6129 TC'S Going?

[fuzzy]

With the 6129 qualification being stopped this summer 😱 (so we are told?) and replaced with a diploma that requires people to be employed as a plumber such as in the old style aprenticeships. How do you suppose this will affect

1 - The whole plumbing and gas sector
2 - The new people wanting to be plumbers who dont have jobs?

Seems to me like a major change, do you agree with it?

Is it 😡 or 😀

 

[charliejamesuk]

I believe all City & Guilds qualifications are transferable. So if at some point you wish to continue & complete NVQ2 after your 6129 then this will not be a problem.

Tiny bit of info is on the C&G site (I would post link but you need 20 posts of more to do this 😡):

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!

 

[fuzzy]

I believe all City & Guilds qualifications are transferable. So if at some point you wish to continue & complete NVQ2 after your 6129 then this will not be a problem.

Tiny bit of info is on the C&G site (I would post link but you need 20 posts of more to do this 😡):

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!

there is talk of there being a bridging task to uprade 6129's to the diploma in future. The problem is nobody can do a 6129 next year, it has finished. There will be no Tec Cert to sign on to

 

[andyg0507]

firstly i think by them doing this the overflood of people trying to become plumbers will stop.

as far as people who havnt got a job, as i am led to belive you can still do the course but you will not be able to complete the full qualifacation(as said in a previous post).

also my tutor has told me that the first part( health and safety) will be EXACTLY same as sparkys,joiners,brickies so if you felt after youd started a course in plumbing that its not what you want, you could move over to another field.

as i say, and as i always say, this is from my tutor so please dont take my word for it as i dont know the full extent of whats happening nyself yet(wish i did).

 

[joe brown]

your tutors correct andy. They are doing it in modules now and there are 3 modules that can be crossed between trades, So once you have passed thses modules and decide to change trade you still have them.

At my college the tutor explained that the 6129 ends in september but they enrol in august therefor this year people can still do the 6129.

When it changes it will be the same thing with a different name, You do not have to be in employment but you wont be fully qualified unless you are. The new diploma is without the lead, well its optional and much deeper than in the 6129.

people who complete the 6129 level 2 will be able to enrol on the new look diploma level 3

 

[malc]

anyone know what all this means to someone who last year completed 6129,and now has only a bathroom instal left to complete nvq2 ?

 

[andyg0507]

im pretty sure the new framework doesnt start till september, so as long as you can get your bathroom install in before then you should be o.k.

have you got it lined up?

 

[malc]

no not yet.

 

[andyg0507]

like i say im pretty sure the new framework starts in september, best advice i can give is have a word with your tutors/assesor and see what they say, they will probably give your more info than me.

but to be honest i would hope that if thats all youve got to do they would sort something for you, as there's no way you would have to go back through the whole process, good luck, and keep us updated.

 

[joe brown]

anyone know what all this means to someone who last year completed 6129,and now has only a bathroom instal left to complete nvq2 ?

It doesnt matter because you are still on the 6129 , My 6129 doesnt end until 2011 and there is another year that ends in 2012.

Because you are on it you get to finish it. everyone that enrols before september will get to do the full course even if they enrol on august 31st.

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

sorry to seem thick whats a 6129 tcs? i done level 3-4 donkeys years ago

 

[joe brown]

sorry to seem thick whats a 6129 tcs? i done level 3-4 donkeys years ago

6129 city and guilds technicle certificate

 

[fuzzy]

Hi Lads.

You have a bathroom install left? isnt that the 6129 anyway and not the NVQ? The NVQ being work on site?

