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Gerard17
Really? None, though I haven't fully pressurised the new one yet as the mains pressure is pants and I'm installing a booster setup next week. I solder all day most days, 99% of the time I can tell if a joint doesn't take when I'm soldering it.
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TBServices
Are you just out to troll everything? You're a pain in the bum.
Top work Tony, love to see bends in the right place on a full length of pipe instead of sockets everywhere.
How do you know where to bend when there's multiple bends on a full length? I got lost after more than 2 tbh. You must be on a good wage mate
Honestly mate I don't know, I just learnt, my bends are all by eye. Never even went to college so the tape measure rarely comes out for em. Experience beats all!
And for my wage, its acceptable, could be a lot better but my boss looks after me, has kept me in full time work for 11 years which I know isn't easy to do in the current climate so I respect him for that.
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dave1
I know I've said it already but quality work there. You should be proud of it mate.
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tackleburger
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Rickster123
Obviously thought about it a lot, but I'm happy where I am at the moment. Guaranteed wage. And work with some pretty cool guys, I'm the oldest engineer on the firm at 27 hahah custards do tend to wobble abit when they first answer the door.
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Gerard17
Yeah I now that feeling when I do quotes sometimes people ask how old I am, and Its kind of annoying, as I no ill do a better job then most. Have lost a few jobs over it aswell.
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TBServices
I guess I am, but only in that I'm a self employed plumber who wants to do a good job for my customers and leave a positive lasting impression. If you think that's a bad thing, more fool you. In any other respect, no I'm not a jobsworth, tbh I'm not even sure how that accusation/insult came about.
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TomLane
Takes too much care & attention to detail than is overly necessary! Well that's my interpretation, not sure if others agree. Sometimes I don't find this a problem! Rather do a good job than a rush job!
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TBServices
It's hard to explain Stan.
To me, it's someone who takes too much pride in insignificant/menial jobs to make themselves feel better about their crappy existence. For instance, the guys who won't let you in the tip without a badge, just for the sake of being an arse.
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TBServices
Haha, not sure about that pal. I have a mate with OCD, he's a right nightmare sometimes, but he's not annoying on purpose.
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sam51
jesus, only posted a picture of a cylinder install.
nearly 3000 views, (nosey buggers)and 130 replies,everybody has there 15mins of fame.lol.
bet he never bothered.
nearly 3000 views, (nosey buggers)and 130 replies,everybody has there 15mins of fame.lol.
bet he never bothered.
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Gerard17
That is a good example, another 1, a customer of mine just moved into new house and I did some work there I then found a leak on a old boiler he said he has just took out boiler cover as he new the boiler was old...good idea, he rings b.g and the engineer comes out the next day an says the boiler isn't right, a few little not to current standrd things although the boiler is 17 years old. Then he realises he has just took the contract up an says he is not going to change the part as he new he was trying to take them for a fool, which he wasn't. It's not like the b.g engineer was paying for the part or effecting his profit/wages in the end the engineer was nasty and trying to sell a new boiler so the customer literally threw him out, and complained to which he has had the part done now and some discount. That is a jobs worth
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vern
No you did not Tony LOL, also it is good practice for combi inlet valve to be above the bubble, heat team will crib if they ever go UW......
Nice work though pal....
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vern
If any thing goes wrong with the expansion valve or prv Stan, the whole cylinder has to be drained or more or less to the level of the valve you can see on the wall, if it is above the bubble (megaflo has internal expansion air gap so known as bubble top as are Oso cylinders, they dont require an external expansion vessel) no draining is required or very little
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vern
Like this one i bashed in a nursing home, note coil AAV and DOC, also DOC on cold mains....combi vlave nice and high, you can just see secondary return on far left too :wink_smile:
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TBServices
Nice work! when you gonna take me on some of these jobs eh? lol
Did you have to move those Miele washers vern? Jesus they weigh a ton lol. Had to plumb a few of those in my time.
Did you have to move those Miele washers vern? Jesus they weigh a ton lol. Had to plumb a few of those in my time.
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Rickster123
Good install , I understand now what you mean about the combi valve high , I could not see combi valve on Tonys . I have never had problem draining Megaflow from full to dry no more then 10 min as all comes out under this huge pressure unlike the open vent one where the doc never works or if they do cylinder will be full of lime scale
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vern
Yep half inch lol, so the pipe would go into the low loss header, thing is Tom they were bolted to a steel jig, which was then rawlbolted to the floor, theres another boiler above that washer to the right, not my best work but we had limited time as we closed the home to remove a leaking ACV delta combi 55KW with package burner on the front.
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vern
I agree pal, i will slap our subbie, to be fair the wires are cylinder stat and twin immersions as back up, this went all the way back to a 3 phase board, we were pushed for time and were all on top of one another, not good, but fun all the same.....
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vern
Had one this week Stan open vent cylinder DOC stuck solid, not the easiset postion to syphon either
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TBServices
Yeah I've seen a few like that, nightmare to fit wastes cos they're not pumped, which is why they're often raised. Even worse when they block up. I bought a Miele for my house after seeing those commercials in care homes lol. Even my little domestic one is mega heavy.
I use my wet vac and then stick 1m of 15mm in and attach house to it and suck it baby ........ Hate them OV cylinders but most of the time I drain one is when it goes in my van so ........ Can not complain much but its a lot easy to drain the one that has 3 bar pressure inside
They better be Tom , for what they cost you can get : washing mashine+ dishwasher + small fridge for your beer
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vern
The pressure reducing valve is fitted as in came into the room, saved me running another 22 fo balanced cold. I will start making note of the AAV vern.... I PROMISE 😉 as for the draincock I fit the one supplied, may not be able to see it in the pic.
