help with powerflush quote

[southcoastboile]

£890!

 

[Killy Bing]

Don't forget congestion charges?

 

[AWheating]

15mins a rad seems short to me, it feels like forever waiting for the tds readings to drop.

i know a lad who powerflushes at an average price between £180 - £250, he does 6-7 a week most of the time and loves it. I dont think hes Gas safe tho so i dont know how he goes about removing the plate hex or attaching to pump in most HE boilers?

i think id price £7-800 with a filter, 2 days work.

 

[jase158]

I use Kamco CF90, I would still charge £350, customer happy, I may get more work and I sleep at night. Even charging £350 I still make way over my usual day rate including chemicals and fuel. The way I see it is don't think about what you could make but think about what you are making. so for instance if I am quiet I will labour for a friend for £50, which is better then staying at home and earning nothing. If I quote £900 because BG quoted £1400, I may loose that job even. so £350 is better then nothing. If somebody offered me £20 quid for a days labour, I would take it, because its better then earning nothing. As things change and I am too busy, then my prices will go up and I will stick to plumbing only, but at the moment beggars cant be choosers.

 

[jase158]

15mins a rad seems short to me, it feels like forever waiting for the tds readings to drop.

i know a lad who powerflushes at an average price between £180 - £250, he does 6-7 a week most of the time and loves it. I dont think hes Gas safe tho so i dont know how he goes about removing the plate hex or attaching to pump in most HE boilers?

i think id price £7-800 with a filter, 2 days work.

That's 15 minutes on the initial flush not the cleaning out process. Kamco recommend 15 minutes. 15 minutes on the initial then go round and clean each rad until it runs clear. (not misty) I need to invest in the TDS meter

 

[Mike Jackson]

add the chemicals 2 x cleaner, 2 x inhibitor. and 2 days labour, add fuel plus £60 towards power flush/ rental and there's your price

With 16 double rads you're not putting enough inhibitor in. Recommendation is 1 bottle does ten single rads so for 16 doubles you're going to want 3 or 4..

Ignoring that looking at your price of £350 take off £60 for hire of machine gives us £290. 4 bottles of fluid, £60, we're down to £230. Two days parking, £74, were looking at £156. Lets be miserly and allow £6 for fuel. That gives us £150 for 2 days labour. Do you really work for £75 a day?

 

[PlumbersMate]

£350 is stupidly low IMO . I'd charge that for 7 rads in a standard home

 

[mutley racers]

looks like i might get this job. think i should buy a machine now. debating between proflush themea or kamco cf90? Leaning more towards the proflush. llike the heater part

 

[mutley racers]

cannot find them 2nd hand at all. cannot actually find a price unless i contact the manufacturer. anyone got a proflush they want to sell???:smile:

 

[jase158]

With 16 double rads you're not putting enough inhibitor in. Recommendation is 1 bottle does ten single rads so for 16 doubles you're going to want 3 or 4..

Ignoring that looking at your price of £350 take off £60 for hire of machine gives us £290. 4 bottles of fluid, £60, we're down to £230. Two days parking, £74, were looking at £156. Lets be miserly and allow £6 for fuel. That gives us £150 for 2 days labour. Do you really work for £75 a day?

Already got machine so wouldn't pay £60 for machine, definetly wouldn't pay £74 for parking, if they want me to do it then they get me a visitors permit and it wouldn't take me 2 days, I would get there at 7.30am and finish at 7-8pm. so total cost is £60 chemicals, £6 fuel, so still making £284 for a long days labour. If I lived in London and had congestion charge, parking etc then my price would go up, but then I expect everyone else in London charges more.

 

[kay-jay]

Just cos you have the machine doesn't mean you don't charge for its hire Jase

 

[mutley racers]

i see from older posts kay jay that you have a proflush. Do you recommend them?

 

[Roger Welton]

I have a proflush and would have another (heater would be handy but I still haven't got one)

 

[mutley racers]

Thanks roger, can you tell me a rough price for these? as i cannot see it any where. looks like it is only the manufacturer who sells them and no price is on the website

 

[Roger Welton]

I got mine second hand but think they are similar in price to cf90, would need to speak to one of their reps

 

[kay-jay]

Got proflush with heater. Its a good machine but where possible i use the heat from a working boiler and the magnacleanse in tandem.
The heater takes a good while to heat up on its own but the flusher is a great machine but larger than most others

 

[Mike Jackson]

Already got machine so wouldn't pay £60 for machine, definetly wouldn't pay £74 for parking, if they want me to do it then they get me a visitors permit and it wouldn't take me 2 days, I would get there at 7.30am and finish at 7-8pm. so total cost is £60 chemicals, £6 fuel, so still making £284 for a long days labour. If I lived in London and had congestion charge, parking etc then my price would go up, but then I expect everyone else in London charges more.

Make your mind up. You said it was two days work in another post. Even if you can squeeze a two day job into one day you should still charge two days money for it, it's you that's going home knackered for the benefit of the customer. you've also got the issue of being cream crackered the next day after a 12 hour day. You can't keep doing 12 hour days without it starting to affect your performance.

What happens when your powerflush machine packs up after you've been not charging for it's use? You've got to replace or repair it out of your own pocket.

IMHO you need to revisit your business model as it sounds to me you're heading towards being a busy fool. Work for a good price and work sensibly. I've done the 12 hour days, 6 days a week before and I'd then spend half of Sunday akip on the sofa because I was knackered. Don't live to work, work to live.

 

[clarky101]

By your plan, would you do a boiler change the same way....in a long day for say £250-300 ? Labour only....

 

[jase158]

By your plan, would you do a boiler change the same way....in a long day for say £250-300 ? Labour only....

Everyone I know does!!! start at 8am and finnish at 5-6pm, straight swaps, don't know there prices though!!

 

[AWheating]

business costs are sometimes hard to account for but need to be considerd for each job. Van costs are many thousands a year alone.

equipment cost need to be factor'd in wether you have rented or brought as it will need replacing or repairing as you go. If you add up the costs of stuff like the machine, hoses and fittings, pump/plate hex adaptors, magnetic filter, tds meter, ph meter, infra red thermo etc.... its very expensive.

can somebody tell me how non gas safe registerd engineers attach there machines without removing the appliance covers on HE models?? Many of these deadicated power flush companies dont employ GSR's from what i can see. The guy who started the biggest national company was not even a plumber.