Yes, you can still do the course when it changes to a diploma this summer but you will not fully qualifiy unless you are employed. Are people willing to pay 5k and not get a qualificiaiton? The goverment do not pay for courses unless people can come out with a piece of paper so they wont pay unless your an apprentice

If your signed up on the 6129 you will have a couple of years to finish it, i dont really see the point as it is old news now and not worth much in its on right but it is when upgraded to an NVQ or DIPLOMA. If you can do this it means your employed, if so do the DIPLOMA

 

[macplumb]

You should be ok if you are already enrolled you other levels.
When the craft cert ended and the tech cert came in there were fist year students who were worried they had done a year for naffall but what happened was they carried on the craft cert qual till the end of level 3. All it ment is if you enroll in sept you will be on the deploma if you have already enrolled for level 2&3 and nvqs 2&3 you will carry on. But I stress you need to be enrolled because once it changes that's it no more enrolment and you could be stuck with half of a qual and strugle to het on the new format because of how it will work. Or you might not struggle they may make it easy.
That's my view anyway.mac

 

[fuzzy]

You should be ok if you are already enrolled you other levels.
When the craft cert ended and the tech cert came in there were fist year students who were worried they had done a year for naffall but what happened was they carried on the craft cert qual till the end of level 3. All it ment is if you enroll in sept you will be on the deploma if you have already enrolled for level 2&3 and nvqs 2&3 you will carry on. But I stress you need to be enrolled because once it changes that's it no more enrolment and you could be stuck with half of a qual and strugle to het on the new format because of how it will work. Or you might not struggle they may make it easy.
That's my view anyway.mac

i am told that with a 6129 L2 you will not be able to go to diploma L3 without a conversion or bridging module which will be site based. Therefore once again without a job you are stuck at level 2. You need a job to complete L3 diploma anyway ?

No point places running the course for non employed, they wont get funding or a qual from what i gather

 

[Jamie Banks]

Hi Guys,

Just a quick one I am due to go to southampton this weekend for my practicals - so will be with my tutor's if there are any issues or question please let me know and I will ask the questions and get back to you

Jamie

 

[fuzzy]

Hi Guys,

Just a quick one I am due to go to southampton this weekend for my practicals - so will be with my tutor's if there are any issues or question please let me know and I will ask the questions and get back to you

Jamie

Thats would be great. Try and ask if all we hear about what is going on is accurate as there seems to be little info out there.
What will they run when the 6129 runs out? They may say they can still run it for now, Yes thats true but it will go very soon regardless, what are the plans then?

Thanks

 

[Jamie Banks]

Ok fuzzy

Will do and will get back to you might be a week as I am down there for the week with no computer

 

[fuzzy]

Ok fuzzy

Will do and will get back to you might be a week as I am down there for the week with no computer

Thanks.

i think people need to know the 6129 is going and i believe its because too many have trained as 6129 only and not ugraded to the nvq which industry recognise as the qualification. therefore by changing it it stops people doing a TC only

 

[andyg0507]

its as youve stated in a previous post fuzzy, when the new framework starts you can do the course regardless if you have a job or not, but if you dont you will not be able to gain the full qualifacation, wich in turn should cut the numbers down.

good thing or a bad thing????????

 

[fuzzy]

its as youve stated in a previous post fuzzy, when the new framework starts you can do the course regardless if you have a job or not, but if you dont you will not be able to gain the full qualifacation, wich in turn should cut the numbers down.

good thing or a bad thing????????

What college or private centre will run a course that does not lead to a qualification?
Who would want to go on such a course?
who would pay for units but not a qualificiation?

I suggest very few, when theres no demand, shops shut down that line, i presume all but major city colleges or centres will do the same.

this is as it stands and if we hear is true?

 

[andyg0507]

as i am led to belive fuzzy from my tutors that is the case,

as is the case now, you can do the tech cert but if you dont do the nvq its not classed as a full qualifaction.

there isnt going to be a change in the way you do the course, just that everything will be included into one, where as now its diveded into two.

like ive always said, and always say, if you have better info, or know better than please post to advise us all.

 

[fuzzy]

I have shared what i know about the changes. I dont think people appreciate the changes the new quals will bring about. people seem to be playing it down. It will have a massive affect

 

[andyg0507]

i personaly appreciate the changes, as it it stands at the moment every cat and his dog are doing the 6129, theres people on my course who have absoulotely no chance of getting into the trade or any trade, but are doing the course(funded by the goverment) just to get some d.i.y knowledge, im not knocking these people but there has to be a line drew somewhere. And it will have a massive affect on people wich i toatally agree, for many years the plumbing qual has been the same, so a shake up of the way it's taught/deliverd, and what it consists of are going to be a whole new world.

