Baxi 80 Eco - nightmare !!

[JAH HEATING]

Brief description of job : on demand boiler fires up, ignition continues to spark for 8 seconds once burner is lift. Burner stays on for no longer than a minute tops, just drops out no reset light on or anything.

changed flame rect probe an lead an ignition probe, same dance (couldn't get a spark lead).

had checked polarity at board, gas wp at valve an resistance top 2 1.6 - good, bottom 2.8 good.

fitted new board, same dance but noticed that lead began to short out everywhere on burner etc...

went out an got one of similar boiler, the same problem baxi said get a new one, rectification ain't happening..

went miles out me way, come back an now all the boiler is doing is pump running an proving switch making..

no continuity at aps, fan resticance 40 which is ok..

going back tomorrow with an aps tomorrow an hoping to good it works !! Lost a day on this more or less...

im thinking I could even have a dodgy pcb, it has put years on me this one

 

[Dotty]

Moved to GSR private forum

 

[Ermintrude]

Earth on burner..... Check all the way back to the earth into spur.

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

does it need resetting? normally if the leads shorting out the rubber boots shagged that the lead passes through on the combustion box had a few like this ,as em pointed out though some parts work on a earth return so check the continuity of the eartns everywhere

 

[JAH HEATING]

does it need resetting? normally if the leads shorting out the rubber boots shagged that the lead passes through on the combustion box had a few like this ,as em pointed out though some parts work on a earth return so check the continuity of the eartns everywhere

It was firing up no problem, then I noticed sparks across the burner an ign electrode so then when out to find an ignition lead.

came back an all I had was just pump running ? No fan or any ignition then ??

so best checking everywhere that there isn't a loose earth anywhere ?

thanks for the advice guys

 

[JAH HEATING]

Put the aps in an it's doing the exact same thing !!!

fires up, ignition continues at burner, sparking up an down the electrode, stops after about 8 seconds an then the burner stays on for between 5sec an less than a min

Could a dodgy earth be causing all of this ?

 

[Ermintrude]

Put the aps in an it's doing the exact same thing !!!

fires up, ignition continues at burner, sparking up an down the electrode, stops after about 8 seconds an then the burner stays on for between 5sec an less than a min

Could a dodgy earth be causing all of this ?

Yep. Rectification uses earth on way back? If case has a negative pd then ur pooped also if earth is up a few volts then can also be a prob. Not in a steel frame building are u? Stick your volt stick on gas meter, if it goes red u got juice on the earth.

 

[JAH HEATING]

Yep. Rectification uses earth on way back? If case has a negative pd then ur pooped also if earth is up a few volts then can also be a prob. Not in a steel frame building are u? Stick your volt stick on gas meter, if it goes red u got juice on the earth.

You learn something new everyday, cheers.

no mate, just normal brick mortar house..

if there is a problem with the earth, why is this just happening now ? One of them things, that's just occurred - problem with the earth ??

as I said, got new probes, new leads, new boards an am getting nowhere 🙁 it's really grating on me to be honest

 

[JAH HEATING]

Yep. Rectification uses earth on way back? If case has a negative pd then ur pooped also if earth is up a few volts then can also be a prob. Not in a steel frame building are u? Stick your volt stick on gas meter, if it goes red u got juice on the earth.

Testing for polarity, isn't going to pick having juice on the earth ??

 

[Ermintrude]

Could be loose wire could be some ones given flex a tug! Might be on the ring in house, new socket or something.

 

[JAH HEATING]

Cheers Erm, you've given me hope !!

I have convinced myself its a dodgy board ?? But, a dodgy board wouldn't have the ignition sparking on the burner, the electrode an the bottom cover of the burner would it ?

 

[Ermintrude]

Sparking all over ? Check insulation on spark leads and electrodes also!

 

[JAH HEATING]

Sparking all over ? Check insulation on spark leads and electrodes also!

The ignition probe (new) it seems to spark on the tip of it onto the burner an at the bottom, were the screw attaches an holds it in place.

as I said both electrodes an leads have been changed, this is what's puzzling me.

Im getting ignition still at the burner for upto 8 seconds once lit, then it stops an burner remains on an then drops out, not rectifying ??

 

[Ermintrude]

Not rectifying ! But something wrong with sparks at base of electrode, do u get a spark at the rectification electrode as well? If u do it suggests that there is a bonding issue . As sparking back to rectification suggest that not earth as its going back through board and jumping back to earth on other side of rectification Wheatstone bridge thingy.

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

i did say to check the boots

 

[JAH HEATING]

Not rectifying ! But something wrong with sparks at base of electrode, do u get a spark at the rectification electrode as well? If u do it suggests that there is a bonding issue . As sparking back to rectification suggest that not earth as its going back through board and jumping back to earth on other side of rectification Wheatstone bridge thingy.

the only spark am getting is on the ignition electrode, underneath it, on the burner (mainly).. Nothing on the right side probe, the flame rect..

the only thing that isn't new around that area are the red grommets that go over the electrode, they look ok an the spark generator

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

the only spark am getting is on the ignition electrode, underneath it, on the burner (mainly).. Nothing on the right side probe, the flame rect..

the only thing that isn't new around that area are the red grommets that go over the electrode, they look ok an the spark generator

the red gromits ARE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT​ they cause this exact same issue

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

your probably miles from me but i have some on the landy

 

[JAH HEATING]

i did say to check the boots

🙁 you did !!!

you would think they would supply them with the electrode ??

