Back boiler without gas fire

[diamondgas]

When I asked Baxi about using the fire without the boiler I got a reply similar to reg man's example. The problem was that they refused to supply me with written confirmation.
To me that's enough for me to decline doing it. Those fires look **** anyway so stop being tight and fill the gap with a £99 electric inset.

all down to personal preference IMHO ... I love the LFE baxi brought out G3 and beyond I think they're known as, barouque, something like that? ... Does what it's supposed to do, give out heat and look a bit like a living flame fire!

Anyhoo's I would leave it attached without any qualms provided it passed neccesary tests 🙂

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

I love the way in the baxi statement it says the gas cant be capped to the bbu and still supply the fire, they obviously dont know their own product

 

[Ermintrude]

You can also keep the fire and make the boiler redundant by leaving in place, but you must cap off and remove the boilers gas valve.

What about leaving boiler open or drilling the block. No one wants a pressure cooker!

 

[Reg Man]

Could you leave the BBU connected and have some way of cooling it by connecting it to the new system (presuming a new ch system has been installed) or a rad in the a/c or something when required. The boiler could then be tested on service? Bit of a crap way of doing things, but if the customer was adamant the fire front couldn't be replaced it would get round the problem.

Definitely not The fire and the BBU go together. Remove the fire a the BBU is then unsafe.

 

[johnnyplumb]

Sounds like a litigation expert wrote that johnnyplumb ... As far as I am concerned both appliances work independently of each other and together when required on the same flue.... designed that way and used that way throughout the length and breadth of the country! If a custard decided to use only the fire for the duration of their life in that property they'd be safe ... Likewise if they chose to use the boiler for the duration they'd also be as safe! Why else would it be designed to be used independently and together? Alas folk are just getting scared and so use words that will not incriminate themselves ... IMHO 🙂

compensation culture we live in nowadays i'm afraid, everywhere you look ppi this , have you been injured at work, no win no fee , etc, etc
i'am not surprised with there reply, just what you would expect, covering there @rse

 

[johnnyplumb]

Sorry Johnny, Worked directly with Baxi with this one in conjunction with CORGI at the time, when I was a regulator in the industry. A CORGI Technical Bulletin was published at this time with regards to using the gas fire on a redundant back boiler. Baxi may have changed their view on this now, but the guidance was given in the 1990's and agree it is not an ideal situation but does not make it unsafe if you cap off properly and it passes all the statutory checks. Common sense used, because you don't have to have the BBU on if you use the fire under normal conditions. The reason for capping the boiler gas valve, is to prevent any risk of the BBU firing up when its not connected to the water side of the heating.

best to do what baxi says though imo,
it would be difficult to explain at an inquest, why you ignored manufacturers instructions, lawyers are not interested in common sense :yesnod:

 

[Reg Man]

best to do what baxi says though imo,
it would be difficult to explain at an inquest, why you ignored manufacturers instructions, lawyers are not interested in common sense :yesnod:

Does a home owner ever use their gas fire with the BBU turned off?

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

What about leaving boiler open or drilling the block. No one wants a pressure cooker!

why would you want to drill out a hex in a redundant Bermuda?go back and think about what you just said its not solid fuel ,my take on its the same as steve and steve or diamond gas and regman to the rest of you riff raff

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

best to do what baxi says though imo,
it would be difficult to explain at an inquest, why you ignored manufacturers instructions, lawyers are not interested in common sense :yesnod:

they have changed there mind again now and reverted back to the TB reg man was referring too

 

[Ermintrude]

why would you want to drill out a hex in a redundant Bermuda?go back and think about what you just said its not solid fuel ,my take on its the same as steve and steve or diamond gas and regman to the rest of you riff raff

Belt and braces. If anything changed and cast was not able to vent it would get messy. What if and idiot lit fire in catchment space or a fire dfe was badly fitted into space? If I can't remove hex it always gets drilled. Just I was thought that the next person may not be as sensible so be sure what you leave is bomb proof!

 

[johnnyplumb]

they have changed there mind again now and reverted back to the TB reg man was referring too

they'd need to change the boilers installation instructions or it wont mean a jot,
regs have'nt changed

 

[Reg Man]

[h=1]TB 98 March 2000 Combined Appliances[/h]

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Combinedappliances are available in various formats including: -

§ Fire/Back Boilers
§ Fire/Back Circulators
§ Warm Air Heaters withIntegral Circulator

Wherea combined appliance is designed to allow sections to operate independently itshould only be used in the form as intended by the manufacturer and strictly inaccordance with the manufacturers instructions and recommendations.


[h=2]Fire/Back Boilers[/h]
Fire/back boilers shouldonly be used as a complete unit and under no circumstances should the combinedappliance be used with either the fire or back boiler unit removed. If the backboiler unit becomes redundant but the customer still wishes the use the firefront, the advice of the manufacturer should be sought. Continued use of a gas fire is allowed, providing the boilers gas components have been removed and the gas supply to the boiler sealed off. Additionally The gas fire must pass all statutory appliance safety checks.

 

[arran197]

Definitely not The fire and the BBU go together. Remove the fire a the BBU is then unsafe.

I don't think you understood what I was saying, leave both in place and only light the bbu up for service.

 

[Reg Man]

I don't think you understood what I was saying, leave both in place and only light the bbu up for service.

OH' Yes I didn't read your post properly. Now I have, Why would you want to do this? You can use the fire without the boiler being turned on. The boiler will never over heat with the gas fire on, the boiler will never get hot because all the boilers gas valve components and burner have gone. Just leave it and service the fire as normal when required.

 

[Reltub]

What is all this tripe about 'compensation' etc. as long as the boiler has been properly capped off and the fire passes all tests, what the hell could possibly happen as a direct result of capping the boiler!? So much BS flying around people lose sight of COMMON SENSE.