 

[macplumb]

Last registration date for 6089 and 6129 is 31 December 2010.
Last certification date for 6089 and 6129 level 2 is 31 December 2012.
Last certification date for 6089 and 6129 level 3 is 31 December 2013.

This is from c&g web page hope it helps

 

[andyg0507]

cheers for that macplumb, much appreciated🙂

 

[fuzzy]

Those registration dates are put back to dec incase the new qual isnt ready. therefore if the new qual is ready in sep thats the one people will go on. its like a safety net. They have to have a long certification date as it is unfair for someone to start a course and not be allowed to finish. so if you start the 6129 you will continue past this sep

 

[rfvpatlttp]

This has been pull straight from the ATL website regarding their training course.

[DLMURL="http://www.apprenticeshiptraining.co.uk/plumber-course/"]ATL Training for Trades :: Plumber Course[/DLMURL]

Note regarding the City and Guilds 6089 NVQ:

Having attained the technical certificate in *module 1 and 2, you will be able to attain the C&G 6089 NVQ. In order to take the NVQ you will need to be working for a plumbing or heating contracting firm. If you’re going self-employed, but you still wish to obtain your NVQ level 2 and 3 then subject to availability we may be able to provide you with sufficient work experience. Please ask for details.



Plumber
leading to NVQ level 3

*Module 1 – Plumbing Foundation

This module has been designed to give you an introduction to the Plumbing industry and the role of the Plumber in the construction and mechanical services sectors. It will give you a thorough grounding in plumbing principles and technologies and is the essential underpinning knowledge and stepping stone for those wanting to gain full Plumbing professional status by attainment of the NVQ. In this module you will learn simple pipework techniques and tackle typical sanitary tasks. At this point in your study you will be limited to working under supervision with a plumbing company.

Topic areas

Health & Safety Plumbing Science Practical Application Plumbing Systems Regulations in the MES section Simple pipework installation Sanitary accommodation installation, maintenance and design

Outcomes

City & Guilds 6022 Copper Pipe-work installation Certificate
BPEC – Water Supply (Water Fittings) Regulations 1999
City & Guilds 6032 Sanitary Accommodation Installation Maintenance and Design Certificate
LOGIC Legionella Prevention Certificated
Construction skills certification scheme (CSCS) health & safety card.
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*Module 2 – Plumbing Intermediate

Upon successful completion of the Plumbing Intermediate Level, you will have attained several industry recognised qualifications including the City & Guilds 6129 Technical Certificate at Level 2 and the City & Guilds 6089 NVQ Level 2. On successful completion of the comprehensive practical training you will also be able to register as an approved contractor with your local authority under the BPEC Water Regulations scheme. As a NVQ level 2 plumber you will hold an industry recognised qualification proving your competence to work on domestic plumbing installations in an employed or self-employed capacity.

Topic areas

Non-complex central heating systems Non-complex hot water systems Basic electrical principles relating to heating system components Installation and maintenance of plumbing systems Customer relations Drainage and guttering Sheet lead weathering systems.

Outcomes

City & Guilds 6129 Technical Certificate Level 2
City & Guilds 6089 NVQ level 2
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Module 3 – Plumbing Advanced

The Plumbing Advanced Level of the course will see you acquire six further qualifications; in addition to advanced plumbing systems and skills this module will see you gain knowledge and practical skills in gas and electrical systems too. Having completed the course, as an NVQ level 3 advanced craft plumber you can work alongside a qualified gas installer and gain sufficient experience to meet the minimum entry requirements for the gas accreditation scheme. Following ACS accreditation and sufficient on-site hours you will be eligible to apply to become a registered gas installer.

Topic areas

Gas systems and supply Gas appliance installation and servicing Complex central heating systems Complex hot water systems Domestic electrical installation works relating to plumbing & heating engineers Solar powered domestic hot water heating systems Shower Installation

Outcomes

Part P Defined Scope electrical qualification
Unvented Hot Water Storage Systems - LOGIC Certificated
Logic certificated Solar powered domestic hot water heating systems
City & Guilds 6084 Energy Efficiency Certificate
ATL Shower Installation certificate
City & Guilds 6129 technical certificate level 3
City & Guilds 6089 NVQ level 3
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[fuzzy]

Sorry mate but what does this tell us?

