The Green Deal

[JAH HEATING]

Just reading a bit about it in the monthly mag, I have an old 1920s house that has an old myson Apollo and gravity hot water...

no insulation, or double glazing with me being a landlord if I got an assessor out.... Would the works sThat got carried on, simply go onto the tenants fuel bill ?

I'm going to otherwise get the system changed by myself an pay for the windows to be done

 

[tomplumbuk]

I'm afraid I think its the landlord that gets to pay unfortunately according to this guide - Green Deal For Tenants

'The Green Deal scheme involves the homeowner, in this case your landlord, taking out a loan to fund the improvements needed to bring the property up to the required energy efficient standard.'

 

[Mike Jackson]

Read the next line.

 

[tomplumbuk]

is it not still the landlords debt to pay though whether absorbed through bills over 25 years or not?

 

[CES]

The charge will be paid by the tenant if occupied, if the property is vacant the Landlord foots the bill until the property is let again.

 

[poorman]

How I read it, the cost, bill, is paid through your electricity bill, so if the landlord doesn't use any electricity does he still have to fork out?

 

[CES]

The landlord will still have a standing charge on the meter to pay for the green deal.

 

[eaton]

It's all abit vague this but easy way to look is tenant pays for it on their bills, if they move out ll pays until new tenant in.

 

[tamz]

L/lords can get it done for free through ECO (affordable warmth). Another scheme to kick the small guy in the nuts.

 

[diamondgas]

I do work for a letting agent with loads of old appliances and the type of tenants that'll qualify for ECO ... They're getting all their properties checked out free to see if they qualify for replacement!

Does anyone out there know who gets to do the installs? that is can anyone get the work or do you have to register somewhere or other?

 

[CES]

Youll have to register as an installer and conform to PAS2030 , oh and pay another fee for the pleasure of working.. Im glad Im out of this game now, they wont be happy until the small guy doesnt exist imo.

 

[diamondgas]

Cheers CES ... I thought I'd heard somewhere that you need to pay to be accredited or sub for a credited company for a pittence!!! Looks like my repairs income will be hit too if they get rid of all the old boilers and install 7-10yrs warranty boilers........!!! It sounds like things are going to get a bit harder for anyone wanting to set up or even continue to work as a one man band..!

 

[Kev the gas]

Cheers CES ... I thought I'd heard somewhere that you need to pay to be accredited or sub for a credited company for a pittence!!! Looks like my repairs income will be hit too if they get rid of all the old boilers and install 7-10yrs warranty boilers........!!! It sounds like things are going to get a bit harder for anyone wanting to set up or even continue to work as a one man band..!

Diamondgas,

^^^^ exactly the conversation I had with the Worcester rep on Monday, without sounding too doom and gloom we have a few changes coming in the industry.

So far manufacturers do not seem to be interested in the rest of the central heating system, hopefully this will provide a small amount of work for the future!!

 

[Howsie]

I'm afraid I think its the landlord that gets to pay unfortunately

Quite rightly IMO.

 

[diamondgas]

Diamondgas,

^^^^ exactly the conversation I had with the Worcester rep on Monday, without sounding too doom and gloom we have a few changes coming in the industry.

So far manufacturers do not seem to be interested in the rest of the central heating system, hopefully this will provide a small amount of work for the future!!

It's certainly good news for landlords/tenants and the others able to request a replacement. Who's doing the work though? You can't just 'magic' installers from thin air? I'm guessing this'll push installers to 'lower' their standards and pricing to get at least some work in? With a bit of luck the demand will outweigh these companies workforce and private guys will get the overspill?

Does anyone know how much the accreditation costs? Not that I'm after it as I do maintenance and repair with only the odd one or two installs here and there 🙂

 

[tamz]

Who's doing the work though? You can't just 'magic' installers from thin air? I'm guessing this'll push installers to 'lower' their standards and pricing to get at least some work in? With a bit of luck the demand will outweigh these companies workforce and private guys will get the overspill?

