6129 TC'S Going?

[fuzzy]

its as youve stated in a previous post fuzzy, when the new framework starts you can do the course regardless if you have a job or not, but if you dont you will not be able to gain the full qualifacation, wich in turn should cut the numbers down.

good thing or a bad thing????????

What college or private centre will run a course that does not lead to a qualification?
Who would want to go on such a course?
who would pay for units but not a qualificiation?

I suggest very few, when theres no demand, shops shut down that line, i presume all but major city colleges or centres will do the same.

this is as it stands and if we hear is true?

 

[andyg0507]

as i am led to belive fuzzy from my tutors that is the case,

as is the case now, you can do the tech cert but if you dont do the nvq its not classed as a full qualifaction.

there isnt going to be a change in the way you do the course, just that everything will be included into one, where as now its diveded into two.

like ive always said, and always say, if you have better info, or know better than please post to advise us all.

 

[fuzzy]

I have shared what i know about the changes. I dont think people appreciate the changes the new quals will bring about. people seem to be playing it down. It will have a massive affect

 

[andyg0507]

i personaly appreciate the changes, as it it stands at the moment every cat and his dog are doing the 6129, theres people on my course who have absoulotely no chance of getting into the trade or any trade, but are doing the course(funded by the goverment) just to get some d.i.y knowledge, im not knocking these people but there has to be a line drew somewhere. And it will have a massive affect on people wich i toatally agree, for many years the plumbing qual has been the same, so a shake up of the way it's taught/deliverd, and what it consists of are going to be a whole new world.

 

[macplumb]

Last registration date for 6089 and 6129 is 31 December 2010.
Last certification date for 6089 and 6129 level 2 is 31 December 2012.
Last certification date for 6089 and 6129 level 3 is 31 December 2013.

This is from c&g web page hope it helps

 

[andyg0507]

cheers for that macplumb, much appreciated🙂

 

[fuzzy]

Those registration dates are put back to dec incase the new qual isnt ready. therefore if the new qual is ready in sep thats the one people will go on. its like a safety net. They have to have a long certification date as it is unfair for someone to start a course and not be allowed to finish. so if you start the 6129 you will continue past this sep

 

[rfvpatlttp]

This has been pull straight from the ATL website regarding their training course.

[DLMURL="http://www.apprenticeshiptraining.co.uk/plumber-course/"]ATL Training for Trades :: Plumber Course[/DLMURL]

Note regarding the City and Guilds 6089 NVQ:

Having attained the technical certificate in *module 1 and 2, you will be able to attain the C&G 6089 NVQ. In order to take the NVQ you will need to be working for a plumbing or heating contracting firm. If you’re going self-employed, but you still wish to obtain your NVQ level 2 and 3 then subject to availability we may be able to provide you with sufficient work experience. Please ask for details.



Plumber
leading to NVQ level 3

*Module 1 – Plumbing Foundation

This module has been designed to give you an introduction to the Plumbing industry and the role of the Plumber in the construction and mechanical services sectors. It will give you a thorough grounding in plumbing principles and technologies and is the essential underpinning knowledge and stepping stone for those wanting to gain full Plumbing professional status by attainment of the NVQ. In this module you will learn simple pipework techniques and tackle typical sanitary tasks. At this point in your study you will be limited to working under supervision with a plumbing company.

Topic areas

Health & Safety Plumbing Science Practical Application Plumbing Systems Regulations in the MES section Simple pipework installation Sanitary accommodation installation, maintenance and design

Outcomes

City & Guilds 6022 Copper Pipe-work installation Certificate
BPEC – Water Supply (Water Fittings) Regulations 1999
City & Guilds 6032 Sanitary Accommodation Installation Maintenance and Design Certificate
LOGIC Legionella Prevention Certificated
Construction skills certification scheme (CSCS) health & safety card.
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*Module 2 – Plumbing Intermediate

Upon successful completion of the Plumbing Intermediate Level, you will have attained several industry recognised qualifications including the City & Guilds 6129 Technical Certificate at Level 2 and the City & Guilds 6089 NVQ Level 2. On successful completion of the comprehensive practical training you will also be able to register as an approved contractor with your local authority under the BPEC Water Regulations scheme. As a NVQ level 2 plumber you will hold an industry recognised qualification proving your competence to work on domestic plumbing installations in an employed or self-employed capacity.