 

[fuzzy]

Ok fuzzy

Will do and will get back to you might be a week as I am down there for the week with no computer

anyone any update?

 

[andyg0507]

spoke to my college tutor on tuesday, he is going to an official meeting regarding the course/s for next year/september so as soon as i know i will let you know.

 

[fuzzy]

spoke to my college tutor on tuesday, he is going to an official meeting regarding the course/s for next year/september so as soon as i know i will let you know.

Has he been Andy, anyone else any new updates? Seemed to have gone quiet with all this.

Also , the message dont seem to be out there. the number of people who have come on here saying they are doing a tech cert next year!

 

[andyg0507]

no fuzzy he's due to go at the start of may, and once he's been he will know the outcome 100%, but the way he keeps on talking i think he already knows the outcome, wich is that the 6129 will be no more and the new course with nvq included will be put in place. so if you have no work place recorder than you cannot complete the whole qualifaction.

 

[arhplumbheat]

What about people who have completed the tech certificate but not started the nvq level 2. Should i try and get started with my nvq or wait? what is best?

 

[fuzzy]

What about people who have completed the tech certificate but not started the nvq level 2. Should i try and get started with my nvq or wait? what is best?

we dont know yet mate

 

[hiretools]

When are we going to find out Fuzzy, Im due to do my short course this month and have my 6129 by june shall i enrol now to avoid the change or what m8.

 

[fuzzy]

When are we going to find out Fuzzy, Im due to do my short course this month and have my 6129 by june shall i enrol now to avoid the change or what m8.

if you are not employed in the sector you cannot do a course after this summer (if the new courses r ready that is) so it may be your only option to get a start if you sign straight away. if your signed on a course u can carry on with the course. just new entrants

 

[adrianfs1]

your workplace recorder will be your assessor on the day, thats if you are self employed though.

 

[fuzzy]

still need a college based assessor

 

[REDSAW]

still need a college based assessor

you can employ these for the day tho cant you.

 

[fuzzy]

no reason why not i suppose

 

[adrianfs1]

sorry i thought andyg0507 was attending college

 

[fuzzy]

did u enrol hiretools?

 

[Centurion1]

I am a little concerned with regards the 6129 cert that I am currently enrolled onto with and studying at OLCI Manchester on a part time basis. I have completed 2 of the workshops already and am due to sit the first assessment shortly. Is this qualification going to be worth anything at the end of the course or will it be a waste of 5.5K Would I be able to claim anything back?

 

[fuzzy]

I am a little concerned with regards the 6129 cert that I am currently enrolled onto with and studying at OLCI Manchester on a part time basis. I have completed 2 of the workshops already and am due to sit the first assessment shortly. Is this qualification going to be worth anything at the end of the course or will it be a waste of 5.5K Would I be able to claim anything back?

its a good qual for learning the skills but it isnt industry rcognised. you need the nvq2 at least for that, they may charge more for that. i think 5.5k is alot for a basic unrecognised qual but its your money

 

[adrianfs1]

i think you paid 5.5 k for the 6129 TC and the 6089 nvq 2 if so yes carry on, get the TC out of the way and and then go on to gain your nvq 2. this is the minimal qual.

 

[fuzzy]

privately tech certs are available until december this year, so if your paying full cost you can still do the qual this year

 

[jpemberton]

I have just E-Mailed C&G customer relations. As follows:-

Hi, I'm starting a 6129 C&G level 2 in plumbing in September.
There seem to be rumours in the industry that this qualification is being phased out and i'm worried that it will be worthless in the future. Is it being replaced by a diploma? If so what will this mean for me?
Thanks in advance.
Regards
James Pemberton

They said they will reply within 2 days......will let you all know what they say!

