gas cooker

[gaspastemania]

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[CES]

argue it with gas safe then ,
a hob is a hob not cooker hence name hob !!!
like i said been told it from the horses mouth so to speak !

I dont need to, Its in the standard that is available on their website. You might want to check it out, what would you class an gas oven as then?

 

[Simon F]

GSIUR reg 2 par 22 definition of work, "but the expression does not include the connection or disconnection of a bayonet fitting or other self-sealing connector."
this is as said only to be understood for the short term, such as removal for cleaning behind.

 

[gaspastemania]

I dont need to, Its in the standard that is available on their website. You might want to check it out, what would you class an gas oven as then?

i dont need to ,like i said inquired to gsr about fitting hobs, passed my reg as you do and they gave me all clear good enough for them good enough for me .

 

[gaspastemania]

GSIUR reg 2 par 22 definition of work, "but the expression does not include the connection or disconnection of a bayonet fitting or other self-sealing connector."
this is as said only to be understood for the short term, such as removal for cleaning behind.

Nice to see its clear as crystal as per usual ,,,talk about sitting on the fence.

 

[Barry98]

Nice to see its clear as crystal as per usual ,,,talk about sitting on the fence.

did you expect anything different like 🙂

 

[CES]

i dont need to ,like i said inquired to gsr about fitting hobs, passed my reg as you do and they gave me all clear good enough for them good enough for me .

So you are fitting gas hobs without CKR1? It would be interesting to know Gas Safe's logic behind this, especially when it comes to gas hobs which can be fitted with flexible hoses.

 

[gaspastemania]

have on site yes , my own works no as cant be bothered to bum about for £50 .hence why never bothered with cooker ticket .

 

[CES]

I fit them for IKEA installers, get £100 a pop and was always told I needed my CKR1 hence why I'm a bit taken aback by Gas safes response.

 

[heliotrope]

I have been posting on this type of forum long enough to know that there may be
others that might know better and plenty that know little ready to shoot me down
in flames if I get it wrong.

I try not to post unless I am sure I can back up what I say for this reason.

GSIR Reg 6(3) Any person who disconnects a gas fitting shall, with the appropriate fitting, seal off
every outlet of every pipe to which it was connected.

Guidance to this regulation goes on to say ..................A self- sealing coupling, eg on a cooker connection,
does not need to be capped off, ....................

It also goes on to say that ................However, it should be checked that any disconnected coupling is
is not leaking gas ..................

 

[gaspastemania]

£100 a pop aint bad by any shout , you sure they dont ask for ckr1 as its contract work??

As for gas safe nothing suprises me with them as last time i rang tech help i got told off for not having my viper book with me which i left at home and ended with no answer for my query.
I'm sure i questioned the hob scenario with gas safe due to a floating kitchen worktop if memory serves correct gave him my reg i.d and said hob has to be rigid not on flex (which i altready knew) but wanted confirmation.Asked if i could fit it and was told yes due to pipework.

 

[CES]

Id be careful mate, if anything were to happen they would probably deny ever telling you anything.
Nah I was asked what Id be working on and just sat the relevant tickets, never even questioned it, especially as it covers hobs in the assessment.

 

[tamz]

Heoliotrope is correct. There is no requirement to cap off an unused bayonet connection. It may be considered good practice but there is nothing anywhere saying it has to be.

And regardless of what someone at gas safe said, you need a ticket to fit hobs. Not because it is hard to do but you need to be aware of the clearances and ventilation.

 

[gaspastemania]

Regarding the original post a occupant of house can connect /disconnect at will ?

 

[heliotrope]

Regarding the original post a occupant of house can connect /disconnect at will ?

Yes. It is not deemed 'gas work'

 

[gaspastemania]

o.k so on re-connection your surely breaking into the gas supply which is deemed as gas work??
How does that equate ?
Cust cant take boiler cover off for e.g as its classified as gas work by gsr but has not broke into a gas supply yet can push a fitting into a live gas supply ,,,,,,,one word 'joke'

 

[tamz]

A gas poker may be a better example of something that is plugged in and out of a bayonet fitting a lot more regularly than a cooker hose.
Imagine having to phone a gas guy every time you lit the fire.

 

[gaspastemania]

What am getting at is hypocracy of it all , your basically being told you can plug into bayonette yet cant be trusted to ptfe cooker hose , test,gas,rate etc etc etc ,yet can put all pipe work in , do boilers , do service on fire , open flued appliances ,ventilation blah blah blah but incompetent to ptfe a cooker hose because dont have a licence !!

 

[fuzzy]

Dont you have to be gsr to do this anyway??

not to disconnect a cooker, not classed as 'work'

 

[fuzzy]

You can do hobs without cookers , your basically tho installing a cooker if your connecting hose to bayonette, so an owner will be doing illegal work

if a customer disconnects, cleans behind and re connects they have done nothing wrong

 

[REDSAW]

i suggest this conversation taken over to the gas safe forum where all are invited, providing you are registered?.

 

[fuzzy]

you sure redsaw? we are debating who can do it, if anyone can disconnect a cooker why should it be offered only to gsr?

 

[gaspastemania]

not saying they have but saying the hypocracy of it all

 

[fuzzy]

i dont see it hypocritical

 

[gaspastemania]

I do think its ridiculous that they are basically saying that your capable at everything else for e.g but you dont have a cooker cert they are saying your not capable of ptfe'ing a hose !!
Mi's will tell you about ventilation /clearances plus you do ventilation on your ccn1 , failing that just blast a 4 inch core througf the wall .