Boiler choice: Ideal or Vaillant

[digger36]

Moved into a 1920 5 bed detached and are replacing the whole plumbing and heating system.

I had decided on a Vaillant Ecotec Plus 837 combi boiler.

Having discussed this morning at a couple of local plumbers merchants they mentioned an Ideal Vogue 40.

The Ideal is about £230 less than the Vaillant, although money isn't the driver, reliability and performance is.

Id a lot of consultancy work for housing associations who previously used Ideal boilers ad ha no end of problems, although I appreciate hosing associations never specified the best of course due to the cost.

So my question is:

Vaillant Ecotec Plus 837 or Ideal Vogue 40

Thank you in advance

 

[Unregistered]

Apologies for spelling and grammar mistakes. Not used to the wife's laptop keyboard!

 

[Masood]

Vogue all day long.

Ideal used to have a lot of problems with their previous generation of boilers but a very different picture now.

The Vogue is THE premium domestic boiler nowadays IMO.

 

[Ray Stafford]

I had a similar choice, and opted for the Vogue. Haven't regretted it yet, and the 10 years warranty gives serious peace of mind.

Every installer has his favourites, but I have yet to meet someone who has actually installed a Vogue, and not been impressed. As Masood says, it right up there with the best of the premium products.

Thats not to say that the Vaillant isn't a class product, because its also very good.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I had a similar choice, and opted for the Vogue. Haven't regretted it yet, and the 10 years warranty gives serious peace of mind.

Every installer has his favourites, but I have yet to meet someone who has actually installed a Vogue, and not been impressed. As Masood says, it right up there with the best of the premium products.

Thats not to say that the Vaillant isn't a class product, because its also very good.

10 year warranty isnt worth the paper its written on unless its a brand new system and flushed from new

 

[Masood]

10 year warranty isnt worth the paper its written on unless its a brand new system and flushed from new

Total nonsense. Warranty applies on all components, not just water-carrying ones. I had a failed gas valve on an Independent, and was offered an engineer visit next day, or a replacement valve. New one was couriered to me same day, arrived before 9 next morning, no questions asked.

That's top-notch customer service and installer support.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Total nonsense. Warranty applies on all components, not just water-carrying ones. I had a failed gas valve on an Independent, and was offered an engineer visit next day, or a replacement valve. New one was couriered to me same day, arrived before 9 next morning, no questions asked.

That's top-notch customer service and installer support.

thats fine but my post was down the road of heat exchangers etc

 

[Matt06]

Why not fit an Unvented and system boiler rather than a Combi ?

I don't understand why every one wants a combi, fair enough for small properties but this is a 5 bed house 2+ bathrooms ?

 

[Masood]

thats fine but my post was down the road of heat exchangers etc

Yeah, but 10-year warranty is on the whole boiler! 🙂

In any case, even on old systems, if you flush properly, check TDS and turbidity and add enough inhibitor, manufacturers will honour the warranty. You only need to get within 10% of mains. Just need to remember to top up inhibitor at the 5-year service... 🙂

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Yeah, but 10-year warranty is on the whole boiler! 🙂

In any case, even on old systems, if you flush properly, check TDS and turbidity and add enough inhibitor, manufacturers will honour the warranty. You only need to get within 10% of mains. Just need to remember to top up inhibitor at the 5-year service... 🙂

yea but with old rads its the same after a year or two ive had a few that have tried to wiggle out of warrenty's

 

[Stanios]

I thought Ideal had 7 year warranty, or is that just Logic?
Vaillant went from 7 up to 10 recently

 

[Ray Stafford]

I thought Ideal had 7 year warranty, or is that just Logic?

Logic is 2 years warranty
Logic PLUS is 7 years
Vogue is 10 years

 

[Stanios]

Logic is 2 years warranty
Logic PLUS is 7 years
Vogue is 10 years

Understood. Vogue is quite a trendy name for a boiler 🙂

 

[kozak1968]

Didn't do Madonna any harm!

Understood. Vogue is quite a trendy name for a boiler 🙂

 

[Masood]

Didn't do Madonna any harm!

Now there's a proper old boiler!

 

[julesverne]

Ive found ideal tip top on warranty call outs. only happened a couple of times but come out. Ive even got them out free of charge once to fix an old faulty isar for a poster on the forum . Baxi pain in the arris tried to blame me so stopped fitting em.

 

[Riley]

Ecotec Pro 7 years
Ecotec Plus 10 years

 

[Whyme]

If it's got a 10 year warranty then go for whatever letter of the alphabet you fancy. There all a much of a muchness now it's only engineers who prefer this that or the other.

 

[antdad]

Why not fit an Unvented and system boiler rather than a Combi ?

I don't understand why every one wants a combi, fair enough for small properties but this is a 5 bed house 2+ bathrooms ?

Cos they're easy to install 😉 Is the Vogue system boiler as highly regarded as their combi's seems to be?

 

[Riley]

Fitted a couple of vogue systems seem equally as nice and easy to work on