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hollyoaks777
I am dissapointed in the Joke you make of medicine. I am on numerous medications for my conditions and you're going to get a result tonight. And tomorrow night aswell. Yes I admit it took a while to get it through to me about the Boiler but you have no idea of the fighting it takes to get things done and that is why I wanted to be more than sure that it wasn't a new boiler I needed as once the fighting starts I can't change my mind and say oh I want a new boiler if it was just radiators I was going to fight for, for example. and I can only apologise for that. But again I can't thank everyone enough for putting up with me for that and I just bloody remembered Christmas is nearly here so I can't do the test with the meter. Then again I might not have to. I might not have to fight for anything and to me that is well worth all this toing and froing as stress makes 2 of my major conditions a hell of a lot worse so please hang in there with me until tonight. And for the gas fire test tomorrow. And that's it done and dusted I now know I don't need a new boiler which I wasn't completely sure and radiators migh help a bit. To which I did not know any of so it's not been unfruitful to me quite the oposite and again I am sorry and thank you all for hhanging in there with me. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart!
If your room stat is in the hall, then I would think it advisable to turn the radiator in the living rooms thermostatic valve (if you have one) to a sensible setting of about number 4.
Your room stat in the hall won't control the living room temperature accurately
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I am going to keep it at full mate for the remainder of this test. Thanks again buddy.
Warm is just fine, knock the rad thermostat to 4 or 3 or whatever temp is comfortable without being too hot. What temp do have the hall thermostat and what is the point of "testing" your system at an unrealistically high temp?
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hollyoaks777
I am testing at 21 degrees Celsius as that's what I use mate. At my dinner be back asap.
No point really. No thermostatic radiator valve should be much above number 4. That's going to give a room temperature of approx 24 degrees. If you turn it to number 5 setting the temperature will be about 29 degrees if you want a sauna.
Sounds like he has a programmable room stat, says he cant understand why it turns off, if he cant understand how it works he may be better to get it replaced with a basic RF unit on a stand so he can move it around with him.
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hollyoaks777
Yes But I am better keeping it at that just now. the plumber told me 28. Once I have done the test I will put it down to 4 mate.
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hollyoaks777
No I only know the basics of the thermostat. So yes maybe but I won't get it as they won't give me an extra one for my Bedroom to use when I can't walk. I have been told to use my electric blanket. So no way will I get it.
Setting 18 degree's for a hall thermostat is plenty, set your rad stat to 3 or 4. You'll probably find that's where your extra £20 a month has been going.
http://www.which.co.uk/energy/creat...es/heating-controls---five-money-saving-tips/
http://www.which.co.uk/energy/creat...es/heating-controls---five-money-saving-tips/
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hollyoaks777
Now that would be a result it's a danfoss wireless heating control and is only set to come on above 20 but I must have done something as when I turn it on now it comes on at 20 sometimes. Going to have a look on youtube to see if I can get it on my own. Failing that I will be calling for a heating engineer. And the last one I had didn't have a clue either
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You obviously have internet else I wouldn't suggest this: you may find you can download instructions for your thermostat online if you put in the make and model number and do a bit of hunting.
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Yes I do mate and I am off to hunt. It's danfoss tp50001 I think that's the last model mentioned TP5001+RF
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Stuff what people tell you to set your stat at! Your perception of warmth is different to mine or anybody else's.
For example. I like a cool house, Mrs Croppie doesn't.
Going by what you've said on here I would contact Scottish Power if I were you. They should be only too pleased to help you. If that gets you nowhere get on to environmental health.
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hollyoaks777
1709 is the meter reading at 9:32pm, thanks everyone off to bed my guts are killing me. Oh, I get a sleep tonight. There's one major thing I forgot about my old house. And it is that it did not have a thermostat just a control, with on twice on all day and on. So I don’t know what the temperature was. I just had on twice a day setting and put it on and off whenever I was cold it had 24 hour clock on it, that revolved. So I don’t know if you guys would know what temperature that would be set at!
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With no room stat the temperature is set by the boiler, if it was on twice a day rather than all day as your current system is that'll go a long way to explaining the discrepancy in gas usage from your old place.
Once you've got to grips with the hall stat set it at 18 to begin with and set your rad stats as you require them not what you think they should be. As you admitted you were boiling with TRV set on max therefore try a lower setting.
Once you've got to grips with the hall stat set it at 18 to begin with and set your rad stats as you require them not what you think they should be. As you admitted you were boiling with TRV set on max therefore try a lower setting.