Topic areas

Non-complex central heating systems Non-complex hot water systems Basic electrical principles relating to heating system components Installation and maintenance of plumbing systems Customer relations Drainage and guttering Sheet lead weathering systems.

Outcomes

City & Guilds 6129 Technical Certificate Level 2
City & Guilds 6089 NVQ level 2
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Module 3 – Plumbing Advanced

The Plumbing Advanced Level of the course will see you acquire six further qualifications; in addition to advanced plumbing systems and skills this module will see you gain knowledge and practical skills in gas and electrical systems too. Having completed the course, as an NVQ level 3 advanced craft plumber you can work alongside a qualified gas installer and gain sufficient experience to meet the minimum entry requirements for the gas accreditation scheme. Following ACS accreditation and sufficient on-site hours you will be eligible to apply to become a registered gas installer.

Topic areas

Gas systems and supply Gas appliance installation and servicing Complex central heating systems Complex hot water systems Domestic electrical installation works relating to plumbing & heating engineers Solar powered domestic hot water heating systems Shower Installation

Outcomes

Part P Defined Scope electrical qualification
Unvented Hot Water Storage Systems - LOGIC Certificated
Logic certificated Solar powered domestic hot water heating systems
City & Guilds 6084 Energy Efficiency Certificate
ATL Shower Installation certificate
City & Guilds 6129 technical certificate level 3
City & Guilds 6089 NVQ level 3
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[fuzzy]

Sorry mate but what does this tell us?

 

[fuzzy]

Ok fuzzy

Will do and will get back to you might be a week as I am down there for the week with no computer

anyone any update?

 

[andyg0507]

spoke to my college tutor on tuesday, he is going to an official meeting regarding the course/s for next year/september so as soon as i know i will let you know.

 

[fuzzy]

spoke to my college tutor on tuesday, he is going to an official meeting regarding the course/s for next year/september so as soon as i know i will let you know.

Has he been Andy, anyone else any new updates? Seemed to have gone quiet with all this.

Also , the message dont seem to be out there. the number of people who have come on here saying they are doing a tech cert next year!

 

[andyg0507]

no fuzzy he's due to go at the start of may, and once he's been he will know the outcome 100%, but the way he keeps on talking i think he already knows the outcome, wich is that the 6129 will be no more and the new course with nvq included will be put in place. so if you have no work place recorder than you cannot complete the whole qualifaction.

 

[arhplumbheat]

What about people who have completed the tech certificate but not started the nvq level 2. Should i try and get started with my nvq or wait? what is best?

 

[fuzzy]

What about people who have completed the tech certificate but not started the nvq level 2. Should i try and get started with my nvq or wait? what is best?

we dont know yet mate

 

[hiretools]

When are we going to find out Fuzzy, Im due to do my short course this month and have my 6129 by june shall i enrol now to avoid the change or what m8.

 

[fuzzy]

When are we going to find out Fuzzy, Im due to do my short course this month and have my 6129 by june shall i enrol now to avoid the change or what m8.

if you are not employed in the sector you cannot do a course after this summer (if the new courses r ready that is) so it may be your only option to get a start if you sign straight away. if your signed on a course u can carry on with the course. just new entrants

 

[adrianfs1]

your workplace recorder will be your assessor on the day, thats if you are self employed though.

 

[fuzzy]

still need a college based assessor

 

[REDSAW]

still need a college based assessor

you can employ these for the day tho cant you.