 

[fuzzy]

thye will say, if this is at a private training provider, no problem. if its a college and you want to pay full cost no problem. if your expecting funding and you are starting in sep then you may not get to start, if it goes ahead as i am told then the funding for 6129 will stop in july this year. it dont matter if you pay full cost though, you have until decemebr 30th to start, and 18months to finish

 

[jpemberton]

thye will say, if this is at a private training provider, no problem. if its a college and you want to pay full cost no problem. if your expecting funding and you are starting in sep then you may not get to start, if it goes ahead as i am told then the funding for 6129 will stop in july this year. it dont matter if you pay full cost though, you have until decemebr 30th to start, and 18months to finish

This was their reply:

"this only affects new candidates, so you will not be affected in any way".

And that's it! Very Helpful! Not
😱

 

[northstar]

hi does anyone know when the college tutors are meeting with city and guilds to decide what is going on with 6129 replacement ? thanks

 

[jpemberton]

hi does anyone know when the college tutors are meeting with city and guilds to decide what is going on with 6129 replacement ? thanks

End of May/Start of June....apparently.

 

[fuzzy]

there no replaemnt for the 6129 mate, only the 6089 called the 6189
no tech cert replaceemnt only an nvq replacement

 

[jpemberton]

there no replaemnt for the 6129 mate, only the 6089 called the 6189
no tech cert replaceemnt only an nvq replacement

How did you find this out?🙂

 

[fuzzy]

its on the C&G website mate, been open news for 12 months

 

[fuzzy]

heard today that they may extend the funding for the current quals until december

 

[northstar]

Heard from who ? thanks

 

[fuzzy]

Heard from who ? thanks

what difference would it make? ive heard they have requested the funding to be extended and ill know in a month or so

 

[andyg0507]

i rang my college tutor today to get an update on the new course,

he has told me he is 98% sure the new framework wich we have all heard about will come into play in september, but until the goverment take there fingers out there a**e nothing STILL is certain.

on the funding side of things at my college there will be no funding for the course, unless you are in/on an approved apprenticeship.

also my college will not be doing a full time course only day realease course.

as always once i get more info i will post on here to let you all know.

 

[fuzzy]

i rang my college tutor today to get an update on the new course,

he has told me he is 98% sure the new framework wich we have all heard about will come into play in september, but until the goverment take there fingers out there a**e nothing STILL is certain.

on the funding side of things at my college there will be no funding for the course, unless you are in/on an approved apprenticeship.

also my college will not be doing a full time course only day realease course.

as always once i get more info i will post on here to let you all know.

cheers andy, is that a big change for your colege? which is it?

 

[andyg0507]

yes its a big difference, for as long as i can remember theres always been a a full time course, and with the other courses now not being funded leaves me in a prediciment(couldnt spell it if i tried) ive already forked out to start my gas course in september at a cost of £800, then after ive completed that there's £1500 + for my core and appliances, so whilst im getting regular gas work with the bloke im working with and someone who's teaching me the ropes do i stick with the gas course, and continue the plumbing next year, or just go for the plumbing, cant realyy do both cause it will cost me over 4k in total😕

 

[fuzzy]

yes its a big difference, for as long as i can remember theres always been a a full time course, and with the other courses now not being funded leaves me in a prediciment(couldnt spell it if i tried) ive already forked out to start my gas course in september at a cost of £800, then after ive completed that there's £1500 + for my core and appliances, so whilst im getting regular gas work with the bloke im working with and someone who's teaching me the ropes do i stick with the gas course, and continue the plumbing next year, or just go for the plumbing, cant realyy do both cause it will cost me over 4k in total😕

many people on here have said they are already on a 6129 from sep this year, not sure whats gonna happen there!!!!

 

[jpemberton]

many people on here have said they are already on a 6129 from sep this year, not sure whats gonna happen there!!!!

The 6129 tc and 6089 nvq are being replaced by curriculum qulaification framework (cqf) called the 6189. I have spoken to C&G at length about this and they said that the new 6189 is still in the development stage, and people will still be able to enrol on either the 6129 or 6089 until december 2010. People who start the 6129 will have 2 years to complete the course, and then instead of going on to do the 6089 nvq, they will start the new 6189 level 2. The new 6189 will be split into levels 1 and 2. Level 1 will be for people who have not done the 6129 tech cert and level 2 for people who have either 6129 level 2 or 6189 level 1.
As the new 6189 is a framework based qualification, anybody who has done the 6129 will have already covered all the framework modules of the new 6189 level 1, and will go on to do level 2 which is an nvq.