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Yes I could only set it to warm house up in the morning and evening and just used it whenever I wanted in between and after those time mate. I have used 277 units if I am correct today then 1706 to 1709?
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You've used about 3 cubic metres of gas today boiling your butt off, that equates to approx 34kw/h. You can work out from your bill what that is per day.
I think we've worked out why your usage is as high as it is haven't we?
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hollyoaks777
Yes I think everything is OK. Thank God I don't have to fight anymore. You would think that it was coming out there own pocket, the council inspectors that is. I am so tired fighting them. Just got gas Fire to do tomorrow. And then it will be a couple of days in my thermals when they arrive to account for the wastage. But it was worth it as stress makes my conditions worsen and I thank you all from the bottom of my heart for bearing with me. Thanks again.
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Do I have to run my gas fire the whole day. Can I not just calculate by the hour?
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It's what someone asked me to do. Can't remember his name using phone for forum. I don't think he's convinced that you loose 40p in the £1 with fire.
Calculating by the hour will not be as accurate. Your home will need more heat put into it in colder parts of day - like in the evening and especially on a cold start up where it needs to build the heat up in the house.
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You don't need to run it all day.
Put your fire on then go look at your meter, take a reading including the decimal points in m3/hr (or cubic feet per hour if you've got a very old meter)
Time it for 2 minutes then record the reading then.
Then do the same for your boiler.
Come back and tell us what your readings are, what units it's recorded in (m3/hr or ft3/hr), what your tariff per unit is and your calorific value. These last couple will be found on your latest bill.
We can tell you what you're paying per hour then.
Put your fire on then go look at your meter, take a reading including the decimal points in m3/hr (or cubic feet per hour if you've got a very old meter)
Time it for 2 minutes then record the reading then.
Then do the same for your boiler.
Come back and tell us what your readings are, what units it's recorded in (m3/hr or ft3/hr), what your tariff per unit is and your calorific value. These last couple will be found on your latest bill.
We can tell you what you're paying per hour then.
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hollyoaks777
It's at 1710366 been on full for 2 hours reading started at 1709244. Going to do as you suggest just now.
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With Fire on full for 2 minutes start 01710433 after 2 minutes 01710450.
central heating on full 30 degrees 01710550 after 2 minutes 01710644
central heating on full 30 degrees 01710550 after 2 minutes 01710644
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I get 17 for the fire and 94 for central heating on full 30 degrees correct? m3
last 3 digits are red
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Yesterdays full readings were 01706471 and 01709244 last 3 digits red and M3 and temperature was 21 degrees
And that was central heating on for 12 hours.
And that was central heating on for 12 hours.
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hollyoaks777
I don't get bills it's online and I am on standard tariff with Scottish hydro. What's my calorific value?
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Your cv is a measurement that we use to determine how much heat is generated per unit of gas.
It'll be a number somewhere between 38 and 42. I'll take it as being 41.04 as that's what we're using in Northern Ireland.
Even though you're online you should see your tariff per unit.
It'll be a number somewhere between 38 and 42. I'll take it as being 41.04 as that's what we're using in Northern Ireland.
Even though you're online you should see your tariff per unit.
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hollyoaks777
I am bloody hopeless at online billing changing to paper. But I found this. If it helps
The calorific value refers to the amount of energy that’s released when a certain amount of gas is completely combusted under specific conditions throughout the National Grid system.
It’s measured continually and changes a small amount every day, but a typical example of the calorific value is 39.2.
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Guys...those that are trying to contribute in a constructive manner probably realise hollyoakes has more difficulties than most so let's not be too quick to judge and just see if we can help him through this instead of littering the thread with unhelpful and occasionally snide posts.
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hollyoaks777
It's not a windup, give me a break mate. I struggle with my health, I am in constant agony, I bet you're healthy add into the bargain, I have just lost my brother in law and was over playing with my wee niece, who's heartbroken she doesn't have a Dad anymore and is attending counseling. She goes through enough with her spinabifida can't even do her own pee pees or poos. It's heartbreaking to watch. I am entering my fire being on all day reading at 7:50pm. And I would like if you could tell me what the difference is between the central heating and the fire as it might help someone else like me and I will be out of your hair. I don't see what the wind up is I struggle ok. Is that what you want to hear? As I haven't a clue about meters or heating. And as I say it may help someone else like me without being ridiculed they can look at this thread.
