Gas Safe Engineers

[Gary71]

Having worked as a Plumber/gas fitter for more years than I care to mention I know how neglectful of their own safety through ignorance people can be. Inform them and they just might do something about it, don't inform them and it usually proves they do not. So proper informed information is a key point in safety.

I love helping people because its nice to be nice but I decide how much information I give them based on my working experiences and witnessing the stupidity of others(at times). It's never been a financial decision which would be silly but a common sense one, I feel I have "duty of care" People never think its going to be them so they take risks. Why would you want to give them the green light to faff with a appliance?


I know how easy it is to make a mistake from my own, the times in the past i'v called back to a job because I couldn't remember if I tested something, I'm not so sure if you can get gasmans paranoia from following instructions on the net.


You mentioned you're a gas fitter I find it strange that your so trusting of others. I don't trust anybody, how many times have you found ventilation blocked in away to fool you, year after year on regular services:mad2: also I remember what it was like before regulation and it wasn't pretty.


Most of the deaths or explosions i'v witnessed have been due to simple mistakes or a moment of stupidity, I don't think any real gas fitter will apologise for being a bit boring or repetitive when it comes to gas safety, so if your not a RGI then jog on.

 

[poorman]

"It's never been a financial decision which would be silly but a common sense one"

Yer right

 

[Gary71]

"It's never been a financial decision which would be silly but a common sense one"

Yer right

Why would that be so hard to believe, it's a bit simplistic to assume it's a money ting, I'm a technician and theres not much money tidying up others faux pars.

Taking in to account the inherent risks with working on gas(albeit minimal in some peoples eyes) how could it ever be deemed safe to work on gas, book or forum led?

Any trade that involves a safety risk should be restricted because it makes it more difficult for those without basic understanding and hopefully prevents them from thinking it's ok to have a pop themselves.

What I do isn't rocket science but mistakes are very easy to make and dangers may not be recognised by the inexperienced.

 

[Sean27]

Can u send the link so I can pass on my gas safe details please thanks

 

[AWheating]

Can u send the link so I can pass on my gas safe details please thanks

hi mate, please send a private message to redsaw or gasman with your details if you want to gain access to the gas safe only forum.

 

[Bernie2]

Hmm! Risk is inherent in life, it is more a matter of trust. You cannot stop people doing things wrong. You can say nothing to them and just let them blow up a few houses just to find out they are wrong if you like. But education and information of the right kind may just divert a disaster for somebody. I often found customer blocked air grills and people who thought it okay to block them. What would you say to them? "Please do not block the grills?" or tell them why they should not block the grills and what size the grill should be?
You guys make it sound like your a car sales person who will not tell the customer where the brakes are in case they press the accelerator pedal. 🙂

 

[Dotty]

Hmm! Risk is inherent in life, it is more a matter of trust. You cannot stop people doing things wrong. You can say nothing to them and just let them blow up a few houses just to find out they are wrong if you like. But education and information of the right kind may just divert a disaster for somebody. I often found customer blocked air grills and people who thought it okay to block them. What would you say to them? "Please do not block the grills?" or tell them why they should not block the grills and what size the grill should be?
You guys make it sound like your a car sales person who will not tell the customer where the brakes are in case they press the accelerator pedal. 🙂

Oh. You're back.

Thought you'd given up on this. Take a friendly word of advice. Give up on this.

 

[solutions]

Hey guys I'll be dealing with the aweful power max 155x. Clients says it doesn't fire up for demand of hot water only.....any ideas!????

Cheers fellas.

Are the customers not getting hot water or is it not firing on hot water just want to clarify as not getting hot water is likely just a duff hot water hex pump. If its not firing it could be a number of things.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Are the customers not getting hot water or is it not firing on ho****er just want to clarify as not getting hot water is likely just a duff hot water hex pump. If its not firing it could be a number of things.

The post you are quoting is 10 months old. Probably sorted by now. 🙂

 

[solutions]

To avoid accidents inform people so they can recognise the dangers. Don't inform them and they can kill through ignorance. Most of the information on this forum can be gained elsewhere if people decide to look. Not being free with advice is just silly makes gas fitters look like a secret society.

