knows.
 
steveb said:
i have a theory! maybe they who set the test have been reading this thread and have decided to let more peeps pass to get a good reputation? only a theory but who knows.
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i know for a fact people are t4ts visit this forum
 
Hi everyone just failed my pre attendance test on my first attempt. A little bit surprised as I am a fireman and have been sent on more health and safety courses than I can remember. I am going to phone them tomorrow and try and find out the pass rate let you all know how I get on. Presumably our results are stored somewhere on their computer system and we have a right to see any information stored about us. Just a thought.
 
Can anybody help me out with this unfair pre attendance test? I passed the Health and Safety C and G test in the centre, then I was sent this, this is just slowing me down, pm me please
 
steveb said:
that is the general idea i believe
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Phoned my tutor this morning and was told that due to change of policy I would not have to wait seven days to redo test. Just logged on to redo it and computer will not allow retake of test within seven days!!!!
Will phone tutor again tomorrow and post how I get on.
 
Chrissy1966 said:
Tutor lied.
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All of us should work together, that way we can complete the paper pre attendance quicker and start moving this course forward, rather than waiting longer and having the course expired and then having to pay for extending it, just saying.
 
vevo said:
All of us should work together, that way we can complete the paper pre attendance quicker and start moving this course forward, rather than waiting longer and having the course expired and then having to pay for extending it, just saying.
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Sounds good to me. Just phoned there loan dept and told them I wouldn't make any more payments until I passed this part, went down really well got the usual threats of hanging,electric chair etc.
 
i had the same problems with them when it came to this exam, i got the same answers as all you guys, i just passed the written version so will be on the blower to them tom to get some dates to do weeks three and four. i also think this is a delay tactic so you dont finish the course until you have paid all your fees
 
i failed the online version twice on my own and twice with my h+s manager sitting beside me and he said himself it was an exam that was impposible to pass
 
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hi all ive just done the test for the third time and passed it hope this helps
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Congratulations Well done jam 1979...well thats the both of us..Fortunately I'd passed on the 4ourth. Now its time for practical. What's your course? Is it the 6129 Level 2.
Feeling relieved,as all the knowledge and reading has been really brill, and looking forward to stepping up to do level 3...

Can't wait
 
been on the blower today to book weeks three and four and surprise surprise i have to send them a statement of proof that i have payed up to date, another delay tactic i think
 
richardtheplumb said:
been on the blower today to book weeks three and four and surprise surprise i have to send them a statement of proof that i have payed up to date, another delay tactic i think
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Completed your weeks 1 and 2 these were in your first certification!! Correct.. Me too, well I've booked mine for the September months, as this time all the kids are BACK TO SCHOOL:75:
 
where are you going to do weeks 3 and four, i was hoping to go in september but taken on some work so hoping to go in october
 
richardtheplumb said:
where are you going to do weeks 3 and four, i was hoping to go in september but taken on some work so hoping to go in october
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Going to LUTON.. But in the meantime I'm still doing lots of reading for level 3 and so relieved of passing H&S test.. phew. I've heard there are other centres. Where are you based at??
 
vevo said:
Can anybody help me out with this unfair pre attendance test? I passed the Health and Safety C and G test in the centre, then I was sent this, this is just slowing me down, pm me please
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How is the pre test going?? If there are any questions you're not sure about ask in the Forum and good luck pal..!:christmastree1:
 
im based in neath south wales, i went to leeds for my first 2 weeks and not really concerned where i go for my next two as long as i can get dates sooner rather than later, there are quite a few centres littered all over the country but luton was never offered to me
 
richardtheplumb said:
im based in neath south wales, i went to leeds for my first 2 weeks and not really concerned where i go for my next two as long as i can get dates sooner rather than later, there are quite a few centres littered all over the country but luton was never offered to me
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Ok I'm based in North London, but me fingers crossed that it aint going to be a lonnng daily travel duration for me either..
But hopefully be ready a place for me in September in LUTON...
 
wherever i go it will be a stay away from home for me but im used to it i was a long distance lorry driver for 20 years so its nothing new for me
 

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