To do the new 6189 level 1, you do not need to be employed.
However to continue onto the level 2 you need a work placement.

Under the current set-up, a person can do the 6129 level 2 and then legally work as a plumber. With the new 6189, if you only do the level 1, which is basically the same as the current 6129, you will not be able to work in the industry.
The idea behind this is to stop people just doing the 6129 and then setting up on their own without doing the NVQ, with very little or no experience and a very basic qualification.

As for funding for the 6129 starting this September.....I don't know.

 

[fuzzy]

The 6129 tc and 6089 nvq are being replaced by curriculum qulaification framework (cqf) called the 6189. I have spoken to C&G at length about this and they said that the new 6189 is still in the development stage, and people will still be able to enrol on either the 6129 or 6089 until december 2010. People who start the 6129 will have 2 years to complete the course, and then instead of going on to do the 6089 nvq, they will start the new 6189 level 2. The new 6189 will be split into levels 1 and 2. Level 1 will be for people who have not done the 6129 tech cert and level 2 for people who have either 6129 level 2 or 6189 level 1.
As the new 6189 is a framework based qualification, anybody who has done the 6129 will have already covered all the framework modules of the new 6189 level 1, and will go on to do level 2 which is an nvq.

To do the new 6189 level 1, you do not need to be employed.
However to continue onto the level 2 you need a work placement.

Under the current set-up, a person can do the 6129 level 2 and then legally work as a plumber. With the new 6189, if you only do the level 1, which is basically the same as the current 6129, you will not be able to work in the industry.
The idea behind this is to stop people just doing the 6129 and then setting up on their own without doing the NVQ, with very little or no experience and a very basic qualification.

As for funding for the 6129 starting this September.....I don't know.

sorry mate but this post in inacurate

the 6189 is level 2 and level 3, there is no 6189 level 1 at all.
the new course is not a framework, a framework refers to an apprenticeship framework and includes functional skills along with the main qualification. It is however to be a unitised qual which is part of the new QCF as opposed to the old NQF it is replaceing. The 6189 wil be called a diploma but will probably still include the acronym NVQ so people recognise the brand. people with a 6129 level 2 can go onto the new 6189 level 3 if they complete the 2 on site units at level 2 first.

the issues are not around the registration dates of the qual but the funding, that is the key element

 

[andyg0507]

got a meeting with one of my tutuors in the morning regarding funding for the said course, ile get as much info as possible for everyone and post 2morrow evening.

 

[moore]

im at a crucial stage myself too chaps, done both tecs 2/3 - (over 3 yrs at college)most of way through nvq2.....need to learn if therell be an nvq3 to go on to (got to get this done as im self employed- so no sponsored diploma for me!) - so ill be following the news from your meeting andy - cheers moore

 

[andyg0507]

hi lads well had the meeting with the tutor and bascially the new framework will come into play in september as ive stated before, and the day release course will get funding as will people in apprenticeships, this is at my college so dont know about others, also there will be no full time course at my college, the reason for this being to many people start the course and cant finish it due to not having work based evidence.

i did ask about funding regarding other colleges and from what he knows it should be the same across the board.

hope this helps.

 

[fuzzy]

i was told that the only courses are the diplomas which need you to be employed or at least get on site eveidnece to complete. without it you fail and therefore you cannot get funding for a course you cannot pass. this pretty much does away with all full time courses and leaves only apprenticeships

 

[andyg0507]

yes your right fuzzy, thats what i was implying (i think) been a long day, airlock hell😡

just to ad fuzzy its not only apprenticeships wich are eligible for funding, as long as you have an employer you should be ok.

thats what ive been told anyway mate

 

[fuzzy]

yes your right fuzzy, thats what i was implying (i think) been a long day, airlock hell😡

just to ad fuzzy its not only apprenticeships wich are eligible for funding, as long as you have an employer you should be ok.

thats what ive been told anyway mate

if you have an employer you will be put on an apprenticeship, regardless of age

 

[andyg0507]

not strictly true fuzzy, you do not need just to be on an apprenticeship to get on the course, i for one am not on an apprenticeship and wont be when i start the course in september, i am self employed but have constant work with a gsr/plumber wich enables me to start the course.

