Nelson Mandela R.I.P

[SafeGasInstall]

for what he achieved in a lifetime, a lot of people should be very grateful. Comparing him to Adams and their motley crew is an insult to someone like Mandella, so would it be possible to leave that out of it now please

please explain what has he achieved ? I am not winding you up just interest as I am not informed what exactly he has achieved .

 

[lame plumber]

He took a country that treated anyone who wasnt white as a non person and bought equality to all! If thats not an ahchievement I dont know what is

 

[jefaz]

But he still killed numerous innocent people. Ask their families if he's a hero!?
i don't have to leave it out as it's how I feel and I'm sorry to say how it is

 

[lame plumber]

But he still killed numerous innocent people. Ask their families if he's a hero!?
i don't have to leave it out as it's how I feel and I'm sorry to say how it is

well best you keep your feelings to yourself at this time then

 

[kay-jay]

He took a country that treated anyone who wasnt white as a non person and bought equality to all! If thats not an ahchievement I dont know what is

Not really.

Depends on your notion of equality.
All the end of apartheid brought was that one couldn't segregate and marginalise black people. Didnt really achieve much in the experience of many s.africans as the white ruling class simply switched from playing the race card to adoption of an economic model which saw poor people segregated and marginalised based on opportunities or lack thereof for the low income.

The status quo was largely (and still is) maintained in townships across s.a as the poot are also black.

The underclass are simply labelled peasants and not k.......'s and n.......'s

 

[SafeGasInstall]

well best you keep your feelings to yourself at this time then

Why isn't this a free forum ? And everyone can say what they want , or not

 

[lame plumber]

One would hope that a bit of respect is due to some one like Mandella, which is sadly lacking in this free country of ours that also has children turning upto to school with no shoes or coats, according to my daughter who teaches in Hackney at the moment.

 

[jefaz]

well best you keep your feelings to yourself at this time then

Not really! When thatcher died did people not say derogatory things about her?
Bin Laden was killed and I didn't see persons quoting him online,and unfortunately that's what Mandela was,he was essentially a terrorist,the same as Bin Laden. He did turn things around after but like I say if you kill numerous innocent people you can't be redeemed in my eyes. It's my opinion,one which I'm entitled to,I'm not being racist or speaking out of turn IMHO

 

[rpm]

For the younger generation amongst us it started as the "whites" ruled the country and the "non-whites" were the scum and as such there was strict rules and the two were not allowed to mix in the same place in any shape or form. The goverment said It was simply them and us and we are better, stop and search was nothing compared to what was going on, punishment was harsh and brutal and there was no appeal as such.

Then people got together and their action was to attacked goverment buildings and establishments with minor related deaths but as always some deaths did occurr and the world started to notice. The people demonstrating were outlawed and went underground before being rounded up and arrested for treason and it all kicked off. Mandela didn`t start it he simply voiced his opinion and people listened and his name spread, he was a man that had forsight and forgiveness in him that eventually lead to the country being where it is now.

Yes this is a boiled down version but thats how it all started.

 

[jefaz]

Almost 30 years ago on the 20th of May 1983 a bomb exploded in Church Street in Pretoria, planted by the Marxist ANC terrorists, killing 19
innocent civilian people and injuring 217.


The bombs were authorized by Communist scum Oliver Tambo and Joe Slovo and had the blessing of Nelson Mandela himself.


There were applause and cheers of joy and support from all around the world for the ANC.


Sorry but the hypocrisy is sickening.


A small reminder, ANC... just a few of your own "dastardly" and "despicable" work...


1981 - 2 car bombs at Durban showrooms


1983 - Church Street Bomb (killed 19, wounded 217)


1984 - Durban car bomb (killed 5, wounded 27)


1985-1987 - At least 150 land mines on farm roads (killed 125)


1985 - Amanzimtoti shopping centre bomb (killed 5 people, including 3 children)


1986 - Magoo's Bar bomb (killed 3, wounded 69)


1986 - Newcastle Court bomb (wounded 24)


1987 - Johannesburg Court bomb (killed 3, wounded 10)


1987 - Wits command centre car bomb (killed 1, wounded 68)


1988 - Johannesburg video arcade (killed 1 unborn baby, wounded 10)


1988 - Roodepoort bank bomb (killed 4, wounded 18)


1988 - Pretoria Police housing unit, 2 bombs (wounded 3)


1988 - Magistrate's Court bomb (killed 3)


1988 - Benoni Wimpy Bar bomb (killed 1, wounded 56)


1988 - Witbank shopping centre bomb (killed 2, wounded 42)


1988 - Ellis Park Rugby Stadium car bomb (killed 2, wounded 37)


Late 1980s - numerous Wimpy Restaurant bombs (killed many, wounded many)


And people wonder why???????


Just something to think over....


Terrorism at it's most brutal

 

[jefaz]

Some of those 'minor killings'
they weren't government buildings...note the death of an unborn baby!!

 

[rpm]

Noted you started at 1981

 

[jefaz]

Noted you started at 1981

That's when I was born 🙂

 

[rpm]

Then I`ve almost got 30yrs on you :bigcry:

 

[lame plumber]

you forget why they did what they did it seems, if the chinese ran this country and whites were treated like the blacks in s africa I for one would act in the same way as Mandella. when you make your comments, you dont seem to realise the reasons and actions were born of desparation.

 

[jefaz]

No I do!!! But why kill innocent people? Why bomb arcades,restaurants and shopping centres?
Why kill innocent people out of desperation?
there should be no excuse for doing that!! Children and unborn children?? Howay man...there isn't an excuse you could even dream up that would make that sound ok to any human being!
there is no way you can phrase it in away that I would find acceptable.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

If they had problems with government why not atack government members them self ? Was not that hard back in the days "they" even took Keneddy down

 

[lame plumber]

you would be best to read into the history in a bit more detail to understand the whys and wherefores, its not as simple as a few bombs as you make out. the bbc politised version currently playing gives a slight insight into the whole picture.

 

[nicro3]

Agree with lame on this one, a great man has passed away and some are trying to belittle his effect on freeing the black majority and giving them the chance to have a say in their destiny. And just for the record heres another historical terrorist George Washington first President of the USA

 

[marvoni]

Quite a thread.

Rest in peace Mr Mandela.