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Customer wants to make some changes, drawing below is of one part of house. The utility and kitchen with bedroom and bathroom above is a barn conversion, garage and remainder of house which is to the right was added when the barn conversion was done. It is not to scale but to give an idea the garage holds at least 3 cars with plenty of elbow room.

Problem one, the owners want to move the utility area from its current location to the location indicated, there is no waste in the new location. I can only think of 2 solutions, one is to put in new underground waste pipe from back of new utility area, go around garage and across parking area to pick up main waste pipe from house to septic tank. The tank is about 30 meters from the house and the ground slopes down from the house to the septic tank. Second option is a sanivite, run the pipe up the wall then through into old utility area and around and down to join into the old utility waste. The pipe could be easily boxed in. Any thoughts or other ideas?

Problem two, the owners would like a water softener sited where the asterisk is. I would need to maintain a fresh water supply at the kitchen tap so a new pipe would have to be routed to the kitchen tap from the rising main. Problem is I cannot find where the kitchen supply comes from, there does not appear to be any boxed in sections around the kitchen sink units where the pipes drop down from above. The pipes are all behind the units so I cannot see where they go. Where the rising main comes up it goes straight up the wall to under the floor of the bedroom above and then to the rest of the house, it is boxed in but the boxed in section is quite large for one pipe. It is possible that a hot pipe runs back down this boxed section and then along with a cold spur it runs under the floor to the kitchen sink. There is a gas pipe near this location that runs under the floor to the cooker. If they do run under the floor from here then it will not be a problem, but if everything is upstairs then it involves a lot more disruption. Any ideas would be appreciated.




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Hi Mick where you have the boxed part showing new utility is it not possible to run pipes ( hot cold and waste 22mm sani ) up the back of the wall and tie into pipes feeding the bathroom ( providing its carpeted) over to stack, or is the distance to much
 
I mean youl find a hot n cold near cyl above, and carry waste over to vent pipe with a strap on under the floor, i know its easy saying but needs must,,
 
As for the cold coming in cant you see an isolation outside that would give you an idea of where it enters the premises,, if not use to bits of 10mm earth bonding as dousing rods im no takin the **** as ive a set in the van and they work for me ,,
 
Hi Mick where you have the boxed part showing new utility is it not possible to run pipes ( hot cold and waste 22mm sani ) up the back of the wall and tie into pipes feeding the bathroom ( providing its carpeted) over to stack, or is the distance to much

Discharge on a Sanivite should be 32mm not 22mm.
 
Problem with waste to soil stack, first there is a bath in front of the soil stack so no access in bathroom, in addition i think the joists run the wrong way and as the sanivite is 32mm waste and needs a fall it would be difficult to fit. Did think that I could take it to loft above and feed into soil stack above, would need to do a bit more investigation.

If I connected the softener to the rising main then all water would be softened, I need to maintain a non softened supply for drinking water in the kitchen so I would need to spur off the rising main before the softener and then run this to the kitchen tap. If the supply to the kitchen tap from the rising main runs under the floor then this is not a problem, the cold supply would already spur off the rising main and I connect the water softener after this to the main. However if the kitchen tap is fed from above I need to find where it drops down to the kitchen, as there is another bathroom and a cloakroom downstairs then I think it would involve a lot of disruption just to find out where all the pipes go. I would then need to feed a new pipe from before the softener up to under the bedroom above, then under the floor to where the cold supply drops down to the kitchen, disconnect the existing pipe and cap and connect new supply pipe. I just need to let the customer know what sort of disruption they could expect if they wish to go ahead.
 
If it helps with your survey the Vite can go 5m vertical but I never go past 4.5m and needs a minimum 10mm per metre fall to the stack but only use one when you have no option.
 
Hey mick does it have to be a sany vite can you not get a 22mm one as sani have loads of options but if not then an angled drill and holesaw ( sharp) just remember that nothing easy
 
Mick maybe inside the cylinder cupboard one of the pipes going right up through into attic will be the rising main , cant you tee into that and run it from there back to utility that way only utility is softened,,, ive never fitted a softner or seen one but i realise you guys use them all the time ,
 
Can you take the run external then pop it back in for the internal stack?

Problem here is that the wall behind the bathroom is next door, it is the boundary. Behind the new utility area and the garage there is a gap but then it juts out and becomes the boundary wall. In addition the boxing for the soil stack can be seen in the bathroom although as I said it is not accessible because of the bath. I expected to see the boxed section in the corner of the kitchen below but there is nothing there so I do not know where it goes from the bathroom.

At the end of the day I do not expect to get the job, the owners said there is no problem as there is a waste pipe just the other side of the wall from the new utility area and I think they expected me to use this. However i pointed out that this is a rainwater pipe to a soakaway and couldn't be used, I think they will get plumbers to give quotes until they get one who will put the waste into the rainwater pipe. They will get somebody eventually.
 
Mick maybe inside the cylinder cupboard one of the pipes going right up through into attic will be the rising main , cant you tee into that and run it from there back to utility that way only utility is softened,,, ive never fitted a softner or seen one but i realise you guys use them all the time ,

Just having softened water in the utility area would not be a problem, but a bit of an expensive option just to have softened water for the washing machine. May as well just change the washing machine when required.

The sanivite is designed specially for utility rooms to handle the soapy water from washing machines in addition I think all the others have a hole for the toilet.
 
The sanivite is designed specially for utility rooms to handle the soapy water from washing machines in addition I think all the others have a hole for the toilet.[/QUOTE said:
Glad some people recognise this Mick.
 
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