Every big company and their dog is doing it Steve, even BandQ. It is a free for all for the big boys. The only over spill we will get is if we are daft enough to work for these bandits.
Take a look on any job search site. There are hundreds of ads recruiting installers all over the country but the money is as bad as £120 a swap as a subbie. Some of them are even dumping all the responsibility on the installer (idiot) by making them buy the boilers they fit off them. You can imagine the quality of the work that will be done.
I know a guy who worked on it for less than 1/2 a day then walked off the job. Job badly surveyed, he'd to go pick up the shortages etc etc. After a half hour on the phone trying to get an order number he picked up his tools and left the customer with no boiler fitted.

This will be worse than the warmfront fiasco and it will have a very bad impact on all the small guys.

 

[dancinplumba]

Looking forward to picking up the pieces 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

 

[kay-jay]

Its not all doom and gloom.

Manufacturers are starting to get involved. We just sent some stuff off to glowworm

Basically they provide you with 1500 to fit a gw boiler which is free for the customer.

Much better deal than doing it as a 120 a day subby. Customer can choose an installer. Better standard all round and everyone is much happier than they would be otherwise🙂

 

[hammers4spanner]

whats the deal with glow worm i am club energy installer quite often get emails regerding training etc etc

 

[kay-jay]

Register details with them and you can provide custards with a free boiler providing they meet the affordable warmth criteria. They give you 1500 minus whatever boiler and controls you buy. They deal with the grant side of things.
The remainder is for pipe and sundries and your fee is what's left.
That's my understanding anyway.

It will help the little guys stay afloat and its in the interest of the manufacturers to do this also as The 'firms' rinsing the eco schemes will favour a particular cheap shiddy boiler like the eaga/isar combination🙄

So manufacturers if they want to jeep selling boilers need to make sure the independents keep going and can provide a choice. Undertaking the grant thing in an installer behalf is one such way and imo if all manufacturers follow suit it will be the 'thrown at the wall by monkeys, firms that will suffer

 

[diamondgas]

That'll sound reassuring for the smaller businesses kay-jay, thanks for that 🙂 Do you know if you have to have any registration behind you, jump through any hoops, to be accepted by glowworm and those behind ECO?

 

[diamondgas]

Every big company and their dog is doing it Steve, even BandQ. It is a free for all for the big boys......

This will be worse than the warmfront fiasco and it will have a very bad impact on all the small guys.

I went to help out a guy doing his first 'green deal' and it was as you said, responsibility dumped on him, poor surveying and an intimidating 'jumped up' representative trying to crack the whip! He did the one and only then told them where to shove it! He's still awaiting payment.........!

They're taking advantage of those in need of work IMO.... Probably fleecing a load of profit into their own pockets at the same time? :32::32::furious3:

 

[CES]

That's exactly whats happening, lots of these "jobs" are being passed through an array of middlemen who claim to be "green experts" until they reach the installer who has to install, commission and deal with any remedials all for whats left in the pot, which usually is the square root of feck all. I wouldn't bother to be honest as IMO we are nearing the end of the helterskelter that was our industry. But then again its easy for me to say that as I'm out of it now.
An arrangement like Kayjays is probably the best route to take, given the circumstances at the moment.

 

[hammers4spanner]

Found this out today after a bit of snooping about , apparently 10% of manufacturers sales can go to the little one man bands under a grant how it works not to sure other than for starters you need to be an approved installer of manufacturers boiler.

gonna nose into it more tmoz

 

[aligorgon]

i signed up through a middle man Loft & Cavity Wall InsulationCentral Heating & BoilersGreen Deal AdviceAll of your energy needs! - Greener energy efficiency measures available under ECO and Green Deal funding. you can use thier pas regisgration. u just need gas safe reg and pl. you get 275 for a terrace 300 for asemi.
i worked out about 90 for mats and fuel. any revisits are downto you. and majority of jobs i ase
sessed were for ethnic minorities out for a imagined freebie. i coul foresee all kinds of problems with custs eg radiator that hasnt worked for 20 yrs becomes your problem.

i was about to do 1st job and was getti ng messed around and *£¥/ed them off