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vern
did you fit nrv by the combi valve is required if it aint next to cylinder .....not having a bad vibe from me Tony just asking mate
why would you suggest AAV on the flow of the coil ? I use manual air vents on flow and return to UHWC coil
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vern
Always do Stan on big systems, as megaflos are coil in coil, when they airlock they lock even on sealed systems, then turn off cap when vented and commissioned
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TBServices
I'm acquainted with the service guy for Miele north so I got a washer/dryer for £450. BARGAIN.
I don't think all of them are pump less vern, can usually tell by connections on back, many have 2-3" gravity wastes, these ones usually have a sluice program to get rid of blood/**** etc.
make sense vern , I have never worked on a huge houses of systems more then about 20 radiators and 1 cylinder .
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vern
Yep on 2" wastes pal, will have to remember you know the rep lol
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vern
TBH Stan that was only a 30 rad system...but the bigger ones with more rads and multi zones and pumps are a pain without AAV's, as you are filling and purging, other zones drag in more air, so i just let the AAV's do the job then shut them off, i always ensure they are on the positive side of the pump too, they can drag air in if not!
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Gerard17
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Gerard17
Would love to do something like that I only do, small stuff never needed to use 1, although a m8 of mine says he used to make them himself? Don't no how easy that would be. I will post a picture of a little conversion am doing tomorrow little bit of a pipe run to do so wil take a few pics
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vern
You can really nothing too them really, loads of design tips on net......yep get the pics up
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tackleburger
Nice tidy job. Isn't it great when you have the space to work in so you can plan it properly. re the airvent i think you'll be fine just having one on the boiler. Given the position relative to the boiler different if the cylinder was above the boiler though.
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lambchop
I like your work mate, and you have passion (ohh err) for it which is always good and rightly should be proud of your work. We can all pick on somebodys work if we look hard enough. If I was doing your install on a price I would use a few more solder fittings as time is money, but day work that should be the standard for a good time served plumber (which obviously you are) working at a reasonable pace, so nice one :yes:
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virgil
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TBServices
Doesn't really matter IMO but most MI's I've seen state valve at bottom.
I loves my pottertons mate, suprima has to be my least favourite mind. The boiler was reused hence the vessel, external pump etc. so didn't have much choice.
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vern
Welcome Virgil......more pipe protection than anything, it's a working laundry room and small at that, lots of laundry baskets in an out
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DirksPlumbing
Kind of confusing having the vessel instructions telling you schrader up and the fitting instructions for the kit telling you schrader down.
Depends on your likes, Schrader down leads to a much higher failure rate in my experience.
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DirksPlumbing
Question to whn1: why 22mm HW pipe? 15mm gets the hot water much quicker to the taps. And loosing a few hundred millibar at 3bar standing pressure will not kill you.
But otherwise its just looking bonny.
But otherwise its just looking bonny.
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TBServices
Best thing about UV is the can size pipes properly. 22 for bath, 15 for showers and 10 for basins. Can save a lot in wasted heat and water.
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DirksPlumbing
At 37l/min HW you are still below 2m/s. That gives you around 56l/min mixed water. At an appliance that is designed not to give off more than 36l/min HW at 1bar. So you can loose 2+ bar in your pipes. Which gives you an equivalent pipe length of over 100m. If you would use that pipe length then a quarter of you 120l cylinder gets used just to fill the pipes.
From a 15mm pipe you still get 20l/min at an equivalent of 40m.
(Hot water, not mixed water)
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DirksPlumbing
If you avoid stopcocks in the HW pipe you could even go to 5m/s which provides you with 40l/min. draw offs apparently share what is there. At 20l/min you can have 3 showers going at the same time or 1 shower and one filling the bath at the same speed as with an 35kW combi on its own. You just need to watch your hydraulics a bit for not preferring the bath to much as it could rob the other appliances.
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DirksPlumbing
With hydraulics I meant the way the pipe runs. Like having a long run to the bath and the shower mixer (hot) close to the bath of the branch could lead to an unpleasant pressure drop if someone starts filling the bath whilst an other one uses the shower.
Or the less likely event that your mains only supplies a low pressure and/ or low flow rate.
Or the less likely event that your mains only supplies a low pressure and/ or low flow rate.
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DirksPlumbing
Should have added as well, without carefully deburring the pipe you would not get a very happy customer if you design the pipework for 5m/s flow speed.
@whn1: not a problem.
@SafeGasInstall: Not necessarily. But it could indeed be of advance to have individual supplies for every bath room. May well save you the effort of a secondary return. Just depending on the situation.
Quite unlikely someone would use the shower at the same time as another one runs the bath in the same bathroom if there is more than one bathroom for example. Unless it is a huge family squeezed in a tiny bungalow.
You do not need to size pipes for the one in a million case that all appliances in the household are getting used simultaneously.
@whn1: not a problem.
@SafeGasInstall: Not necessarily. But it could indeed be of advance to have individual supplies for every bath room. May well save you the effort of a secondary return. Just depending on the situation.
Quite unlikely someone would use the shower at the same time as another one runs the bath in the same bathroom if there is more than one bathroom for example. Unless it is a huge family squeezed in a tiny bungalow.
You do not need to size pipes for the one in a million case that all appliances in the household are getting used simultaneously.
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DirksPlumbing
Not saying that you are wrong. Just saying it is worth to consider if you can safe the material and the customers time and energy just by such a simple trick as downsizing the pipe.
Hahah, it's been a long day, I'm trying to watch football and now because of dirk I've I've got flow rates and litres per minute running through my head. Thanks dirk 😉
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Dotty
Gray's back in da house!
Speaking of which, how's it going?
Was in Omagh DVTA t'other week, head and choulders in their biomass.
Speaking of which, how's it going?
Was in Omagh DVTA t'other week, head and choulders in their biomass.
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