 

[fuzzy]

not strictly true fuzzy, you do not need just to be on an apprenticeship to get on the course, i for one am not on an apprenticeship and wont be when i start the course in september, i am self employed but have constant work with a gsr/plumber wich enables me to start the course.

oh i see, i would still consider it an apprenticeship of sorts as you will get the sam etraining and evidence from the process

 

[andyg0507]

yes when you look at it that way ur right🙂

 

[plumbitp]

This is all quite confusing. Does anyone know what will happen if I join a 6129 course before december? Can I complete the whole course and carry out domestic plumbing legally after if I dont manage to find an employer for the NVQ 2?

 

[fuzzy]

once registered on a programme you are ok, december is the last date of registration not completion.
you dont need anything to be work as a plumber 6129 or nvq. to be a plumber the industry recognises nvq3 as the main standard

 

[plumbitp]

Thanks fuzzy. So say I completed 6129, where would I go from there as I'm not sure wether NVQ2 will still even exist?

 

[fuzzy]

you can do the new nvq, may have to do a bridging unit

 

[Duncan]

I was getting a load of contradictory info about the changes to the courses from my local colleges so I emailed C&G. Here’s the reply I got:


Thank you for contacting City & Guilds Customer Relations.

The new 6189 is a hybrid qualification that combines both the technical certificate and the NVQ. It consists of: knowledge based units assessed by GOLA, combination units assessed by GOLA and in-centre practical tasks and work based units, assessed by portfolio of evidenced and a project.

Therefore, in order to achieve the full qualification the learner will have to pass also the work based units.

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[fuzzy]

the work based units are effectively the NVQ and the other stuff the 6129, as they say its basically combined the 2, is this better?

 

[Jamie Banks]

Think once 6129 has finished then only apprentice route open - maybe bridging course to get on to diploma but wont be distance learning or part time

 

[andyg0507]

just a bit of an update for anyone wanting to know about the 6129.

had a 2 hour disscussion with the head of department tonight and to cut a long story short, the last registration date for the nvq(6089) has changed from the 31st of december 2010 to the 31st march 2011, there will be no way you can transfer what you have already done onto the new diploma(6189) so if you havnt got employment or someone with the correct quals there is no way you can complete the full level 2(6129&6089) or be accepted onto the new diploma which i am told will begin in january, also just to add the 6219 will be officially scrapped in june 2012 regardless of if you have finished the course or not.

hope this helps.

andy.

 

[Jamie Banks]

Andy

Heard roughly the same but think there may be bridging courses or something to help people who are half way through. Either way think the training providers will be severly hit as also any new course offered will have to be validated and be what people want.

 

[fuzzy]

not heard bout the registration being extended for the nvq? very odd, they run hand in hand

 

[andyg0507]

the tutor said last night that this was solid infomation, the last reg date for the nvq is 31st of march not the 31st of december, and there will be no bridging unit whatso ever, if you cant complete the nvq side of things you will have to start the diploma from scratch.

if i hear any more i will let you all know.

 

[coltheplumb]

Hi All , well as i understand things.....the 6129 will still run untill 2012 but no new registrations are being taken, so if you are on this one you will have time to complete it . The full NVQ 6129 & 6089 are still being enrolled untill march 2011 and will run for the full length of the course i.e 2 years . im sure the same rules will remain in force for the 6089 ( you have 5 years to complete this from date of registration) so i am quite sure that if you only have the 6129 and get employed before march 2011 you will still have time to complete this . I know there are lots of plumbers signing up with colleges at the moment with just the 6129 rushing to get their 6089.
Colin

 

[fuzzy]

does anyone have a link to the new registration dates for the nvq please?

also, it was my understanding that you would be credited with your 6129 units against the new diploma, if this is now not the case it is a big big decision by summitskills!

 

[andyg0507]

fuzzy, when i go into college ile have a word with the tutor and ask him if he will allow me to post the info he recieved from summit skills/ city & guilds.

from what he said the other night summit skills are being very petty regarding the 6129&6089 and if it was up to them they would of scraped all together and just rolled out the new course, but things aren't always that simple as we all know.