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The reason this thread appears a windup is that what ever your state of physical health the questions you ask are both intelligent and perceptive, yet when offered advice you respond with a reason to ignore it and pose another question. With persistence like yours resolving problems through social services and landlord should not be difficult.
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hollyoaks777
OK mate I know I am. I Just want to know the difference betwwen the fire and the central heating. And that the energy company is not ripping me off. And yes I am persistant. I don't get help off anyone. I can't even get an extra wireless heating control for when I can't walk and I have been told just to use my electric blanket. And believe me I pushed all the way for that. I would buy one myself but I don't think it will work. You will know better, the reciever is only single band I think and I think you need a dual band reciever to have 2 wireless heating controls in fact I am going to ask the gas engineer tomorrow when I see him if that is the case. When I get him to set my heating control to come on at 18 degrees instead of 21. I can only apologise about this but I just want to know these things and that's me sorted. Thank you.
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"I don't get help off anyone" this statement really sums it up for me. You DO get help. A lot of help. The constant visits from gas engineers to your property cost money. Not your money tho. The council or social housing will pick up the tab for that. There's people with real issues in dire need of help but due to too many time wasters playing the system they're unable to receive help. If you can't afford it turn it off. It's that simple. How the hell did people survive years ago?! Really boils me this.
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hollyoaks777
Simple soloution for you don't get involved! And where are the constant visits from the gas man???
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He's coming to adjust your stat?! They've got more important things to do. Put a jumper on and get over it man.
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So ignore the advice I have been given on here no way. And that's 1 visit where's the "visits"
Seems you don`t understand karma then but are willing to shout back about it.
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hollyoaks777
Yes I know but for the likes of the days I am able to get up I spend it in the living room that's why I am confused as I thought it would be cheaper just to use fire and the central heating at night to take the chill out the bedroom mate before I go to bed. Correct?
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hollyoaks777
I am putting gas fire reading in. In 5 minutes tell me what is the cheapest and I will be out of your hair
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Meter reading for fire being on 12 hours is 01714554
apart from when I had it do a test a member suggested for 2 minutes the reading for the fire being on 2 minutes With Fire on full for 2 minutes start 01710433 after 2 minutes 01710450.
and central heating on with fire off for 2 minutes was central heating on full 30 degrees 01710550 after 2 minutes 01710644 is the central heating cheaper than the fire overall.
apart from when I had it do a test a member suggested for 2 minutes the reading for the fire being on 2 minutes With Fire on full for 2 minutes start 01710433 after 2 minutes 01710450.
and central heating on with fire off for 2 minutes was central heating on full 30 degrees 01710550 after 2 minutes 01710644 is the central heating cheaper than the fire overall.
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hollyoaks777
I know it's a 30 Kw boiler and was putting out 29.52Kw on the 14/8/15. I don't know what my fire is it's 15 year old mate.
Time to invest in a new more efficient gas fire then, old living flame about 60%, new gas fire about 85 to 90% , if you were going to replace the boiler, then you have the money to invest in a new fire.
Same here almost Tropical ! still he does live in Scotland, maybe better to relocate then he would reduce his gas bill !!
With all the ailments, cold, niece etc etc it might be better to get in touch with the BBC & get Nick Knowles & his crew round....
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What a new living flame is that much more? I thought they were all the same thanks mate. Get one next year sometime.
Don't even know why he is turning his heating on B4 he go's to bed !! He as an electric blanket .
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hollyoaks777
You's know about plumbing but you know nothing about my health conditions and what affects them. Are we really going to get childish.
Yes they are, check on the efficiency rating B4 you buy, I've fitted a Valour fire at home about 3 years ago 89%, no good buying cheep ones from DIY stores, some more efficient than that but then your getting into flue less and that's a different ball game
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Why dont you simply do whatever you want and be happy.
Your clearly confused and if after all this time and input you still arent hearing the advice or getting it, or getting it and then ignoring or what if, what if. But, but, but - then i think you simply need to pay from your own pocket for a professional heating engineer to come at your expense and assess whats best.
This clearly isnt working
That's not fair comment to make , a lot of guys on here have health issues, or know someone who has, but you learn to adapt & get on with life,
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I still don't understand the point of the thread? Have you got an answer? I have. You want the heating on all day and you are moaning because you have to pay for it. You are trying to get into details that are not relevant. The fact is that gas use costs money, Like everything in life unfortunately.
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