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I think we can agree that Shaun meant that some engineers aren't registered to work in gas outside of their employment hours. While he said qualified instead of registered, it was obvious what he meant.
Hi Everyone, thanks so much for all the great information.
It is pretty much how I thought things should work.
It seems that he would be legitimate if:
1) He is Gas Safe registered in his own name (I need to see and check his ID for this!)
2) He provides an invoice for the work in his own name.
3) He registers the boiler (How would I check this?).
As I said in the OP, I have already told my Step mother that I would not recommend using someone doing a foreigner but I wanted to make sure I was not discounting a perfectly legitimate tradesman who is legally allowed to do the work on his own time just because it sounded dodgy. Now I have the facts.
It is pretty much how I thought things should work.
It seems that he would be legitimate if:
1) He is Gas Safe registered in his own name (I need to see and check his ID for this!)
2) He provides an invoice for the work in his own name.
3) He registers the boiler (How would I check this?).
As I said in the OP, I have already told my Step mother that I would not recommend using someone doing a foreigner but I wanted to make sure I was not discounting a perfectly legitimate tradesman who is legally allowed to do the work on his own time just because it sounded dodgy. Now I have the facts.
(3) ask him for proof of registration normally the boiler manufacture emails you saying its reg
also building control registration proof
also if its a combi boiler hows he going to do the boiler plus requirement
also building control registration proof
also if its a combi boiler hows he going to do the boiler plus requirement
which law exactly? The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 state that you must be a competent person to work on gas appliances. The Gas Safe Register is not mentioned in any UK legislation, being on the register is a good way to prove that you are a competent person.
We all know that if you work for a company, then you are covered by there gas safe card. If not, you need your own. Gas safe are the governing body. They dictate who is competent or not. Take it up with them.
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The gas safety (installation and use) regulations 1998 also state that anyone working on gas must be a member of a hse approved class of persons, which currently is the gas safe register.
only competent person scheme atm is gas safe
By this definition there's nothing wrong with his use of the word "qualified".
"having complied with the specific requirements or precedent conditions"
Doesn’t mean he doesn’t have his own
so after asking the relevent questions of the engineer in question:
1. He is qualified.
2. He is GS Registered with the company he works for in his day job.
3. He is not registered separately in his own name.
4. He would carry out the work but under his "good friends" registration 😱!
5. He has done loads of work like this.
6. He doesn't have PL insurance and doesnt believe he needs it. Not that I believe he could get covered in these circumstances anyway.
7. He has never had any issues but is local and would sort out any problems that arose. Including I suppose re-building the house should it burn down, blow up, or flood and invalidate the homeowners insurance.
Obviously I politely passed on this engineer.
Thank you to everyone who provided advice so I could make an informed decision.
Now I am off to do battle with Homeserve to see if I can get them to give me a reasonable quote.
1. He is qualified.
2. He is GS Registered with the company he works for in his day job.
3. He is not registered separately in his own name.
4. He would carry out the work but under his "good friends" registration 😱!
5. He has done loads of work like this.
6. He doesn't have PL insurance and doesnt believe he needs it. Not that I believe he could get covered in these circumstances anyway.
7. He has never had any issues but is local and would sort out any problems that arose. Including I suppose re-building the house should it burn down, blow up, or flood and invalidate the homeowners insurance.
Obviously I politely passed on this engineer.
Thank you to everyone who provided advice so I could make an informed decision.
Now I am off to do battle with Homeserve to see if I can get them to give me a reasonable quote.
1 pass his details on to gas safe and the tax man and maybe his boss.
2 dont use homeserve for your boiler change look on gas safe website to get local businesses and get a few quotes.
Why even bother with HS? Ask around for a recommended reliable independent.
Strong opinion there mate.
in this case i think you are correct, but i don't really understand how someone else can be a competent person then when they leave work suddenly they become incompetent.
In the eyes of the law to be deemed competent you must have a gas safe registration for the work you are carrying out. You are deemed incompetent if you do not have it. If you have it through work but do private jobs without then they will assume that you know you must be registered to work on it and then punish you more for it.
It doesnt matter if you are competent or not if you are not registered then you shouldn't be working on gas.
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Not entirely true. If your doing favours for family or friends and aren't making profit on the work, then you don't need to be registered to legally work on gas.
This isn't about doing an unpaid job for friends or family though. I also dont see how your going to prove you weren't getting paid for it. I have heard the taxman says you owe us this and you have to prove them otherwise obviously with no receipts etc no proof of how much work you have done and I can see gas safe being the same. Obviously they wont do anything just make you join so they can take £200 a year off you.
I think they should remove people for a year or 2 for working outside of their registration first time and if they do it again then remove permanently. Gas safe have the teeth of a slug and people know that.
Installer: Oh I've got caught I will pay the £500 registration fee then.
Gas safe: oh thank you your good to go.
£500,00??
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