 

[fuzzy]

the qual should have been out by now, thats not summitskils problem thats the awading bodys, ie C&G's. they get the criteria and then write the course. it is their fault they are behind, but trying to blame somebody else

 

[fuzzy]

[DLMURL="http://www.cityandguilds.com/48700.html"]December 2009: Plumbing (6089 and 6129)[/DLMURL]

this is the only info i can find on the registration dates?

 

[northstar]

Hi fuzzy where about up north are you ? i heard the same thing the 6129 is going to run until march 2011 from my college tutor.

 

[fuzzy]

yes it will run until 2011 but your mixing up registration dates and certification dates. obviously the certification date has to give time for people to acheive who have been registered. so the first date we must note is the registration date which as far as i am still aware is december 2010, the certification dates i think are 18months for the 6129 and 3 years for the 6089, but no NEW candidates can register

 

[fuzzy]

anyone give me a link to the new registration dates posted, i stil cannot find proof

 

[andyg0507]

fuzzy i am just waiting to get the info off the college tutor and will post on here, there is nothing on the websites regarding this issue as yet, what my tutor has is an update to trainning centres and colleges from city &guilds, as soon as i get it ile post for you 2 see, but from a students point of view we have to with what the tutors are telling us if that makes sense.

 

[fuzzy]

i saw an update today on the guilds website, said they are taking registrations until Marhc, still unclear if its funded till march, presume it is. for colleges it makes little diference as most groups start in september, theyll have to run the new one then anyway

 

[Marcus92]

So forgive me but are you saying that there is no point me signing up to a 6129 in the next few months as by time i complete it i will not be allowed to go self employed.
Also obtaining the 6089 will no longer be possible even though a mate who has a plumbing company was going to give me some work so i could complete my assessments.
I don't want to fork out 5k+ for nothing.

 

[fuzzy]

you may be able to use the 6129 to contribute towards the new diploma if your mate takes you on.

why does getting a 6129 or not have to do with going self employed? the 6129 isnt a full qualificTION BUT MEANT TO BE A STEPPING STONE TO THE NVQ. hit caps lock! you can go self employed plumbing with no quals

 

[Marcus92]

I have spoke with Trade Qualified and they say the 6129-02 / 6022 & 6032 are being incorporated into one, these are all part of the PPC2 offered by them so your coursework etc will all change with it.
Should i still go with these i have seen various other threads/posts where people have said the paperwork was not complete, whereas others have raved about it, i suppose you get good and bad in everything i just don't want the bad. I am close to starting so advice is really important whether to go with them or not, they have even invited me to their workshop to see where i would be doing my in house training ATL in southampton, which can't be a bad thing.

 

[fuzzy]

dont know the 6022 and 6032, sound like the pipework copper tube courses that are not full quals anyway. what i think they mean is that the 6129 and 6089 is being merged inot one diploma. you still need work to get through and yes this will come into affect from November although registration on old/current courses are valid until April 2011 and you have about 2 years to complete.

Hope this helps you mate, anything else i can help with?

 

[Marcus92]

dont know the 6022 and 6032, sound like the pipework copper tube courses that are not full quals anyway. what i think they mean is that the 6129 and 6089 is being merged inot one diploma. you still need work to get through and yes this will come into affect from November although registration on old/current courses are valid until April 2011 and you have about 2 years to complete.

Hope this helps you mate, anything else i can help with?

The 6022 is Domestic Copper Pipework Installation and the 6032 Sanitary Accommodation Installation Maintenance & Design, they are being combined with the 6129-02 L2 Tech Certificate into one.
This is all ok if you want to be self employed but i agree you need to be employed to do the 6089 NVQ Level 2, which if i am right is being incorporated into a Diploma with the first mentioned qualification.
What that means to the 6129 on it's own i don't know.
Apparently it will still be recognized as a pre requisite should you want to go on and do the Diploma at a later date.

 

[fuzzy]

6032 and 6022 will probably be part of the 6129 anyway so dont see how they are merging them, sounds like they are just dropping all 3 along with the NVQ to make the diploma