How about using insulation tape as a temp ?

Im going to pop back tomorrow ...

gasman, the ones you've come across have they looked in bad condition ?

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

🙁 you did !!!

you would think they would supply them with the electrode ??
they dont tight *******s
How about using insulation tape as a temp ?
yes or a bit of u gauge hose
Im going to pop back tomorrow ...
lucky you
gasman, the ones you've come across have they looked in bad condition ?

no
but changing them cured the problem

 

[JAH HEATING]

your probably miles from me but i have some on the landy

no
but changing them cured the problem

Nice one, ill try that tomorrow with tape / hose will also check the meter with the volt stick..

if that fails, i give effing up

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

this price is a **** take you should get them cheaper Baxi Combi Instant 80E 80HE 105E & 105HE Electrode Insulation Boot 248038 | eBay

 

[JAH HEATING]

this price is a **** take you should get them cheaper Baxi Combi Instant 80E 80HE 105E & 105HE Electrode Insulation Boot 248038 | eBay

Cheers gas man !!!

roll on tomorrow morning, if I get this sorted tomorrow then Monday becomes a bit more bearable...

Baxi didn't once pick up on this by the way, their words they was puzzled

 

[JAH HEATING]

Doing my head in this now!

put volt stick on meter, didn't go red.

put manometer tube over leads going into electrode, still doing the same ? It stayed on longer but then dropped out !!

the only ignition am getting is on the left, it continues for upto 8 seconds once lit, nothi g at all on rectification side, no spark.

ive checked the new leads for continuity, fine.

i checked all earths on boiler likewise, their fine.

ive took burner out an put compressed air into injectors, what the effing hell is up with it !!

 

[lame plumber]

time for a new boiler, how many excuses do you need 🙂 BG would have one installed by now 🙂

 

[Ermintrude]

Was rectification probe in flame and 4.5mm off burner? If u put multi meter on to continuity was there any between rectification electrode and burner? Try using old electrode attached to new lead but hold it in place using insulated pliers? Think u could be on a loosing streak! As above possibly new boiler? Did u check and clean terminals on pcb?

 

[JAH HEATING]

Was rectification probe in flame and 4.5mm off burner? If u put multi meter on to continuity was there any between rectification electrode and burner? Try using old electrode attached to new lead but hold it in place using insulated pliers? Think u could be on a loosing streak! As above possibly new boiler? Did u check and clean terminals on pcb?

They are going to get a free one so am fu?kd.

i could fit a pound underneath the electrode, clean an check terminals? I just put the new one in ?

 

[Ermintrude]

Terminals at pcb

 

[JAH HEATING]

Terminals at pcb

They all ok, I'm thinking of just getting tham out but that's costing me £200 in just parts ive fitted

 

[Ermintrude]

U want a pcb ? Got one removed a working 80 today! What parts u fitted. Have you called Baxi technical they can help . 01926 411864 its the sales team.... Ask to be out through to tech. Lot cheaper than 0845!!

 

[JAH HEATING]

U want a pcb ? Got one removed a working 80 today! What parts u fitted. Have you called Baxi technical they can help . 01926 411864 its the sales team.... Ask to be out through to tech. Lot cheaper than 0845!!

Yeah been ringing that one, they can't explain it... They are going out, I give up. Stuck with a board now

 

[Ermintrude]

Gutted. Pcb will fit 105? And alpha 240 I think? Two reliable boilers who's fan relays never burn out.

 

[JAH HEATING]

Gutted. Pcb will fit 105? And alpha 240 I think? Two reliable boilers who's fan relays never burn out.

Thanks for the offer an your help, appreciate it an you Gas Man

 

[Ermintrude]

Doh. Pcb will fit 105 and alpha 240 I think?

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

80 eco board wont fit a 105 ,however a 105 pcb fits a 105 HE

 

[JAH HEATING]

Don't know the inns an outs, but baxi went out Tuesday an the last I heard they had fitted 5 parts an still not working.

The only old part I left in was the board, managed to send the board back which helped

scared me for life that one

 

[JamesyGoosey1]

Did you find out what happend jan? I went to one yesterday fireing up for minute and half and dropping out only pump runs does it on hot water and heating divertor clear plate clear gets red hot on the flow comeing down nothing hardly leaves the boiler it's a head scratcher!

 

[buckley plumb]

we all get jobs like this from time to time don't let it get to you mate

 

[JAH HEATING]

I'm not sure what got fitted, but 9 parts in total

 

[mountainman]

we all get jobs like this from time to time don't let it get to you mate

Very true!

 

[JamesyGoosey1]

I'm thinking it's got to be main heat exchanger blocked and can't shift the heat quick enough

 

[lame plumber]

and you get the easy ones, 105he, cycling on and off, wandered up to it, pushed the ionisation lead on properly where it had slipped off when the custard had been poking around and wrote out a bill for a not unsubstantial sum 🙂

 

[JamesyGoosey1]

Just a quick update the thermistor was all out of range replaced it and worked like a dream!