In principle I understand where you are coming from however there is a big difference between educating someone about the dangers or risks associated with gas appliances and giving someone instructions on how to undertake a repair over a forum where without experience and training to guide the individual the information could be miss understood missinterpreted or just not followed correctly. A large proportion of modern gas appliances require sophisticated and expensive equipment to conclude repairs or replacement of parts to insure they are both installed and adjusted correctly. Even if a customer had the skills they could not safely complete the job. I would not want to give out information that could cause injury by its interpretation when misused. Despite my underlying desire to help people which is not driven by financial gain.
There are forum's out there on the giant internet where information and frequently misinformation is readily available and shared between individuals unqualified and unsafe to carry out the repair who readily admit they have carried out a repair or more frequently attempted and failed or worse still attempted and created more serious faults.
I wont participate in those forums, You are welcome too.

 

[Ermintrude]

Well if you had blocked the vent then the custard would be getting a lovely bit of paper from a duplicate pad, think AT RISK, switching appliance off and then charging to relight and correct the grill would be all the education most punters need.

 

[solutions]

Not knowing possibly causes more accidents than information. In the gsr industry people seem largely not knowing about safety and do not see the reason for danger until you tell them. But the Gas Safety Register is supposed to help ensure peoples safety but possibly only if they know what they are being kept safe from. If a person thinks getting in a gsr fitter is going to cost them far more that they can afford and they think the job is easy based on not knowing they will probably have a go themselves. That is not promoting safe practices. By giving out information you are warning them as to the dangers, if they then go ahead and still do it, that problem is theirs. You at least tried to warn them it was not simple. Anyway they can always buy Torreys or Viper books they have been available for years to the general public. A GSR fitters job is to promote safety not form a secret club.

When has anyone thought a job was easy because they did not know how to do it. I dont know how to change the cam belt on an engine I dont therefore assume it is easy. I could go on the internet and learn how to do it from some you tube videos and possibly attempt it. Will I have the working experience to feel that something is not right or spot that I have done something wrong or missed something out no. Your analogies are ridiculous and I can no longer see the point in your continued argument. Can you explain to me what you want the outcome from your posts to be? I can save you time typing and inform you if it will happen or not.

 

[Dotty]

He's been given a 2 week holiday for now. See how he views it when he comes back.

 

[SimonG]

He's been given a 2 week holiday for now. See how he views it when he comes back.

Anywhere nice? 🙂

 

[Dotty]

Anywhere nice? 🙂

Somewhere comtemplative I hope.......

 

[solutions]

The post you are quoting is 10 months old. Probably sorted by now. 🙂

Thanks Ray. Really should learn to read the dates on these brought back to life threads.

 

[malone]

hi, need help with a question, open flued appliances has an input rating of 7kw and 70kw gross.
Need to found know how to get this into a single figure!!!


Apparently it is 21!! can someone please tell me how they get this figure..

Hopefully this makes senses...
Thanks, new on here and got know else to ask..

 

[chris watkins]

hi, need help with a question, open flued appliances has an input rating of 7kw and 70kw gross.
Need to found know how to get this into a single figure!!!


Apparently it is 21!! can someone please tell me how they get this figure..

Hopefully this makes senses...
Thanks, new on here and got know else to ask..

Please have a look at what you have typed cos it makes no sense at all.

 

[Toxic Ted]

hi, need help with a question, open flued appliances has an input rating of 7kw and 70kw gross.
Need to found know how to get this into a single figure!!!


Apparently it is 21!! can someone please tell me how they get this figure..

Hopefully this makes senses...
Thanks, new on here and got know else to ask..

Lost me.

 

[malone]

Sorry guys it was a long day!!!
I'm trying to work out the ventilation need to an open flued appliance!! (gross)

I know to get nett I divide gross by 1.11 = net
Then -7(adventitious vent) and x by 5 gives me cmsq

But say if the appliance has a rating between 18kw and 22Kw. How do I get a figure to divide by 1.11???
Or am I missing something!!!

Thanks for reply's